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My first thought is that there is electronic interference on the car's remote starter frequency, and that is telling the car to start. But, if it happens anywhere, that's probably not the case.
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/08/eyesight-2013-subaru-outback-arrive- s-at-our-track-with-lots-of-tweaks-new-safety-features.html
Bob
I have to admit, it handles much better than my old 2003 Outback and a lot better than my liftet Jeep!
I hope your 3.6 doesn't have the front end plow that my W8 Passat had. I have had Audi Quatros that were better...when they weren't in thje shop.
We have the 2nd TT and did not have any problems with either of them.
But back to the topic, the 2013 Outback handles very well for a vehicle with an 8.7" ground clearance, and which is slowly leaving the station wagon arena and becoming a crossover SUV.
My 2003 Outback was clearly a station wagon, and it was smaller and quite a bit lower than the 2013, but did not handle as well!
My 2005 6 cylinder Outback with VDC had very bad manners if I tried any sporty driving.......unlike my 2010 Forester XT which by comparison is a drifter!
Subaru handling is getting close to my old 4000S Quatro and at a better price point.
That's interesting, Dave. I had a 2007 and 2008 Outback (2.5i), and both handled very well. The steering feedback, in particular, was excellent. In comparison, my 2010 Forester's steering feedback is poor. The handling, while decent, is not anywhere near as good as the 3rd gen Outbacks.
I'm surprised that the 3.0L H6 was so much worse, but I guess that extra weight makes a difference! I'm also not sure whether the XT's suspension is sportier than the N/A versions, but it would make heaps of sense if it were.
I think the problem with the 2005 6 was the calibration of VDC. The programming was super nanny versus ok-to-the-limit on the 2010 XT.
The other possibility was slow response of the sensors or actuators on that first stability control for Subaru. Five years is an eternity in electronics.
It's time to retire my 1998 Subee outback and now that I'm making more road trips -- I'd really like to have something quieter. I still live on a dirt road, so definitely want a Subee, but old enough to want a little oomph and luxury in a car. Ideas?
The local dealer finally had a stick shift car in stock... a bare-bones Legacy, but since there was no MT Outback, I decided to try it out. It was an amazing experience. In this day of look-alike, feel-alike cars, the Legacy was so different it was almost disorienting.
Basically, I couldn't figure out when to shift. The engine is neither smooth nor rough; "gravelly" might describe it. But there are no resonances as you go through the revs, so the sound and feel is very even. I really liked it, but I had a hard time shifting by ear and kept looking at the tach.
The shifter itself was reasonably crisp; not Honda-precise, but not ropey like my Vibe either. I merged onto the freeway at one point and found myself doing 80-some before I knew it. With the manual at least, there is plenty of power in this car. I really liked the feel of it and I think I'll just have to order a 6MT Outback -- later this year or after the salt is gone in the spring.
Just to be sure, I'll drive a CVT before I commit, but I'm pretty much set on the stick... I also have a feeling that manuals won't be around much longer in bread-and-butter cars, so I should get one while I can.
Cheers -Mathias
The computer picked up my contacts on my phone without any problems. I am impressed at how intuitive the system is, well done Subaru.
This is a company car lease so there was no price negotiations involved. I got the 3.6 with puddle lights, fog lights, sill lights, homelink mirror and the remote starter. The only option that I did not get was the eyesight system, not only would it not have fit into my budget but I am not sure that I want a computer taking control of the car.
First impression is that a good car just got better.
thanks for your imput
Bob
BTW, I'm in Colorado and smiled at the line; "4,000 foot mountains".
easypa
One comment on towing - you want the rear axle doing as much work as possible, so I'd pick the 45/55 split of the VTD AWD over the Highlander's 100/0 default mode any day.
When I was in WV, I characterized the area as "very hilly." One local incredulously replied with something like, "Hilly? We're in the middle of the mountains!" I held my tongue and responded with commenting on how the winters must make navigating the roads challenging....
* Crossed the Continental Divide on a cruise ship while transiting the Panama Canal.
That would mean, the max weight the vehicle can tow, regardless is the vehicles interior load (as long as that meets the stated weight limit.
I'm making the assumption the max is calculated like others, your making the assumption its the tow rating dispite cargo and passengers. Either of us could be correct. Subaru doesn't say.
I searched the on-line owners manual and it didn't even reference towing with the car, but only having the car towed.
My Impreza has a GVWR of 4200 something (bad memory) posted in the door frame next to the PSI suggestions. It doesn't have a GCWR (combined wieght) probably since its not suggested to tow anything.
Does the Outback have a GVCR in the door frame? I can't check my 2001 Outback at the moment and the '12 models are totaly different anyway.
You are correct, an Outback with "real" winter tires on is hardly stoppable!
We live here in winter wonderland (Minnesonwta), and winter tires on my 2003 Outback were all it was needed to get us through!
In my 2013 Outback I have a Harman/ Kardon Premium Sound w/ navigation. In the center console there is an USB slot. I loaded an MP3 song on the memory card to try it out but it wouldn't play it or recognize the USB memory card. Am I doing something wrong? The manual is quite thick as I am when it comes to making sense of its content. It recognizes the CD's but not the USB card. Perhaps it uses something other than a USB memory card in the console slot? Many thanks to whatever help can be passed on to me & my problem.
