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I took a look at the reviews of the EL-400's on Tire rack. If you haven't read those, you all should take a look. I also read the reviews on the Michelin Primacy MXM4's which I would have to go with if I keep my 18 wheels. (Not sure I want to be the first to test a 55 profile tire on those wheels...if someone else chooses to see if they fit, let me know. LOL.) watched the video too.
I will turn 3000 miles on my car tomorrow heading out to work. From the looks of the reviews, I might not have to wait too many months before I have to change them anyway. Doesn't seem they last too long.
Teresa
Both of us think that the grill is gross, but is less noticeable on the cars with darker paint colors.
The grill is too wide, too tall and doesn't blend with elegant hood creases and body lines. In addition, the slit-like opening that joins the driver-side and passenger-side low 'fog' lights over accentuates the grill into a visual pout, making the Avalon look like a fish from the sides.
This grill and the Gawd-awful hour-glass whacky design on the late-model Lexus products, makes you wonder what Toyota is thinking.
Oh, and to the other posters ..... EL400s are garbage, plain and simple!
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Don't hate. It doesn't look good on you.
This stuff is so subjective. It's about what's right for you. I spite of what I just wrote, I think the grill on the Fusion looks very aggressive and adds to the sporty look of the car. Oh well - No accounting for taste!!
Lexus's grill is still the worst overall family design change for no apparent reason I've seen in quite some time in the car industry.
We have come to expect (and with good reason), and comfortable car, after all, it's what Toyota has been providing for 10 years?
Yes, we may all have to get use to cars that are going to drive and ride different.
Not something I for one, I'm crazy about. For those with older, larger, more comfortable cars, it could be good? Your cars may have better resale value once folks realize - it's the only option left for a Big Old Boat of a car.
I for one, long for the days of Buick Roadmasters, Park Avenue É
Skip
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/12/automobiles/autoreviews/straying-a-bit-beyond-- its-own-comfort-zone.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I have to say that I found the handling to be good to very good, and the ride to be very good. After all the comments, I was curious to see if bumps/rough roads caused any jarring. I found that not to be the case at all; and the tires were Bridgestones. I was also pleased by the acceleration. This all leads to my fundamental question: Why would anyone buy the all-gas model? I recognize it's a little faster, but the price difference is small, and the extra cost is recovered quickly, especially compared to cars where one might NEVER recover the higher price through gas savings. When you add in the fact that (from all that's said here) the 17" wheels give a better ride, it makes what I consider a compelling case for the TAH. Am I missing something, folks?
Limited vs Touring: Not being a fan of adaptive cruise control, and not needing cooled seats since I live in a temperate climate, the only significant advantage of the ltd. for me is the stereo. I did think it was quite a bit better (I was able to compare the same classical music on each). But, that just doesn't justify the price difference, imho.
The main thing i disliked about the car was the small windows/tight interior/reduced visability the car gives. And I wish the steering wheel telescoped out farther (I'm 6' 4" and would like to have the seat all the way back without driving with my arms fully extended).
I will drive the car again at some point, but at this point I think that at my next large repair for my Infiniti, it's back to Toyota for the reasons stated AND their better reliability.
I did have ACC on my 2002 Q45 (until it went out!) and I strongly disliked it. It felt as though the car would unnecessarily slam on the brakes at times. It seems pretty clear that the Avalon's system is MUCH more refined, but can you tell me what it is about ACC that you appreciate so much? (Even with a sophisticated adaptive system my daily commute wouldn't permit it's use, by the way.)
Thanks.
Don't forget the Pre Collision System that's also part of the tech package on the Limited. The owner's manual warns about circumstances that could cause false actuation of the PCS, and I was concerned about that. But in 4 months and 5000 miles of driving I haven't had one false trigger. It's nice to know it's there, and could save my bacon someday in case something happens too fast for me to react.
Just found this article and thought you all might be interested.
http://www.kbb.com/toyotacentral/avalon/#/brvafullsize
Teresa
So, what is wrong with the Avalon ride? It just sounds like the worthless Bridgestone tires to me?
While it is not as smooth or comfy as older models, it is what it is. Most folks are fine with the ride, and if you live in an area where the roads are smooth - then you'll love the car / ride.
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Robert N.
But with the other guy(Republican) I wouldn't even have a job let alone a car.
Also, there has been much discussion here about the ride and handling of the 2013 models but I am pleased with the 2012 in this regard using Bridgestone tires.
I have had a 2008, (traded with 68,000 miles) 2011, (traded with 46,000) 2013 (traded with 3700 miles) and 2012 Avalon (current own with 15,000 miles). You will love the 2012.
Now if a sportier ride is in your liking, you will love the 2013.
The earlier models are bigger, more comfortable, roomier and if a large car with large car features, characteristics is what you are looking for, then the 2012 is the car for you.
No problems, and or minor issues with all 4 of my Avalons, squeaky wipers and front brake rotors (all under warranty).
Ton's of space in the back seat, large trunk, smooth, quiet ride, albeit a bit boring to look at (or so they say), fine MPG for a large car. A few recent trips had me getting 30+- MPG on the highway.
Skip
again, appreciate all of your inputs!
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