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GoDucks, you are correct... I reside and work about 30 minutes west of Portland.
The only difference I can glean between my JGC experience, and those forlorn tales on the GC board, are that I have a 4.0L straight 6... NOT the V6/V8 Chrysler engine. This premise is substantiated by the fact that during my last service visit the mechanics at my dealership mentioned to me that they see a lot of problems with the V6 and V8's. I am told the straight 6 is an original Jeep engine... have no idea what validity that holds.
Not had any brake issues... over 40K miles and still on original pads/rotors. The Dealer does my tire rotations... in addition to everything else. Based on knowledge from the manufacturer I work for now, over lugging the nuts can cause warped rotors... maybe? Just a thought...
**waves Hi to Alee**
Going... don't want to overstay my welcome )
Tara
Trey, thanks for the link on the Ultimate Tire stuff... will make use of that this weekend.
Take care all,
Tara
How about getting into the chat with us tonight? That would be great!
Take care, and don't be such a stranger around here any more.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
you can post as long as a message that you want too.
join us in chat tonight.
see you guys there!
snut
terry
-twylie
Trey, never heard about going easy on the brakes when they are hot... but that makes sense. While I drive like a bat outta heck, I am conscious about how I brake... to the point that I will shift down into second rather than ride my brakes down a hill. (Saw a technical demonstration on how literally red hot rotors can get from people who double foot etc. and every time I reach for the brake pedal that flashes in my mind.) Brake issues comprise maybe 15% of our calls... and I don't work for Ford. Seems as though that is a universal industry challenge... like the paint was on 88-92 American-made vehicles.
**blows a kiss to Terry** I know Sweetie... was teasing myself too. In my line of work you gotta be able to laugh at yourself.
Unlikely about Chat tonight... I am at the office until 9 or 10pm my time.
Happy Thursday!
Tara
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tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Wanted to welcome all the newbies or whatever you wanna be called BIG JEEP WAVE to all you guys... and gal. Would love to see some pics (yes, even of the Grand Cherokee!)
I'm going to the prom... unfortunatly not with my girlfriend Alee (don't ask) but with one of my friends... gonna be funny. We're taking my jeep so I'm going to bring a step stool so she can get in and out of my jeep with her dress on, since it's been lifted and all ya know. I'll have to take pics of this! LOL
Any one complaining about the gas milage... try 11 MPG!!! HA! Got yall all beat
About the warped rotors... yes it happens because over torqing the lugs, it also happens from allowing the brakes to heat up the be cooled off quickly... this happened to me from a downhill decent into a creek crossing... warped one of my rotors and had to be replace.
Happy Jeepin'
My Thelma Jane is white too, but I have the black top.
Your purchase at invoice is as good as anyone is getting and better than most.
Welcome to the group!
I assume from your username that you are a female of the species?
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I do have pictures of Baby, being a proud Mama... but no scanner. Will ponder that request from Spyrodragon. (Was very nice of him to include the GC interloper in the invitation. **wink**)
And a Question: In the past week I've had two conflicting pieces of advice relative to my 4WD:
Source A, a Brand Specialist where I work (other manufacturer), says I should run my Jeep in full 4WD, once a month, for at least 10 miles. He did say that if I cannot get into mud, that a straight patch of freeway would be fine.
Source B, Daddy, says that is insane; that Source A is providing that info based on the old locking hubs system... and that my 4WD stays lubed (sounds kinda kinky to me) all the time, so no need for the monthly run.
To date Baby has seen minimal 4WD action. A little bit in Olympia getting to my grandparents house that is up a "trail" (and I am being generous). Mostly I use Part Time in snotty weather... feels like a reluctant cat being picked up off of carpet when I hit a slickery spot. Rarely even use that though as I tote around 300#'s of gravel behind the rear seat in the winter... the extra weight providing enough gription that I rarely mess with the 4WD shift.
So New Friends: Obviously I am anxious to go play, but relative to vehicle maintenance: Bull or real about Baby needing a monthly 4WD run?
Tara
As with all my ramblings; just my opinion.
Wishing all a GREAT Jeep weekend! Warm weather, clear skies, and muddy trails...
