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  • mrdeeenomrdeeeno Posts: 53
    oh, and i had my bumper fixed (it had the film between the body and bumper sticking out.

    and the right side of my hood was lower at the front by a 1/8", which i fixed myself by just unscrewing the "pad" underneath 1/2 turn.

    that's it...all my other body panels and such match up...and i had one of the first ones out.

    the dealer is another story though, so don't get me started on that.
  • All good points. Yes, every car has it's troubles. My Toyota Solara has not been problem free, but when it's 100% it is a fantastic car.
    I take it that most the flaws outlined in this forum will addressed with the 2002 model?
    I have tried to get info on the 2002 CL-S from Acura, but there is no info. I am curious as to what might be new to the 2002 model. I know Honda will make minor changes to tail lights and add/change colors from year to year, and usually make the major body style changes every 3-4 years. Not sure if this is the same with Acura.
    As for the IS300... I am sure it has it's flaws as well. The only reason I am considering it is because of the 4-doors. I like the TL-S, but I can get a better deal on a IS and I like the look of the IS better. Besides the IS, as with the CL are two different kinds of cars.
    Any info on the 2002 CL-S would be appreciated. Also, has anyone seen a CL-S in blue? I have never seen one on a lot before and I am just curious how the car looks in blue. I usually avoid the darker colors, but I do like the color in the brochure.
    Thanks-PNC
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    I have had my CL-S for a month now and not a SINGLE complaint, problem or rattle! I hope it stays that way. Gas mileage for these first 2,100 miles has never averaged less then 21.1. I love driving this car, but I have to slow down so I don't hit my yearly limit of 15,000! ;-))

    If you go to the acura-cl.com forum, there is a picture of the new blue. I saw one in FL last week at the dealer in West Palm Beach. Looks sharp.

    fastdriver

    PS That forum is a lot more active then this one.
  • Fastdriver-
    Can you post the link for the pic of the blue CL? I couldn't find it on the site.
    Thanks-
    PNC
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    phatnastycat-


    It WASN'T easy, but try this- http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003341.html


    fastdriver

  • I really appreciate that link. I love the blue. I had a blue car ('93 Nissan NX2000) once before. It looked great on the car, but chips and scratches were hard to hide. Since then I have stayed with metallics (golds, silvers and now a pearl white). They seem to hold up well and hide the unavoidable chips and door dings.
    I woul like to see Acura make the pearl white available with the 2002 CL-S like is available with the TL-S. Though that blue will be tempting. I'll have to see which catches me the most.
    Thanks again for the link and info.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    phatnastycat-

    No problem. It does look nice in person. Not sure if both the black and parchment interiors are available with this color or just the black. I think it would look good with the parchment.

    Has your Solara held up ok? Nice car. My aunt has a 99 SLE with all the options except the moonroof. She's in her 80's! LOL.... Only has about 8,000 miles on the car. If you click on my name, I have links to all my pics on the net. Not sure if the Solara is in any of them.

    fastdriver
  • Being a previous 1999 Acura 3.0CL owner, I have created a site for my 1990 BMW M3. If anyone wants to take a look at my new "baby" you can see it at:


    http://stevebmwm3.tripod.com


    Don't worry, I still have lots of respect for Honda/Acura products!


    Obi

  • My relationship with my Solara has been love/hate. I had a pulling problem with it for about 2-1/2 years that only recently seems to have been fixed. Outside of that problem, I love everything about the Solara. I'd even consider another one if I knew that it wouldn't be due for a redesign from Toyota during the next 3 years. I always like to get into a lease right at the beginning of car's design cycle. Call it a freakish desire, but I like to have the latest and greatest.
    I think the Solara is one of the best looking cars on the road. It rides great, and has one of the best factory installed stereos out there. The JBL system rocks!!! The Solara SLE is pretty loaded in options and quite a value for the price.
    I consider the Solara the top of the line in Toyota brand auto's, a Lexus with a "T" badge.
    I'd love to see Toyota put an HP boost in the next engine. I have heard 220, but I'd be nice to see 240+. Anyway....
    I think it is great that your Grandmother has one, especially at her age. She must be a young 80 :>)
    -PNC
  • tomsrtomsr Posts: 325
    I have 54k miles on my 98 CL and it has been
    flawless except for brakes wearing out.If I could
    change things I would reduce the turning radius,
    make the rear seat drop down for carrying large
    objects,and give it brighter headlights.I have had the oil changed every 3000 miles but am considering switching to synthetic oil and extending my oil change interval to 6000.Is this
    reasonable? I want to see how many miles I can
    squeeze out of this fine car.
  • ineto6ineto6 Posts: 161
    I used synthetic oil on my previous car for years and change the oil by myself - not fun changing oil filter for that four banger though. I can tell you that it is not a good idea for normal everyday driving - I do rev my car regularly. The advantage of synthetic oil is better performance at high rev and long distance driving. If you are going to leave the oil in for 6000 miles then it will get dirty due to normal wear - under most driving conditions there will be enough dirt collected for that long duration. Also, your car will use up some oil so you might have to add a quart or so if you are going to extend the oil change interval - by the time you drain the old oil at 6000 you might have less than 3 quarts if your car's capacity is around 4 quarts.

