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There are issues with lots of cars...and now I've had some issues with the torque converter on my Odyssey. So, reliability-wise, I'm not blown away. That said, the CR reliability reports speak for themselves. And no, they aren't a fluke, or biased against this car or that car. The build quailty of the Chrysler twins is clearly not great--you can tell that just be touching the plastic on the dash.
2004 LX $24,490 2005 LX $25,195 (+2.9%)
2004 EX $26,990 2004 EX $28,195 (+4.5%)
2004 EXL $28,490 2005 EXL $30,495 (+7.0%)
So, doing a straight extrapolation:
2010 LX $26,805 2011 LX $27,585?
2010 EX $29,905 2011 EX $31,250?
2010 EXL $33,405 2100 EXL $35,745?
This is a rough guess, they may try to hold the line on prices if the economy stays slow, they may keep the LX under $27k so it looks better, who knows? You won't be getting prices below invoice for the first several months, I'm pretty sure about that.
Chrysler invented the minivan, and from 1983 until about 2003 were the best in the business. The competition caught up to them (Ford, Toyota, Honda), and they've been playing catch up. In 2003, we cross-shopped, and we liked the Odyssey the best. Out of curiosity I checked the Chryslers again in 2008, and still liked the Odyssey better.
No one here has said that American-made=crap. As pointed out, the Odyssey is American-made in Alabama. Everyone has different opinions, your Caravan has served you well... great! Our Odyssey has served us well too.
There is a website (www.dogcars.com) that reviews vehicles for their "dogginess".
And if you want to believe that the Chrysler vans are outselling every other model, again, feel free. The rest of us actually look at sales figures, so we know that the Odyssey has been the best selling van for some time now. Even including fleet sales, which have made up a large percentage (I've seen some estimates that it could be as much as half) of Chrysler minivan sales.
As far as CR--again, whatever floats your boat. The reliability ratings are based on large numbers of user responses so I don't find attacks that they are "biased" to be credible. CR has given several American models good reviews, and one of the most reliable vehicles on the market according to CR is the Ford Fusion. In addition, their "top pick" in the large SUV category is the Chevy Traverse, over the Toyota and Honda.
In the minivan category, yes, they rank the Chrysler twins poorly and the Toyota and Honda highly. As a consumer,. I came to the same conclusion.
If it's the latter, that is pretty common today.
The dealer also did the recall fix for the brakes on my '08 ODY EX-L and did the third transmission software upgrade. So far I feel both fixes are doing the job.
Should people wait for the 2011 or just go ahead with the 2010?
Also to consider is that - would the dealers be willing to sell between MSRP and invoice or only at the MSRP?
I think they really missed the mark on the new Sienna.
remembering that I am in a honda forum - yes it might be better to pay more and get the odyssey.
Ernie or Herb??
Honda is traditionally tight lipped on these changes. More recently, they had a bad experience with the latest CRV intro (sites releasing images before NDAs had run). Watch for spy shots (there's one more recent one at odyclub - one in all black - nice wheels), for now.
Bad news if Touring trim only. Spendy, spendy, spendy...
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
http://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/
Complete with multiple pics of exterior, interior, and videos.
I have to admit, I wasn't that crazy about the concept car, but the actual 2011 model looks really slick. And with some very very innovative and great new technologies.
I am a little bit bummed because I just bought a 2010 Honda Touring (which I am very very happy with by the way) but looking at these pics and videos is making me jealous I didn't wait a bit longer for the 2011 version. However, we really needed the car now, plus I figured I could get a bigger discount on the older version, and plus they say never to buy the 1st year model of a new model's release so the kinks can be worked out. I knew I couldn't wait that long.
But I must say I am tempted to trade in my vehicle in a few years once that happens as this car like a very very well thought out minivan. I wonder what it will look like in real life.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
need to buy bfr change mind to pilot....
Kudos on the 2nd row seat though. Being able to put 3 car seats side by side is exactley what we need (with a 2 year old and twins).
The answer seems to be no based on this:
http://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/
Check this for new design inside and out