-twylie
i've had the crud the past few days..felt terrible. anyway what did I miss?
Great pic of Thelma Tsjay!!..You really need to get a soft top..I hope I have help getting my hard top off when or if I get my Jeep.
Keep posting guys & gal...
Take care!
Snut!
Tonkadave, when did you order your Jeep?
Yes it is good to run your jeep in 4wheel drive at least once a month, maybe not for your jeep but for you! Get out and enjoy the outdoors. Dry pavement doesn't hurt your transfer case unless you turn. Even then it's not going to really damage anything unless you drive alot on dry pavement in 4wd. You'll feel it skipping or hopping. No that's not normal terrain for a STOCK TJ but with the sway bars disconnected Alee did just fine! Very impressive what those little jeeps can do. I wouldn't suggest doing some of those things in a stock GC just because of the ground clearance to the wheel base length, probably would bottom-out alot. But moderate trails are tons of fun too. Give it a try sometime
Harley:
I havn't been on that Jamboree but I can promise you that all of them are fun. Very enjoyable. Each of the Jamboree's have trails from everything for stock jeeps to ones with 4" of lift and 35" tires... Enjoy!
Happy Jeepin'
What I gathered is that running in 4WD at least once a month couldn't hurt... unless I try to get fancy on dry pavement. Sounds as though dry pavement should be okay, but there is a likely hood I could do more harm than good (like if I end up in a tight spot and have to do some fancy maneuvering). So looks like I need to find a convenient patch of muck... all I have around me are fields of grass (for seeds). Good sand is a couple of hours away on the Oregon coast. **sigh**
Craig, perhaps I will call my Dealer. They are so nice to me, I didn't want to bug them with what I thought was going to be a "stupid" question... but based on the mixed input here, perhaps it is not such a dumb one after all. And, because I enjoy Baby so much, I want to do anything I can to keep her a long, long time. Will call them tomorrow and offer their insight here. While you all have Wranglers, my engine is the same size, and I bet our 4WD systems are similar... so we probably share a lot of common powertrain components.
Trey... interesting insight on the AC. My GC does have a separate button to push... will turn that on tomorrow (it has been months) and hope for the best.
Spyro... loved the mental health parallel to 4WD. I currently run to get that regular endorphin hit, but in reading highlights and looking at those amazing pictures Alee provided (I also nosed around your web site) I can see how that would be an adrenaline rush.
Tonkadave and dubs... you two are so cute... I have visions of the both of you sleeping with your new Jeeps the first night you get them. Keep sharing the updates... makes me smile to read the almost childlike anticipation.
Washing/Detailing Baby tomorrow... anyone want to help?
) Take care Friends,
Tara
(Terry... this one wasn't too long, was it? ;o) )
I once owned a '99 GCL 4 x4 with the SelecTrac four wheel drive system. Those babies have a "full time" four wheel drive position, and, as the name implies, you can drive full time in that position without hurting anything. In that position, you are still mostly pulling with the rear wheels until you get into a low traction situation.
They also have a "part time" four wheel drive position, and if you will check your owners manual, you will find that you are warned not to drive in that postion on dry paved roads.
Wranglers only have the part time four wheel drive, so they should NOT be driven in four wheel drive except in slippery conditions.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
-cwk.
I ordered the jeep from the factory two years ago, after a lot of homework. The ratio was the elusive factor to unravel.
Two friends of mine had '98 Six Cylinder Saharas with the Auto Transmission, along with the 30" tires and the HD shocks. They bought these jeeps off of dealer lots. After a lot of home work, I concluded that this 30" tire "Canyon" package also included the 3.73 rear end ratio. (note: every six cylinder engine new jeep I have seen recently on dealer lots here in Central Georgia has the "Canyon" package.)
My friends liked their jeeps except for gas mileage--14 MPG was the reported highway mileage from both.
I was planning on using my jeep for hunting--on our hunting lease, and in GA wildlife management areas. I concluded that I would always be on a road--unpaved--but still a road of some kind. I decided that the stock Sport jeep with 28" tires and the 3.07 ratio would suffice. After two years, I have navigated a lot of muddy/bumpy roads with 4WD, but never had problems--I have never been stuck.
