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Or a smaller TSX with less features and a softer suspension for the same money. ;-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
but I thought that an I is still going to be less money than a comparable TSX?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The TSX with the same engine and the 5-speed automatic is exactly the same price, $30K. However, if you are inclined to get the 6-speed manual, you will have to pay $31K.
Still very close in price, and the larger heavier TSX is the one of the pair with the handling, believe it or not. It also has more feature content at that price than the ILX 2.4 does at $30K.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
At Honda, things have never been better, as warranty costs continue to drop (Warranty Week)
Some of these good numbers may be skewed by the product mix, since the numbers include Honda motorcycles and other products, but they are still good numbers.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Back in the 90s people like me felt Honda was an engineering leader that was very reliable. Now they are just reliable..
A safe update it appears... I think it'll be one of those that will look better in person than in pictures. Definitely looks like Honda is trying to cover both the Camry/Avalon, Altima/Maxima, Fusion/Taurus and Sonota/Azera again, even more so with the addition of the Touring trim and I'm sure a pricetag to match.
It will be interesting to see if they can match Altima fuel economy with the new Accord, now that they are making the leap to CVT. A couple of new model previews made specific mention of how unpopular CVTs are in the U.S., and wondered if that design choice would limit sales appeal. At least the new Earth Whatever engine is DI finally.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Thankfully, reliability has gotten alot better than the POC ones that were used (and all recalled) in vehicles like the Saturn Vue or the black marked 2003 Murano.
Honda might get some backlash from this unless they continue to offer a regular automatic option.
Whatever effect it has, Honda really can't afford to have the Accord redesign flop. But if you look closely at what they have done, it SEEMS as much a refresh as an actual redesign. Will it be enough? The Fusion has been taking off, the new Altima comes out right now, and Camry is still killing all the other midsize sedans (not to mention the new gas Malibu is about to come out and the Passat and Sonata are posting strong sales).
I will reserve final judgment until we see some driving impressions, but I'm not thinking that what Honda has done here will be enough to grab any lost sales back from the other big automakers.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
even ones you did not mention (Optima, Legacy) are solid options.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I also applaud the availability of a 6 speed manual trans on both sedan and coupe.
And the standard stuff on the Accord is impressive, beating out even the Sonata and the Passat.
Even the LX 2013 Accord is going to have dual climate, bluetooth, alloy wheels, etc. Plus I think handling and acceleration will be near the top of the pack because of the lower weight of the car...
EarthDreams actually sounds a bit hippy-like, I wonder if there will be brand backlash from the driver-types? or have they all already defected to Mazda and Ford?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Following the expansion push, 95% of the vehicles Honda sells in North America will be made there, and the region will account for about 50% of Honda’s global production capacity, Mr. Iwamura said."
Honda Boosting Production in North America (WSJ)
Honda Accord Plug-in 2013 : Une neuvième vie électrique
I like it in some views, others not so much. But it certainly isn't "Boring".
and at least we know where they assigned the designer that did the front end of the previous generation CRV!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
And I take back all my cracks about it being a glorified V6 CRV. it's not.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
As far as the wheels go, maybe they are trying to keep owners from detailing their cars. I sure wouldn't want to go near those for fear that I would slice my hands off!
Not so sure about this one...
Will be curious to see how the CVT tranny works out.
When an Understatement is a Good Thing
Image taken from TOV.
And yeah, love the center caps. Weird.
Of course, boring works for Honda: Civic sales up 106% last month? Or was that for the YTD? Either way, it is proof positive for me that many buyers buy purely to have a transportation appliance. And it will relieve Honda of the "pressure" of genuinely improving their products in the next few years....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Engine: city/highway/combined
2.4/6MT: 24/34/28
2.4/CVT: 27/36/30
2.4/CVT Sport/coupe: 26/35/29
V6/6AT sedan: 21/34/25
V6/6AT coupe: 21/32/25
V6/6MT: 18/28/22
32-34mpg highway for a 270+hp V6 is incredible. Honda is making a strong case that V6's can still be efficient.
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It's kinda like how BMW styles their cars. BMWs don't look completely different with each generation and mess with success. Instead BMW sticks with a classic design that gives excellent visibility and room. Same with Honda.
