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Any else notice this, I have 7k miles and never has it gone above 1/2 or will it drop down when running cooler as thermostat opens ect.
This seems to be a software problem, since the gauge is run from the serial data from the engine computer????
Any comments???
to see the real coolant temp, possibly you will have to start the car in a way that enables the dashboard's diagnostic mode, and then find the coolant-temp screen via some menu. not sure if there is a way to do that on cruze but if I find out, I will follow up here. On my pontiac the way to do it is to start the engine while holding the dashboard 'mode' or 'set' buttons down.
also to nitpick, I'm sure you already know that the gauge is neither measuring engine temperature nor oil temperature - it is measuring coolant temperature.
"I also don't see how Korean dietary preferences have ANYTHING to do with a discussion of relative vehicle quality"
If you had read CAREFULLY, you'd noticed that I do NOT have a problem with Koreans eating dogs, it was the "treatment" of the animals prior to slaughter that my was my issue.
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"I think you have made it clear that you have an issue with at least one country... which might be coloring your opinion of their cars? "
Yes, in the respect of the [IMHO] inhumane treatment of the canines, I do reserve the option to be "opinionated" against Korea's auto industry.
Also, my 3+ decades with Southern Company, and the over 10k employees who post on intra-net boards and personal contact, has led to insight regarding most vehicle makers.
The Koreans MAY have improved quality, but in the first decade or so, the build quality was somewhat reminiscent of the Yugo.
A discussion of this nature could also point the finger inwards, as WE, the police of the world, maintain our "Right-by-Might" to pursue High Seas Piracy,
[and 20 gazillion other World Court & Geneva Convention Rules violations]
by boarding vessels in international waters and seizing cargo supposedly bound for the USA.
One particular incident comes to mind.
"1500~ Miles off the coast of Manila, the US Coast Guard seized some tonnage of Cannabis bound for the US"
Two things really bother me with our actions in this case.
1 - The US' territorial waters do not extend quite that far
2 - Why is the "US Coast Guard" involved with drug interdiction half way around the world ?
All of this is waaaaay OT, sorry for the rant,
I'll get off my soap box now :shades:
Kudo's for calling me out on this or any subject BTW
Rusty Wrench
aka
DrVette
For example, I could say the Cruze is CRAP because everyone at GM is a lying, coniving thief who stole billions from US taxpayers. Now, that statement has NOTHING to do with the Cruze itself, and I don't actually think that way about GM and its loan from the Feds. But it's an example of how discussions like this could dive off into the deep end with irrelevancy.
So, let's talk about cars, shall we? I've noticed you have lots to say on that subject.
The vehicle choice discussion reminds me of an old saying;
"That's why God gave man a choice, Ford or Chevrolet"
Happy Holidays
Rusty Wrench
aka DrVette
Yes, and all opinions about the topic are welcome. But not the other political and morality crap.
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Seats are hard and uncomfortable
No spare tire could be found
Small trunk barely enough for one suitcase
Car has a weird acceleration problem, was searching all over for gears as I merged on highways
Switched to a Chrysler 200 next day much better in all categories and seats are quite comfortable for a 200lb 6fter. Quiet like a library too!
Not that I want a 200 anyhow....
I'm surprised you had trouble fitting one suitcase into the trunk. There's 15.4 cubic feet of trunk space, which is pretty big for a compact car. (And bigger than the 200's trunk--that has 13.6 cubic feet.)
I've rented several Cruze LTs and haven't noticed a gear hunting problem. Also I thought the driver's seat was very comfortable, with good support. It IS firm, but I've found firm car seats provide better long-term comfort than soft/squishy seats. (Volvo and VW wrote the book there.) One thing you might not have noticed about the driver's seat is that, if it was a 2011 w/o the power option, it has TWO height adjustment levers. Which is unusual these days, but provides a lot of adjustment for seat bottom height and angle. I love that feature. I'm sorry to see it's no longer on the 2012 Cruze, at least not all trims as it was in 2011.
Besides my other car is a 1987 Buick Grand National, turbo v-6 that I can blast around with and have my fun with the gas I save with the Eco!!!!
Regarding your Grand National; if you define going fast in a straight line "fun" then more power to you. Many of us don't share your passion.
So 50 mpg on the Eco stick appears achievable in the real world, under the right conditions. Not in all-city driving or high-speed highway driving, however.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-chevrolet-volt-vs-2011-chevrolet-cr- - uze-eco-comparison-test
Also I do most of my highway driving at 65 mph and under. That's the fastest limit on the highways I go on 95% of the time, and it's almost all urban driving where going faster wouldn't be practical/safe most of the time. So again, 50 mpg seems achievable in REAL WORLD driving. Just not in EVERYONE's world.
I suggest you check your numbers and data before saying things that are not true, Gary M&G Engineering SAE, ASE BS. IN&T L-1 certification
Anyway, the OP wasn't talking about New England. There are other "real worlds" out there besides New England.
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Long story short, I'm thinking there isn't much of the "real world" that includes a safe driving environment for travel at 60 mph.
He just doesn't understand:
1) Speed limits in New England
2) There are other worlds besides New England.
3) Not everyone drives on interstates when commuting via highways.
Said another way, a constant sustained speed of 60 mph is in that bizarre seam between thresholds where its either too slow to be safe or too fast to be safe.
You are one of, what, 150 million drivers in the United States? Yet you can confidently assert that YOUR world is the only REAL world when it comes to driving?
