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Is Tesla A Game Changer?

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    edited November 2013
    Last night on TGUSA, they tested an S Performance vs a standard spec 8 year old design (outgoing model, W221) S550 around a track. The Tesla beat it by something like 3 seconds. I was expecting more.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    edited November 2013
    I actually parked next to a Tesla the other day and didn't even notice it until I walked to my car on the way back from the store. When a Ferrari is parked next to me, I notice it---but the Tesla looks like a Buick to me.

    It'll get REAL interesting for Tesla if they can pull off the Model E for $35,000 MSRP.

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  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,178
    but the Tesla looks like a Buick to me.

    Not really, I drive a 2011 Buick LaCrosse CXS, in the same color depicted above, and it looks nothing like the Tesla.

    By the way, Tesla's stock took a beating yesterday, down some $24 per share, even after reporting better than expected third quarter earnings and deliveries.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Looks a lot like it in the photos--roof arc, grille size, lower valence, wheels, rear haunches. I bet I could switch badges and fool 99% of the general public.

    Well the stock price has always been ridiculous. It's just rationalizing. It doesn't mean the company is in trouble. TSLA acts like a tech stock, not an auto stock.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    And so it continues

    I wonder how the stock pumpers and fanboys will explain it away. I wonder how many 2013 7er/S-class/A8s caught fire yesterday. Looks like there might be some kind of design flaw.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,530
    edited November 2013
    The flaw would be the huge battery pack across the entire underside of the car (over eight feet long, about five feet wide). Once it's damaged, you can't 'drain off' all the stored electrical energy. I'd hate to be a fire fighter putting water on it...bzzzzt!
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    but .....but....it's the "safest car in the world".

    Nothing can harm you. Here, wear this ring....:)

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    "Is there a problem with the battery pack, the thing everyone is concerned about? We don't have enough information to tell. We're not yet certain if the pack was involved in the ignition of the third fire at all. But the confined nature of each fire is actually heartening. It tells me that the compartmentalization of the battery pack is preventing the spread of flames back under the cockpit, as designed."

    2013 Tesla Model S: Looking at the Battery Pack From Below

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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,530
    Thanks for the link, I had given up on the car reviews when IL went away. Also in the article, the S drops down at highway speed to reduce already low ground clearance even more, for aero benefits. Makes the battery pack that much more vulnerable...
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    A reporter would like to speak to a New York resident who is going to buy a Tesla within the next three months. If you live in the New York area, are currently shopping for a Tesla and plan to buy by the end of January, please send your daytime contact info to pr@edmunds.com no later than the end of business Thursday, November 21, 2013.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    George Clooney Trash-Talks His 2008 Tesla Roadster

    And the pushback on the third fire is pretty fierce.

    Man in Tesla Model S fire: 'I'd buy another one' (CNET)

    And from Wired, "While there are an average of 150,000 car fires in the U.S. each year, with only 19,000 Model S sedans on the road, having three vehicles catch fire in six weeks has garnered plenty of attention.

    Punctuating that point is the fact that neither the Nissan Leaf EV (approximately 70,000 sold) or the Chevrolet Volt gas-electric hybrid (around 50,000 sold) have suffered similar fires."

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    Now that I think about it, the next (easy?) step would be for Tesla to turn off the suspension lowering feature for highway driving while they investigate further. That's probably something they could do via software.

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Of course in doing that, it's going to affect range. There's that word again when we chat electrics..
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Although the Tesla is a far better product than the Tucker ever was, and Musk much more credentialed than Preston Tucker, it is fascinating how these two cars both produced a kind of drama that parallels the other. First Tucker is lauded, then the critics appear, and he goes on the defensive, and then he creates more and more "stunts" to prove the car's worth and then....??

    Well here's where the story is different, in that Musk is not a flim-flam man and he has produced a significant number of cars.

    The eventual outcome? Who can say?

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    True..I'm gonna be watching.

    But cheap shots and excuses he tries on from time to time, has me finding it more and more difficult to wish them well.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Well after what the media did to the Corvair, the Audi 5000 and the Prius, I don't blame him for being freaked out.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    edited November 2013
    Prius?

    If you're referring to SUA, that issue isn't really centered on hybrids I don't think. That hit people with 4Runners, RAV4s and ES350s and other Toyotas and Lexi. I don't think Officer Saylor's loaner ES350 was a hybrid.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    I wonder if he'd buy another without the taxpayer supported gift on an 80K+ car, or if he owns stock and wants to keep the bubble bubbly.

    There's a design flaw, a genius like Musk should address it rather than issue dumb statements.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    Over-50 Toyota drivers. The media needs to do an expose ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    edited November 2013
    Musk is good at spreading pixie dust, and every now and then he really REALLY overdoes it, and stretches credibility.

    PRIUS---not UA, but that big big recall for brake defects. I guess everyone has forgotten it by now.

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    Does anyone know the extent the fires are having on Model S resale values, as this is potentially very significant to current owners as well as sales and profitability for the company?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    edited November 2013
    "The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Tuesday that it will investigate why two of the expensive Tesla Model S sporty hatchbacks have caught fire this year following accidents in which the battery casing that serves as the undercarriage of the car cracked open.

    Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said the automaker requested the investigation to refute fears that electric cars are more prone to fires than other vehicles.

    The automaker is taking advantage of the car’s electronic capabilities to execute a wireless update to the air suspension that will result in greater ground clearance at highway speeds, Musk said."

    NHTSA launches investigation into Tesla Model S fires (LA Times)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    Are these things even on the secondary market yet? I thought Tesla had some kind of guaranteed value program.

    I wonder how Fisker Karma values have fared.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    edited November 2013
    Tesla opened at 119 today. The reason? Some call it Tesla's use of "non-standard financial metrics". One that comes to mind is showing 100% of lease income as revenue up front. Investors don't like that once they find out.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    Looks like their goofy accounting standards won't be able to woo people forever. Kind of a shame, it is still a cool car, but so many sketchy people and claims involved with it.

    I'm still curious to see how it would fare without the undefendable $7500 gift and other subsidies.
  • Blankenship has left the building...

    Top exec calls it quits
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,135
    And it even sounds like Elon is getting tired of all the attention.

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk: We Get Way Too Much Attention (Consumerist)

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    Rebounding? You must be looking at a different graph than I am.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    I think once everyone sobers up, including owners, they'll come to realize that driving an EV is still a pain in the butt at times. Look at it this way: you need to spend 1 minute of fill time for every 10 miles you drive. Would you really consent to that in a gasoline car?

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