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About the valves I agree with you. When disabled, they do nothing.
Coincidentally, and without having the benefit of your insight, I have been skipping 5th and going from 4th to 6th, in view of no real appreciable difference from 4th to 5th. i guess I could just feel it. I, too, am in the 99.9% that never go racing, so while the close ratios are neat, they are lost on my driving style.
I think part of the problem is cruise control. They don't want the car to seem weak by needing the occasional shift up steep hills, so they gear it so it won't need one.
While the ratio may be the same as the 8th gen, it is a little taller than my 7th gen - about 130 revs at 60 mph lower.
While I agree the transmission is very good, my 7th gen feel like it has about half the effort. 9th gen feels a little clunkier. Hopefully that is just because the 7th gen has 161k miles of breaking in.
But the previous generations (your 7th gen, and my 2001 so 6th generation) at 63mph ran at 2,500 RPM, so the last gear was a bit shorter. It's good they made the last ratio longer in 2008. It's a pity they didn't make it even longer in 2013 (especially after going through the trouble of switching to a 6 speed gearbox).
Obviously this discussion applies to manual transmissions only. Automatics have a longer last ratio (which is the only thing I like about automatics).
My cars are nowhere near those numbers. The 7th gen is 2380 rpm at 60 mph and the 9th gen is 2250 rpm at 60 mph. Which would make them 2,975 and 2,813 rpm respectively at 75 mph.
I always use 60 mph (and most mags as well) for comparing rpm since at that speed revs per mile and revs per minute are the same. You could also just use revs per minute in top gear then it does not matter what speed you are talking about.
VW had an interesting solution to this in the 80's they called it 4 + E. 5th gear just said E and was a double overdrive. 4th was overdrive and 5th was a second overdrive. The car hit top speed in third gear (98 mph). It wasn't super tall like some cars, but for a 74 hp Quantum, 2100 rpm at 60 mph is about as relaxed as you want to go.
Anyway the thinking behind calling it E for economy was that then people wouldn't consider it a normal gear, just something for faster highway cruising. Would love it if the Accord had something like that. I would have been perfectly fine with the same 5 gears as the 7th or 8th gen and a real tall 6th gear. Another problem is the super tall gear would never be used in the EPA test (they might not even use 6th as it stands now) so while it would help a lot in real world mpg it would do nothing for the ratings.
I had screwed up the conversion Km/h to mph. Our numbers are proportional now. (100 Km/h is ~63 mph, not 75 mph !!!)
Here in Canada we use 100 Km/h. Canadians ...
Had me going for a bit. Canadians get more MT models as is, not fair if they also get better gear ratios.
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Hope this helps.
the VCM just adds another little wrinkle.
Now, I have the same basic drivetrain in an RDX, and yeah, it often has to downshift around town, but I expect it and don't find it objectionable. Especially when I floor it and get slammed back into the seat!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I was offered a Honda Maintenance Program for about $900-1,000 upfront. This will allow me to get oil changes and my maintenance checks at 15, 30 and 45K at any Honda service location. Do you think this is worth it?
and most likely the plan only covers what the MM says, and that may not include the brake fluid.
figure at the deal (they have coupons!) max of $40 each for oil changes at 7,500 mile increments (ballpark) with rotations at every other (maybe $100 total). You get multi point inspections every oil change anyway.
overall, hard to see you paying nearly that much for the basic services the car will need.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Also, I noticed a gap in the right side bumper area. If u look at it from the side and direct sunlight, u can see the black spacers. Meaning is not tight as the other side. Again, th dealer said is normal to have some gaps here and there as no car is perfect???
It isn't the end of the world, but it bothers me that Honda has the same culture of not honoring their warranties. That's why I don't believe in any type of warranty. Any suggestions ir anyone noticing these issues with their 2013 accords? Thanks in advance for your feedback on these 2 issues.
2017 Accord Sport CVT Mod Steel Metallic
I emailed Aha, & they told me I needed to work with Honda regarding the Hondalink app, but that was just updated. I've tried listening to Aha channels with headphones through the phone, & that works marginally better, but after a while the same issues arise.
I have an HTC Thunderbolt phone on Verizon. The problems seem to occur whether or not I'm getting 4G.
Anybody else have similar experiences and, more importantly, were you able to get them resolved?
The issues i am having are annoying and i wish someone would comment on those and check ther break lights after a storm or car wash and let me know if that is normal on the top edge of the break light. Thanks for your input.
2017 Accord Sport CVT Mod Steel Metallic
First, I would like to thank you for all the work you did investigating this problem - hopefully it will save many other people a lot of time and heartache.
I got my wife a 2013 Accord LX with CVT back at the end of February. She loves the car, however like you and others here, she is experiencing this stuttering with the transmission. After a little investigation I found all the information you entered here. So I called the dealer today to book her car in to get this sorted out (assuming that they would apply whatever update they applied to your car). The service manager told me that he never heard of any problems like this, and there are no TSBs for the 2013 Accord. Given the volume of Hondas that this dealer sells, I am forced to question his honesty/ability. Anyway, I'm going to call American Honda tomorrow to see if I can get any more joy from them.
But in the meantime, I was wondering if you ever got any more information on what they did to your car to resolve the issue? I don't want to give you even more work, but you seem to be the only one here that has had this problem resolved, so it would certainly help the rest of us if you had any information that we could give our dealers.
Many thanks for all your good work on this. I hope that you continue to enjoy your Accord.
Frank.
You also said that your LX's, "stutter greatly diminished and all but disappeared." Do you still feel that way? Have you noticed any more issues? Another words, do you still think this "fix" is worth pursuing for those of us faced with this problem? I don't want to press Honda for something if this firmware update is still not the answer. You know what I mean?
Dear Honda Corporation: You should be ashamed. Wake up!
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
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Has anyone here experienced problems with their firestone affinity tires that came on the 2013 accord LX CVT?
Has anyone found any solutions? Even after-market? Can we install firmware updates ourselves or do we have to go to a dealer? Any help is appreciated!
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
city/highway/combined:
Accord LX: 21/40/30 mpg
Fusion Hybrid: 35/41/39 mpg
So as expected big jump in city mpg and not so much in highway for a hybrid.