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Acura CL

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  • mjc440mjc440 Posts: 76
    Does anyone out there know why Acura pulled the foglights from the 2003 CL? The 2001-02 CLs had foglights - the 2003 has just a blank space there. The 2003 TL still has them.
  • The lights you are referring to are NOT fog lights. They are nothing but small insignificant marker lights. The CL and CL-S do not have fog lights. They were probably removed for 2003 because they did nothing but look "yellow-ish" compared to the pure white headlamps.
    The TL has foglights but not the CL. Lee in Miami
  • IMHO, the 03 CL front end looks much better without them. The 03 version with less chrome looks much more sporty and aggressive. Well at least in the darker colors. (Black, Anthro, Blue and Red)
  • climatecontrol, I'm in a similar situation. But before anything else, Acura has a national APR promo of 4.9%/5 years for pre-owneds. It's just roughly $6/month more over a 3.9% APR - easily overcome when negotiating at purchase prime-time (meaning, month-end).

    Over the model options you mentioned, for me it would be a toss-up between the BMW 3-series (if automatic) and the CL. The Bimmers are supposed to be more expensive to maintain but what's going against the CL is its rumored phase-out, which could depress its resale value and hence its Total Cost to Own.

    The Maxima has rear beam suspension along with its unfavorable perceptions; I would rank this car 3rd. And the Lincoln LS, one of the better conceived American cars, would be a last choice.
  • mjc440mjc440 Posts: 76
    Alarmpro & JoeandCarol2 -

    You're right, I dug up an '02 CL brochure and there's no mention of foglights. Like you said they're not foglights but parking lights. I've always wondered why those lights were yellowish and not at all bright.

    Thanks.
  • I'm in the near future (1 month or so) I intend on purchasing the 03 CL-S. Is the C-S going to be available in 04? Can't find any info on the 04 CL-S, but can find info on the 04 TL. Anybody in the know?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I don't think they are even parking lights 'cause when you turn the lights on to parking lights, those don't even come on. My service manager calls them exactly as alarmpro did -- markers. Just what they are supposed to do, I don't know! I agree they are useless.
  • I am interested in whether Shehzad ever received a response to his question about the transmission problems, particularly whether the problem is only for those built before May, 2002? Also, shehzad, did you purchase one?
  • hello all. i had a master plan when i bought my 2001 cl in the summer of 2001. i had planned to
    keep this car for at least 10 years. there are more financial factors that go into the master plan that i will not divulge. weeks after i purchased the car, i sensed some slippage with the transmission. i brought the car in to the dealership immediately. the service manager and i went out for a drive and the car did not exhibit any further slippage that day or at any time thereafter. a few months ago i learned about the defective transmissions. my car is among the other acuras with this potential problem. acura has addressed the issue by extending the warranty. i wonder if the transmission will go after the (newly) extended warranty expires and will cost me thousands. in the back of my mind lingers the thought of the supposed slippage that occurred 14 months ago. i think of the resale value slipping more than it would otherwise given the potential for the transmission to go. should i unload this car? what would some of you do in such a situation? i'm disappointed in the fuel economy. i'm not too happy to $1.90 per gallon
    (can't fault the cl for that). i'm bummed that my bumper has a gaping hole in the front bumper
    from making slight contact in sub-zero weather with a snow bank. the oblong hole is the length of my foot and a few inches wider than my foot. i am bummed out what with is going down with
    my 2001 acura cl.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    What did the "slippage" feel like?

    But then if it hasn't slipped again in the almost 2 years that you've had the car, maybe yours isn't one of the ones with problems. Also, the extended warranty is for 100,000 miles or 7 years. If your tranny can last that long, then you've pretty well gotten your money's worth, IMO.
  • I haven't seen an answer yet on "Leekva's" question on the future of the CL beyond 2003.

    Anyone have an idea?
  • I bought a 2003 CL last October and it now has 5500 miles on it. So far this car has no problems. But one thing I am not so satisfied with is the brake. I mean it works of course. But It is just not as strong and responsive as I would like. Strange thing is that my friend's 2003 TL (bought on the same day as mine) has a totally different feel on the brake - definitely more responsive, effortless. As a result, his TL just feels lighter than my CL. What do you think? If I take it to dealer to get the brake adjusted, is it under warranty?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think brake adjustments are generally not considered a warranty item, but within the first 12 months of purchase, they'd do it for you free.
  • I am getting an offer for a 98 Acura 3.0 Permium CL with 49.5K mi on it for 12,200. From the Edmunds TMV value this is pretty good considering I am buying from a dealer. My only concern is that the car is out of warranty and if something goes wrong then it might be quite expensive to repair.
    I guess Acuras in general are known for their reliability -- Consumer Report also mentiones 98 Cls as above average reliability - but I was wondering if there is anything specific that I should be worried about for a vehicle from that model year -- then I might have the dealer or a mechanic look into it before I buy the car. I did find that the brake felt pretty soft - but should it be wearing out this early ?
    Any comments/suggestions welcome. Thanks
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The automatic transmission possibly?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    When the transmission is in sportshift mode, does the "D5" indicator on the dash stay lighted?
  • To leekva and basset3,

    Sadly, it looks like there won't be a 2004 CL, and that 2003 may well be the last of it. There have been no "official" announcements from Honda yet (they historically are very tight-lipped about things until the very last moments), but various bits of evidence collectively seem to point to this conclusion (gathered form the www.acura-cl.com site):

    - Someone who works inside the Acura CL plant in Ohio confirmed that there is no CL planned for 2004

    - The TL has been redesigned from 2004. The CL is built on the TL platform. Thus, the current CL could not be continued into 2004, since the platform has been changed. Honda does not seem to have developed a 2-door variant of the new TL platform.

    - CL sales have been disappointing, and continuing to drop - less than 700 were sold in January, for an annualized run rate of less than 7,000/year. Honda has previously hinted that they needed to sell at leadt 20,000-30,000/year to make it profitable.

    - Some people have reported that dealers have told them they are no longer taking orders for CL's to be built to spec. This suggests that the production run may be nearing its end.

    So, as much as some of us absolutely love our CL's (myself included - my wife and I have a matching pair of 2001's), it looks like it may well be discontinued.

    Just when I was hoping to trade in one of our 2001's for a new Type S 6-speed manual...

    Nick
  • An internal newsletter to employees at the plant where the CL is built recently announced that the last CL will be built in June, after which the model is discontinued (this was supposed to be kept confidential within the plant).

    So, unfortunately, it seems the CL is really gone.

    I guess I'll have to keep mine for a long time....

    Nick
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I wonder how much further the price of a new CL-S 6-speed will drop. $1500 below invoice and I might be interested... that's a heck of a lot of car for a low price...
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    althought I can't say I disagree with Honda's decision to discontinue the CL. I've always thought the car was too big and heavy to be a sporty coupe yet not really luxurious and plush enough to be a grand touring coupe. And to top it off, the earlier ones had build quality problems.

    But I wonder if selling prices (TMV) would actually go up once the public catches wind that the '03 would be the last of the breed? People that have been undecided now figure it's now or never.
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