    As far as brighter highlights, the 2001 CL and newer have standard HID - I really like it.
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    I helped my girl friend lease a CL last week. I love the car, and am kind of wishing I'd visited the Acura dealer one month earlier, before I leased my car. She's even given me seat memory #2. (I must be the luckiest man on the face of the earth, or was that
    Lou Gehrig?)
    But seriously, I do have one problem with the CL. There is hardly any bass from the sound system. I'm not a big Bose fan to begin with. But, even so, there should definitely be more low end there, even from Bose speakers.
    It almost sounds as if the speakers are wired out of phase. The sound system in my new Chevy (Chevy, for cryin' out loud!) literally blows it away. It's not what I would expect in a car of this class.
    Has anybody else noticed this with their 2001 (or any year w/ Bose) CL? If so, were you able to correct it (I hope)?
    Thanks.
  • indysgold1indysgold1 Posts: 6
    I have had no problems with my CL-s.I bought my car in march of 2000.I got a bra for the front,but I only use the nose part that goes on the hood.I haven't had any problems with door dings.My car is sundance gold,people ask me all the time if i had it painted. The TL-S does come in blue,but not sundance gold and the CL-S comes in gold but not blue.I dont know why they dont offer some brighter colors.Who wants to blend in with everybody else.I think you can only get blue ones in Canada. phil
  • canadianclcanadiancl Posts: 1,078
    The sound from the CL-S Bose system is pretty flat. It is certainly no match for the Nissan Bose system.
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    "Flat" is not the problem. If it were only flat, it would be OK. The term "flat" is usually used by audio professionals to mean uncolored and accurate. I have to turn the bass all the way up just to approach flat.
    My girlfriend didn't like the styling of the Maxima at all, so I doubt if the stereo would have swayed her. Actually, she dislikes Japanese styling in general, and was originally going to buy an American car. I guess she settled for an American built Japanese car! (Bear in mind that she is Japanese.)
    I'm going to call Bose on Monday, and see what can be done. I have a working relationship with their Pro division. Maybe they can steer me in the right direction.
    I would imagine that a lot of folks would like to know a simple way to improve the stock sound system without resorting to subwoofers and huge amplifiers.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    indysgold1-


    They do make a blue now for the CL-S. It came out recently. I saw one a few weeks ago when I was in West Palm Beach, FL. There is a picture of one at http://www.acura-cl.com Try either a search for it- not sure how that works because I never used it- or try clicking on page 17 or so. The name, Aegan Blue, is in the title. I'm just thinking now- not sure if it's for the regular CL or the CL-S?? I have pics of my CL-S that I just got on March 28, 2001. So far, I'd have to say that it's the best car that I have ever owned. I think I've had some pretty nice cars over the years. I just want to get in it and drive ALL the time! I hit 2,500+ miles today since 3/28. If you click on my name above, you will find the link there.


    fastdriver

  • al2001al2001 Posts: 1
    I've taken both the CL and the S-type out for test drives, and found only two things that I really didn't like, but reviews don't generally mention them. First, the seats. They felt confining, with the side bolsters pushing into my back. I'm only 5'6" tall, and feel like my shoulder blades are being cut into. Also, the side mirrors are ridiculously large, blocking forward side vision. Anyone else have similar feelings? Did you get used to these things?
  • canadianclcanadiancl Posts: 1,078
    but that may be because I'm fairly slim. I too find forward side vision restricted but it never occurred to me the mirrors are bigger than normal. I always thought it was due to the design and location of the A pillar.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Posts: 1,078
    Gary, it'll be interesting what Bose has to say about the system. Let us know. BTW, how do mean you have a working relationship with them? You worked for them previously?
  • tomsrtomsr Posts: 325
    I agree the seats are not soft like a Buick but
    if you ever drive agressively they are appreciated
    more.A simple solution is to get sheepskin seat
    covers of a high quality which means thicker.I
    put just one on my 98 CL to reduce wear of the leather and it is more comfortable plus does not get hot.The other solution for me is to lose 50 lbs.
  • Get a Toyota Solara SLE. The JBL system provides you bass you can feel, and that is without cranking the bass up to full output.
    A good sound system is a MUST for me in a car, and I am extremely disappointed with the Bose system in the CL-S, enough that I may not buy the car unless improvements are made in 2002. I mean, yes the 260HP is awesome, but if you are stuck in traffic the majority of the time during you daily commute (like I am), you will get more use out of the stereo, than the engine.
  • ineto6ineto6 Posts: 161
    I had several fairly large sized people in my car's front passenger seat - I've asked and got no complains. Although, I want more lower back support. Maybe more side bolsters for more fun during turns.

