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The Current State of the US Auto Market

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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    Yikes, that would scare the bejeezus out of me if that ever happened.

    The thing is like 15 years old tho isn't it? So stuff like that I guess is to be expected...
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,998
    The thing is like 15 years old tho isn't it? So stuff like that I guess is to be expected...

    Yep, as the old saying goes, "GM cars run bad longer than most cars run at all!" :P

    Oddly, the final nail in the coffin for the only other Buick I ever owned, my grandmother's old '85 LeSabre, was brake failure as well. It was almost 18 years old, had about 157,000 miles on it, needed a lot of other work, was one car too many, so we just got rid of it.

    One good thing about old Chryslers, is that when the brakes fail, the hand brake is a lot easier to use than the foot brake on the GM cars! Came in very handy the times I've had to drive my '57 DeSoto, '67 Newport, and '68 Dart brakeless. :blush:
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    edited July 2013
    Yikes, that would scare the bejeezus out of me if that ever happened.

    The thing is like 15 years old tho isn't it? So stuff like that I guess is to be expected...


    Yeah, I've been there. I helped a buddy launch his boat last summer with his '97 F150. While backing down a steep ramp a brake line failed and we would have ended up in the lake (truck and all) if not for the parking brake locking up the rear wheels. Scared the you know what out of me.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,379
    edited July 2013
    Top 10 Car Sales - June
    #1 Camry
    #2 Cruze :surprise:
    #3 Accord
    #4 Civic
    #5 Altima
    #6 Corolla
    #7 Fusion
    #8 Focus
    #9 Elantra
    #10 Malibu
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,379
    YTD June 2013
    Mustang = 43,111 :D
    Camaro = 42,312 :cry:
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,776
    Charger sales were around 8,000 this month but I don't see YTD numbers.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Looks like Toyota is continuing in the trails forged by "Old GM" regarding fleet sales...but Malibu is really gunning for "2013 Fleet Queen Crown".

    Right up there with the new Fusion and the new Altima. (You left that out of your summary...shocker!)
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Look at the brand considered most patriotic in the USA Today article...

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2013/07/01/most-patriotic-brands-jeep/2481- 337/
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    I think the Cruze looks like a good economy compact car from the outside. Now is the inside as good as the outside? Are the guts any good?

    What are they selling for?
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,753
    I think the Cruze looks like a good economy compact car from the outside. Now is the inside as good as the outside? Are the guts any good?

    I sat in a top line Cruze at the auto show when it first came out and I thought the interior was impressively high quality. At the time the reviews said the drivetrain was a bit unrefined. Don't know if that's changed.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,998
    I'm impressed that the Malibu made it into that top ten list. I guess they're finally starting to hit their stride? I've been seeing them more and more around these parts, and about a month ago when I went out to Ohio to hit the amusement parks, I noticed a very good showing of them out there.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,379
    June Charger sales = 9,812
    YTD = 51,981
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,776
    Wow, outselling the Camaro and the Mustang then eh? Surprised.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,998
    Wow, outselling the Camaro and the Mustang then eh? Surprised.

    But that's Charger, not Challenger. Unless CircleW just made a typo?

    That just got me thinking...the current Challenger has managed to outlive the original! The original just lasted five years, 1970-74, whereas the current model has made it for 6 (2008-2013) so far.

    I wonder if they've made more new Challengers than the original? The original only sold well for the first year or so, before rising insurance rates, gasoline prices, looming government intervention, and shifting market tastes started killing off performance cars in general. Plus, it wasn't long before people discovered that a Demon or Duster would beat a Challenger (or Barracuda) engine for engine, and was a lot cheaper to buy. Heck, there was one year, 1975 I think, that a Duster 360 was actually the fastest Big-Three car available. Quicker than a Camaro, Trans Am, or even a Corvette.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,776
    edited July 2013
    Yeah, the Challenger is the one comparable to the Mustang and Camaro. the Charger is more in a class by itself. Maybe the Taurus get cross-shopped with it. Still surprised by the number though; that's a lot of cars for any manufacturer.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,773
    But does this Challenger count?

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    :shades:
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,998
    I was thinking of that one as well. I think they sold from 1978-83, so the new Charger would have to make it through 2014 to beat that one.

    Those little Mitsubishi-based Challengers were probably considered an insult to the Challenger name, but I kinda liked them. There was a Plymouth version as well, called the Sapporo. I don't think Mitsubishi sold them under their own name though, at least not in the US market.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,773
    edited July 2013
    I'd bet the current Challenger will make it past 2014, unless Fiat does away with the Dodge brand or something. And then it just becomes a Chrysler.