Regards, Vince
-----As I was driving it "cold" (hadn't been used that day yet) out of my driveway to the dealership the next day, I noticed that the transmission had a higher-pitch "whine" to it when accelerating at low speeds. We intentionally bought the 3.6L (6 cylinder) engine because we wanted to avoid the CVT "whine" from that tranny. I am a mechanical engineer, and so I tend to pay attention to these details.
------The first appt at a near-dealership took 2 hours (quoted 20-30 min) and left me frustrated. They pulled code P1843 (transmission pressure sensor malfunction) and said that the transmission wiring harness connection was not fully connected, so they did that, and then cleared the problem codes so that the lights would go off on the dash. The car still whined and I decided to take it in again.
-----The second service trip (today) to a farther-dealership is still in process—they gave me a loaner car and sent me home. They hadn’t heard the whine (possibly the 30 min drive warmed up the tranny), and so they wanted to keep it overnight.
-----However, I learned from the service tech that code P1843 has been associated with a Subaru Service Bulletin that involved a buildup of "manufacturing sediment" in the transmission. A first try fix is to flush the transmission, and if that doesn’t work, then a very expensive ($900) part of the transmission (head? I can't remember) would need to be changed. Unfortunately, the near-dealership had cleared the code from memory, and Subaru's policy is that if the code is not currently showing, then they can't perform the Service Bulletin work under warranty.
-----Has anyone else seen these issues in a brand-new 2013 Subaru Outback 3.6L 6 cylinder? Check engine light on solid, other lights flashing, and a newly whiny/whining transmission sound? This is our first Subaru, and hopefully they can resolve this so that we can have many thousands of happy miles to come!
Can I ask for a few hard returns, white space, to make your posts easier to read?
Last night (Aug. 31) we drove off the lot a green 2013 Outback 2.5i and were a mere 2 miles down the road and the exact same warning lights came up on our dash plus we had the AT Oil Temp light (solid). As it was the end of the day, the dealer was closed and we were close to home, we went home for the night.
After talking with the dealer first thing in the morn we drove it "cold" to the dealership where they drew a code P2762 from their dignostics.
They managed to clear all the alerts and we went for a healthy test drive with the tech. and all was ok but Murphy's law - 1/2 a mile from leaving the dealer the dash light up again. Much head scratching back at the dealership.
As there is no immediate service bulletin associated with that dignostic code, and it being the long weekend, we are forced to wait till next tuesday for any information from Subaru.
Talk about killing the euphoria / excitement of buying a new car...
That end of summer road trip is not the same in a loaner car
Will be curious to see how your issues are resolved and if these problems are possibly related.
Cheers
I think it's working today.
Thanks.
So, some good news on our saga...the second farther-dealership ended up flushing our transmission for us, based on that Service Bulletin. I know that they DID mention that an "oil light" on the dash was also associated with this Service Bulletin. I'm not sure if your code P2762 was actually related or not (they wouldn't allow me to get a copy of the bulletin), but it may be worth you asking!
Our whining transmission issue seems to be the norm. We did test drive a completely different 2013 Outback 3.6L just yesterday to see what it would sound like, and it had a very similar "whine". (I think ours is slightly louder, but I'm giving up for now.)
Time will tell...we hope this fixes ours for good! We are trying to get past all of this and back to enjoying our new car. Good luck with your issue, and hopefully you can enjoy yours soon too! Thank goodness for this forum, or else I'd feel we were the only ones on the planet with an issue with a new Subaru...
The navi on the other hand is awful. It is bad enough that it has a clunky interface and takes many more steps to find new destinations. What is worse is that it makes stupid mistakes such as the voice announcing "Exit the highway" when the display clearly indicates you have many miles to go before the next turn. Also, the decision rule for how long before a turn you get the audible warning seems highly inconsistent, ranging from 1000 ft to forgetting altogether; and the speed of the car seems to have nothing to do with it. You can buy an aftermarket model for $100 that is much better than this one.
I dont get it, the company has really done a great job on a brand new and tough technogy, and then failed on something that had been done well bay many companies for 10 years! I am hoping gor and update on the navi software, at least to fix the errors, I can get used to the interface.
Smoother ride than my '10 Legacy. Overall length is about 2" more so I'm guessing that enough of that is in the wheelbase that it makes a difference.
The inflatable LUMBAR SUPPORT. OK, I've only ever driven one import that had one that could match the full size Ford/Mercury/Lincoln products that were our company cars, and that was the Infiniti M (older ones). One of my buddies had one and he and I used to take it on golf outings and we would alternate driving. It was really great in that Infiniti.
This new OB lumbar support is right up there with those units. Much better than in the Lexus we traded for this unit. So much so that I won't be taking my little foam pad one with me when we head off on our road trip next week.
Glad we have a real temperature gauge now, although cars overheating is not something that seems to be much of an issue like it was in the 50's and 60's. Better engines now!
The fuel economy gauge was a bit off-putting at first but I'm used to it now.
I should have much more in a couple of weeks when we get back from Cincinnati.
easypar