If you go 60 mph on most highways in Vermont, for example (which btw is a state in New England), you will be exceeding the speed limit by 5-10 mph. And that doesn't account for conditions. I hear it snows in Vermont sometimes. Yet you assert it is not safe to drive those highways at even 5-10 mph over the speed limit... that such speed is "bizarre".
I think there's something bizarre here... but driving safely at 60 mph on many of the highways of the USA isn't it.
As for getting off the interstate, believe it or not, I've crossed the entire continent at least a half a dozen times without using a limited access highway for more than a couple of miles at a shot (typically where two or more routes merge for a few miles before separating once again).
FWIW, my favorite non-interstates are US-6 across Nevada and US-2 between Everett, WA and St. Ignace, MI.
Just because you are a "speed demon" on the highways of New England et. al. doesn't mean all Americans are. Those are the folks who have a chance to hit 50 mpg in a Cruze Eco, especially one with the 6MT. Unfortunately, looks like you wouldn't have a chance to do that. Unless you want to slow down a bit, take in the beautiful scenery of Northern MN as you drive through it on US-2.
At this point I'm done with this conversation; we're just going around in a circle.
I think a sustained 60 mph is way-way too slow to safely drive on most interstate stretches (assuming non-rush hour time), and 60 mph is rather fast for pretty much any non-interstate (unless we're talking roads like US-6 across Nevada, then 60 is once again too slow).
Agreed! (Except in the special case of interstates that wind through the hearts of big cities, some of those have 50-55 limits.)
Do you know how many miles of interstate highways there are in the USA? About 47,000. Know how many total highway miles there are in the USA? About 4 million. So interstate miles comprise less than 2% of all highway miles.
Conclusion: on the vast majority of highways in the USA, 60 mph is "rather fast." But a good speed at which to take a shot at 50 mpg in a Cruze Eco.
I have three more of these things arriving in the next few weeks. I anticipate some grumbling among my employees.......
2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2019 Ford Mustang GT Premium, 2016 Kia Optima SX, 2013 Ford F-150 King Ranch, 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6, 2001 Kawasaki Vulcan 800 Classic
It is highly likely - again, in the absence of other info - that the OP traveled a 70 MPH interstate averaging 60 MPH, which would generally be considered too slow, regardless of where you're from.
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Said another way, the individual doing 15 mph less than the average speed is no less of a danger to him or herself (and those around him or her) than the individual doing 15 mph more than the average speed.
Since the original comment(s) related to MPG, I'll reel it back around to the original point, with which I agree - I don't feel that reporting 60 MPH MPG is representative of what the general driving population would experience on a similar journey, taking mostly 70 MPH speed limit roads.
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Me too.
as for the 1.8LS, no cruise control but it's possible that swapping in the LT steering wheel will provide the full cruise functions. this would be consistent with some other things about the vehicle software too (for example, the non-nav/LS models paradoxically have full-function turn-by-turn nav, enabled one directions-set at a time by your friendly onstar rep.)
and I did indeed have one particular white-knuckle freeway merge with the M6 1.8LS after a fraidy-cat stopped ahead on the entrance ramp. aside from the starting from stop or slow-roll situation, with the M6 it's easy enough to keep the engine in the high-rpm power-band if you plan ahead. :
condensation in the foglight is normal in the vehicles i've owned with foglights. you can run the light and probably dry out the condensation when you see it, if you like.
Have the oil tested - that will tell you if it is leaking into the engine.
due to recent experience, my #1 guess is thermostat/housing/rtv-sealant or any other sealant used for thermostat/housing. [ no idea if the cruze motor(s) thermostat is like that for GM LS2 however]
to reproduce&find this leak, the dealership had to leave the car idling in the shop for a Long Time. For me it would be evident after driving & parking in garage- smell of coolant in garage - some tiny droplets on garage floor. Also it would be evident on a cold-start - the initial rush of air from vents would very smell coolant-ish. Again, root cause for it was thermostat.
I just bought a 2012 1LT Cruze and was told just about the same thing. The finance guy ran the VIN and the Cruze was eligible for my GM Card 2K rebate plus ONE of the following: USAA $750 or GM loyalty $500.
Even the $500 Military credit did not work. No credit union either. But when I bought my 2011 Sierra all the rebates were able to be stacked.
I was getting 1K below MSRP on the Cruze but it was added back on because I was hugely upside down on my trade. Oh and this was in Northern California. Lots of inventory with all colors. Mostly Eco's and 1LT's with extra options. Very little 2LT or LTZ.
Anyway I love the car and I'm glad I bought it.
Please include your daytime contact information and a few words about the decision you made.
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I hit a lot of hills. Anyone know if shifting the automatic into neutral is bad for the tranny? Reason I ask is that it came with an updated loose manual page saying don't tow it in neutral with all four wheels on the ground.
Oh and save your breath if you feel compelled to tell me it's illegal tho....I already know that.
I know that the engine is very efficient but quick warm-up is essential to fuel economy. 180 is not bad but specs call for 210 normal temp.
Second test in 20 degree temp was worse, no warm-up after 7 miles engine temp was still 170 with 3 people in the car.
I have installed a lower radiator hose coolant heater, it went bad after 5 uses, but it seemed to help if put on about 1/2 hour before I use the car. It did set trouble codes twice but not with any repeatability that I could see. Temp gauge would go to cold and check lite would be on and cooling fan running. Code set was for engine coolant temp sensor improper operation, but would only set about 4 miles into first trip ad then not every time. I had to clear codes with scan tool to restore everything to normal.
How long does it take for your car to warm up on gauge 1 tick before 1/2????
I expect automatics and standard models to heat up quicker because they waste more fuel.