    The Mitsu Challenger was badged as Galant when wearing the diamond badge. I don't think USA got the Galant until around 1987. Those little coupes were well styled for the time, and a true hardtop is always a nice thing to see.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,379
    edited July 2013
    Challenger June = 5,101
    YTD Challenger = 29,982

    I'm sure fleet has to do with the Charger as I see alot of Police cars in Charger trim. :)
    Challenger Sales
    2008 = 17,423
    2009 =25,852
    2010 = 36,791
    2011 = 39,534
    2012 = 43,119

    I still believe it is a better take on the retro look vs. the Mustang and the Camaro.

    Mustang is still the all-time King to Mr. Shocker's dismay! ;)

    Ford Mustang outsells rival Chevrolet Camaro

    Ford's chief sales number keeper, Erich Merkle, likes to point out that Mustang outsells Camaro by a wide margin over the longer term. Since 2004, Ford has sold 1,020,123 Mustangs worldwide. Chevrolet sold 345,026. Of course, during much that time, the Camaro was on ice, not being produced.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,178
    I should know! Now I've got a big paint chip missing off the decklid of my Mercury Grand Marquis! :mad: A lot of cars were literally falling apart after WWII because nobody could buy new cars from 1942 through 1945.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,178
    A neighbor's mother just got a new red Cruze the other week.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,178
    Malibus are dirt common around here. I see one on every other block on my way to work.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,776
    "Americans aren't turning their backs on cars, they are just getting smarter about how they use them. With gasoline more expensive and fitness more valued, they are more willing to leave their car in the garage and walk or bike or car-share on short trips. They still support Detroit, but they also have access to the widest variety of makes and models -- half of them import brands -- in recent history, and all of them available at the most reasonable prices anywhere in the world."

    America's love affair with its cars is far from over (CNN)

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  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    During most of my lifetime, I remember cars being rather unique by brand. Nothing else really looked much like a 57 Chevrolet, a 65 Mustang or a 68 Roadrunner, etc.

    Sure, GM models resembled each other to an extent, as did Ford and Chrysler, but there wasn't a lot of confusion between manufacturers.

    Maybe its just me and my age, but today so many cars resemble other manufacturers models that I sometimes find it difficult to make out the manufacturer without getting really close to the vehicle.... Sometimes I actually have to see the model name on the car to know who made it.

    Some confusion is inevitable, I guess, as the laws of aerodynamics are the same for every car maker.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,998
    Sure, GM models resembled each other to an extent, as did Ford and Chrysler, but there wasn't a lot of confusion between manufacturers.

    Sometimes I would see a slight similarity across manufacturers, as if one was inspired a bit by the other. For example, to me a '61-62 Cadillac seems just a faint bit Ford-ish in the grille. A '65 Comet, with its stacked headlights and split grille, makes me think a bit of a Pontiac Whenever I see a late 60's Rambler Rebel (or I guess, AMC by that time?) it makes me think of a late 60's Mopar intermediate, even though I believe the Rebel was all-new for '67, so it beat out the Mopars by a year.

    But, by and large yeah, they had much more individuality than they do today. But, the manufacturers can still come up with products like a Challenger, Charger, Beetle, and Mustang, which bear a strong resemblance to their ancestors, yet still manage to be aerodynamic.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,205
    edited July 2013
    Good points! Difficulties in identifying different manufacturers, or even different models and trim levels, is a fairly recent phenomenon for me too.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,998
    Difficulties in identifying different manufacturers, or even different models and trim levels, is a fairly recent phenomenon for me too.

    If you go back far enough, I have trouble identifying a lot of the really old cars, too. For instance, the other day when we dropped my Buick off at the mechanic for its brake work, they had an old 30's car on their lot that looked like it had been modified a bit. I guessed it was some kind of GM product, but my uncle had to actually walk over to it to tell that it was a Chevy. And today, when I picked up the Buick from the mechanic, they had that car in the shop, and I asked the mechanic about it. He said that he thought it was a '37 Chevy.

    But then, they had a '55 Bel Air hardtop coupe sitting out in their yard, and when I saw it, it was instantly recognizable as such.

    I wonder, if the younger generations of today can tell today's more modern cars apart better than we can? And perhaps, older generations could differentiate among those older cars better than we can as well, because they were more into them?

    I used to keep up with all the styling changes when I was younger, but anymore, it just seems like everything goes by in a blur, and buying a new car seems more like a chore than an adventure.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    I wonder, if the younger generations of today can tell today's more modern cars apart better than we can? And perhaps, older generations could differentiate among those older cars better than we can as well, because they were more into them?

    I dunno....

    From what interaction I've had with my children's generation, the vast majority of young people today aren't interested very much in automobiles, other than a device to get them where they want to go. I think the increase in the young people today NOT getting, or delaying getting their DL's supports that POV.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    I'm sure a lot of young people take a more keen interest in researching automobiles after owning a bad one, much like my experience.

    Frankly, with all the available research and data out there, there is no excuse to end up with something you'll regret, other than laziness.

    There are still people out there that think a sales person has their interests in mind.
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