    The sound system is ok to me since I don't listen to just the bass. If I want bass, then I'll crank up my home system. I'd rather listen to the engine sings. Side mirrors are fine and not blocking my front views. Although the large A-pillar tend to block my view a little when turning.
  • ineto6ineto6 Posts: 161
    another thing - I've read that the RSX's bass is probably better than the CL - shessssss... so let's all hope that the CL's future stereo will be better for all to stop whining :D
  • canadianclcanadiancl Posts: 1,078
    Stiff steering is good. The CL-S steering has very good "feel". I've come to really appreciate the CL-S's steering after recently test driving a couple of Infiniti I30's. The steering on the I30 seems inprecise with a vague on-centre feel by comparison. (The I30 seemed underpowered in comparison too!)
    It's normal that the front tires look underinflated due to the weight over the front, the low-profile tires and the radial "bulge".
  • garypengarypen Posts: 1,482
    Mr. Canada ;-), I work for an AV install company that is an authorized dealer and installer of Bose Professional products. I talked to the N. Cal rep, and he hooked me up with their automotive division in MA. They're very interested in what people are saying here and in the forums on acura-cl.com. I'm going to email them with the URL's. They are very sensitive to the brand value of the Bose name, and don't want to see anything negative associated with it.

    I'm not looking for super bass - just a normal supply of low end, which is just not available from her CL Bose system, currently. However, I did stop by an Acura dealer during lunch and listened to one on the lot. It sounded much better than hers, so it might just be defective speakers, amp, or maybe they wire some of them incorrectly at the factory. Sometimes the dealer staff cranks the stereos while they are detailing. Maybe they blew the woofers.

    I notice that some people are complaining about the seats. I find them to be quite comfortable. We have the standard CL, not S type, and find the smooth leather to be much more luxurious than the perforated type in the S. I also prefer the softer ride and steering over the S.

    The only other negative that I've found, if you can call it that, is the extremely light weight steel used in the trunk and hood, almost bordering on flimsy. It doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the car's rigid structure.

    Overall, though, the CL is an excellent value at under $26,000.
  • ineto6ineto6 Posts: 161
    Yes, I like the steering on the CL Type S as well. It is easy to park in a parking lot, unlike the looser feels of less sporty cars. Although, I wish the steering is a little tighter at high speeds. Going through a turn at high speed and you'll appreciate tighter steering.

    The bad thing about perforated leather is when you have to clean them - need a toothpick to get the conditioner out of the holes or just let it sit like that.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    garypen-


    Thanks for the info. I have a 2001 CL-S that I purchased on 3/28/01. I love this car compared to the 1999 Motor Trend Car of the Year that I drove before this. As a matter of fact, I got rid of that car 3 months early because I did not want it in MY name at 36,000 miles with no warranty.


    Anyway, I digress, as usual. Years ago, to me, a stereo was a stereo. I'm no audiophile. Then, I bought a 1994 Infiniti J-30 that had a BOSE radio! WOW! Could I notice the difference in sound! Beautiful. This is my second car with a BOSE system. I don't think this one is as good as the one in my Infiniti. It's HEAD over heels better then the 360 watt, 11 speaker, Infinity upgraded system that was in my 300M, but the CL radio doesn't seem the same as my Infiniti J-30. It's true- there is no "boom-boom" bass sound. I don't usually listen to music booming like that, but I think it's needs more bass too. Do you think BOSE knows this and just builds the radios to Acura's specs or do you think there is something that they can do to improve this "problem"? My car has NOT been to the dealer yet, so they couldn't have blown any speakers or anything. I could live with it, but if it could be made better, that would be nice. What would you suggest we do? Do the Acura dealers have BOSE "specialists" that could check this out or should we call/e-mail BOSE?


    I know that many people in the http://www.acura-cl.com forum complain about the lack of bass. They can't all have defective radios or blown speakers!


    Thanks.


    fastdriver

  • jrentjrent Posts: 15
    I traded my '96 J30 in on the CL/S. I also noticed a big difference in the sound system, J30 was much better. My solution has been to leave the windows down Bose OFF and listen to the engine, of course this may change as the newness wears off, I've only had CL/S since March 15
  • obiwankenobi1obiwankenobi1 Posts: 290
    Hey, what can we say? My dad's J30t is still the only car in our family that had the best stock stereo ever. I used to sit in the garage and listen to CD's in the car because of how great the sound was.

    I will admit, I put an aftermarket Nakamichi In-Dash CD player in my 90 BMW M3. Now THAT system sounds better than my 99 Acura CL ever was. Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus have always had crappy sound systems.

    Obi
    1990 BMW M3 Alpinweiss II
  • rickas47rickas47 Posts: 2
    I went looking for new vehicle last weekend. We drove a CL-S and pretty much fell in love with it. We never considered an Acura, the nearest dealer is 145 miles away. What is the general consensus on unscheduled maintence problems early on. Would i be making the trip every other week to resolve problems? Can (heaven forbid) the local Honda dealer service an Acura (didn't think so).
    I'd probably have similar problems with any of the other cars that we are considering. Also one dealer was offering $2800 under MSRP. Is this a usual offer or is it year end clearance price?
    Finally any known reasons to wait for a 2002? What changes are in store?
    Thanx for your time.
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