Back to the elusive 3.07 ratio: I told the dealer that I wanted the standard 3.07. However, there is no ratio documentation on the sticker, inside door plate, or any documentation that came with the jeep. Per a comment on this forum, I found a metal tab sticking up on the rear end differential housing that had "3.07" stamped in the corner.
A question has been asked about RPMs and mileage with the stock Sport, 3.07 ratio, and 28" tires; here is my experience:
55MPH: 2050-2100 PM
60MPH: 2250 PM
70MPH: 2600-2650 PM
(note: the tach is calibrated in 250 PM increments; some readings are estimates.)
I am a conservative driver on the highway with the jeep, and stay in the high 50s-low 60s. Generally, I get mid-teen mileage around town and low 20s on the highway. Today, I went to Griffin GA; 130 miles @ 60 MPH on cruise control, and 15 miles on back roads: I got 22.5 MPH on this trip.
The above summarizes my experiences. I am glad that I ordered the 3.07 ratio as it is adequate for my needs and results in reasonable gas mileage. Question: any idea the extent to which cruise control impacts gas mileage?
Also, the six cylinder engine was reported as updated for the year 2000--does anyone have any positive or negative impacts of this update?
One last possible mileage impact: jeeps for delivery to California, and certain other states, are calibrated to meet California's emission standards--mine is not one of these. Does anyone know if meeting such standards impacts gas mileage?
Best Regards,
John Thurlow
My Jeep GCL, does not need to be run in 4WD, except for the Mental Health benefits Spyro alluded to. ) However, should I choose to just run that lever through the paces, using Part Time won't hurt on the freeway, because it won't engage unless it gets slippery; and apparently using Full 4WD won't hurt either. (Thought he was at a loss to explain to me why... just assured me it wouldn't hurt anything.) Lastly, James told me that he had never heard that recommendation relative to any Jeep product. Interesting...
Did some errand running with Mom, and found a Sahara parked next to my Baby when we came out of one store. That thing was HUGE! Beautiful though.. dark green with a tan top. Tires half again larger, making it significantly taller than Baby, the wheel base only maybe a foot shorter. ) Based on the enthusiasm from this crowd, nice to know I am not the only one who smiles when my Jeep gets some parking lot visit time with another of the family.
Take care all... and thanks again. )
Tara
-twylie
Last night, we took the Jeep to a bonfire party. The new Jeep provided the tunes. The best part was getting to climb a big hill leading up to the party. The hill was almost 40 degrees and I climbed it in 4LO (just because I didn't have any other occasion to use it yet). I later went back up it in 4HI, but in 4LO, it feels like you could climb a wall! Coming down the hill in 4LO was a treat in that I let it idle down in 1st gear and just crept along, allowing the engine to slow our descent. Everone else had to take a pass and go around the long way and one highlight was watching a friend try to climb it in their CRV. After 2 failed attempts, I yelled to him that I had a strap and could pull him up if he wanted! He later acknowledged that the CRV was fine for suburban roads but wasn't a 4 wheeler. I then said, "but at least you can take the top off... No, wait a minute, that's out Jeep, too." He said the only way he'd forgive me for being so cruel was if I'd let him drive.
-twylie
From a careful reading of the Jeep catalog and Edmund's web site on options, I believe the following applies:
If you get the stock 5-speed Sport with 28" tires, and no additional rear end options, then the 3.07 is standard.
However, with the above stock jeep, I believe you can request the 3.73 at no extra cost.
If you order any of the following with your five speed, then the 3.73 is included: 1/ DANA 44-3 rear axle 2/ 30" Tire and Wheel Group 3/ Trac-Loc and ABS ordered together
If you wish to buy a jeep with the 3.07 from a dealer's new jeep inventory, it is tough to find one. Every new six cylinder engine jeep I have seen on a dealer's lot here in Central Georgia has the 30" "Canyon" option. (This probably is a high profit margin option for the dealers)
I live in Warner Robins; I am retired from the Air Force.
Best Regards,
John Thurlow
It has sure been quiet in here the last couple days, so your posts were especially welcome.