Here's a simple test. Can you roll down the rear windows more than about halfway in a Sonata, Optima, Altima, Fusion, etc? No. But you can roll down your windows almost all the way with an Accord. Those other cars all have poor rear visibility. The visibility is excellent on the Accord.
I'm looking forward to test driving one. The new engine and transmission combos sound very nice.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
How is that RDX? I like the looks of those....
got 21.5 on the first fill up.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I thought that about the 2008-2012 Accord. IMO it looked like a combination of Saturn L-series, 2005-06 Nissan Altima, and BMW 5-series. I thought the overall effect was fairly attractive, but kinda generic. Nothing that screamed "Honda".
Honestly, I have trouble getting excited about most modern mainstream cars, but I at least find the Accord to be handsome. The Camry's almost trying too hard to be bland, while there's just something that seems off-kilter about the 2013 Altima's style.
The 2013 Fusion looks like it might be interesting, though.
I got it because of the excellent engineering, great manual transmission, amazing features, etc. But the styling on this generation was only so so for me. I'd say the side view is good, maybe a B+, but the back is perhaps a B-, and the front is kind of an ugly duckling C+. It's kind of a face that only a mother could love, but I'm its mother, I guess. But overall I still love the car. Best car I've ever owned by far.
I'd grade the 2013 Accord in terms of styling as being a B+ all around. Much nicer overall.
I think it's the first really good looking Accord in a while. I think it's equal to the sharp looking Accords of 86-89, 90-93, and 94-97. And I think it's better than the 98-02 (which I also owned), and 03-07.
But yeah, Andre's right that midsize cars tend to be kinda bland.
To which, my coworker said something like "Yeah right, I WISH I could afford a BMW!"
So, based on my experience, I don't know if that bodes well for Honda, or bad for BMW, that at a quick glance, I mistook one for the other!
Honestly, I don't think the '08-12 Accord is a bad looking car. I don't find it ugly at all. Just not very exciting. Heck, a few years back when my Intrepid got totaled, I briefly considered checking out an Accord. And, to this day, I still get frequent emails from that Honda dealer because of an inquiry made almost 3 years ago!
Honda aims to double global auto sales in 5 years (Detroit News)
Yes.
I was surprised to find, however, that not only Consumer Reports was less enthusiastic about the Accord reliability, but that the Accords were vastly over-represented in NHTSA complaint database and at the carcomplaint.com website, and I mean it, vastly, compared to about all other midsize sedans. I then recalled my own experience with two new Accords (20-25 k miles at turning in), and had to realize that their reliability record was far from stellar too: vibration of the front brakes (not fixed by Honda), wrong position of the steering wheel, eyeglass holder suddenly opening in movement right above my head, belt squeal, rear brakes gone at 22k miles on 2007 V6, and, worst of all, rust perforation (also not fixed by Honda). In addition, lease residuals (which are a proxy for projected future resale directly related to projected long-term reliability) started decreasing, below those of Toyota and even Hyundai. I looked then at the Civic (which grew up to the size of previous-generation Accords), but neither Accord nor Civic would acceptably meet my priorities (see above). Also, they did not offer anything remarkable in any other area to make up for the shortcomings. So, regrettably, that was it.
My conclusion is that Honda (and Toyota, which has its share of quality problems) are mostly riding on their previous reputation, but at present are, at best, just average in every aspect, including quality and reliability. The free ride will sooner or later end. Persistent transmission problems across the line up also do not help to boost the Honda perception as a “quality brand”.
I'm 47, and I've been driving since I was 15 and half. In that time I've driven extensively a 1966 VW Bug, a 1969 VW Bus, a 1979 Datsun/Nissan 210, a 1986 Mazda B2000, a 1978 Chevy Caprice, a 1987 VW Jetta, a 1988 Oldsmobile 98, a 2000 Ford Focus ZTS, a 2002 Accord LX, and a 2008 Accord EXL navi.
The last two cars, the Hondas, were better in almost every way than the other cars I've driven, esp. when it comes to reliability and quality.
The 2008 Accord is dramatically better than the quite good 2002 Accord we used to own. I'm expecting that the 2013 Accord we are planning to buy is also going to be better than the 2008 by quite a bit in several areas.
There's a reason most Honda buyers are loyal to the brand.
Just my 2 cents.