Nothing more boring than a discussion group with no discussions!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Scomo
Just my 2cents worth.
Madman
By the way, welcome (belated) to tnt... and I also do not have a JEEP (still considering...)
Here's what I have seen in these postings, and others regarding price.
The $500 rebate is scheduled to end on April 30, so act fast. You can still get the rebate, as long as you order before it ends. I don't know what will happen after April 30. It could be extended, increased, decreased, or dropped altogether. One dealer I talked to thought it would be dropped since sales, especially summer fun vehicles like Wranglers, typically increase during the summer. Although if sales really are down 30%, it could really make the rebates better.
Regarding the destination fees, those are typically included as part of the invoice price. For Wranglers, it's typically $585. The advertising fees are a different story. Some dealers will not negotiate on that at all, and others will. Shop around.
Bottom line, you should be able to pay pretty close to or right at invoice price. (Dealers will define invoice price differently.) With the rebate, I paid $300 over invoice(with $585 destination fee), which coincides with a $300 "Chrysler National & Zone Advertising Charge."
Good luck. Keep the questions coming. And keep us posted.
Madman
Scomo
Mike
how is the lift? Are you still satisfied with it? I'm really itching to get mine setup...I priced out all the parts i think i would need and came to around 2700$. That was with the SYE and new driveshaft...one other question, what shocks did you buy? TeraFlex or other brand?
The last post you said your mpg was down to like 11 or so. That sounds pretty low...might make me change my mind or at least hold off.
Later on...hope your tops off? Finally got mine down for all day and tomorrow i think. The garvin rack works great being able to tilt and all. Talk to you later.
keep jeepin'
-pizzadude
-twylie
The $585 destination fee is consdidered part of the "invoice price." If you buy at $200 over invoice, that will include the destination fee, and you won't have to pay $200 plus $585.
Also, there is a nation-wide advertising fee that EVERYBODY pays, and this is also built into the invoice price. However, in metro areas, it is common to have to pay an addtional ad fee that is NOT included on the invoice.
You should NOT pay more than $200 over invoice on a new Wrangler. You MIGHT have to pay that addtional ad fee, depending on the area you live in.
Also, that $500 rebate comes to YOU, not to the DEALER. So, if you buy for $200 over invoice, you STILL get the $500 rebate, which has the net effect of buying at $300 under invoice.
I have heard of a few people actually getting their Wranglers at invoice price, but it is VERY common for people to get them at $200 over.
Hope this helps.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
P.S.
The nationwide ad fee that everyone has to pay is included in the invoice, like I said, but when you look up the invoice cost of a vehicle in Edmunds, it plainly states that Edmunds DOES NOT include this fee.
how is the lift? Are you still satisfied with it? I'm really itching to get mine setup...I priced out all the parts i think i would need and came to around 2700$. That was with the SYE and new driveshaft...one other question, what shocks did you buy? TeraFlex or other brand?
The last post you said your mpg was down to like 11 or so. That sounds pretty low...might make me change my mind or at least hold off.
Later on...hope your tops off? Finally got mine down for all day and tomorrow i think. The garvin rack works great being able to tilt and all. Talk to you later.
keep jeepin'
-pizzadude
Thanks for the sub advice. However, I don't think I'm mechanically inclined enough to pull a job like that. Also, although I liked the idea of a removable sub, I'd rather have something mounted inside the console that I don't ever have to think about or move. I live on the third floor of an apartment building and sometimes have to park 3 or 4 blocks away, so having to remove and replace the sub from time to time for space reasons probably isn't the best solution for me. I have yet to go to Good Guys or Al & Ed's Autosound to see what kind of options they have. When I do I'll give you an update.
yellowman
p.s. - Just received my full Jeep cover in the mail from Quadratec today. I'll probably do a washing tomorrow afternoon and then throw that puppy on! Weather's getting warmer - I'm starting to anticipate the big top-off day!
yellowman
I had a cooperative dealer, which helped. If I lived in a state with a sales tax, I imagine we would have added that in right before subtracting the rebate. None of these weird advertising fees ever came up, and I don't know how I would handle them, but I suspect they are a rip-off.
Happy Jeepin'