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Mazda Protege5

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  • TupTup Posts: 200
    Mazda's reliability is probably being affected by all the rebadged Ford's being sold as Mazdas.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    The B4000 (Ranger) and Tribute (Mazda-designed mostly, but Ford-built).

    Check out their cars (Protege, Millenia, 626, Miata) and the MPV and you'll note they're all above or well above average (half or full red circle).
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    "Tribute (Mazda-designed mostly, but Ford-built)." -- mazdafun

    WIth the Tribute being, essentially, a Ford Escape in different clothing, how is it exactly that it is "Mazda-designed mostly??"

    You are right though, the B400 and the Tribute ar bringing down the curve. The Protege is a CR Best Pick and has carried very high scores in it's reliability testing for many years.
  • I've had my P5 since last July and I hadn't seen a single other P5 on the road (and my job regularly takes my from NY to Albany to Buffalo). However, since Sunday I've seen 2 silver, one had red calipers and mirrored tint, 2 black, might have been same one seen 2 different times, a red, a blue (same color as mine), and a white. All of them within 3 miles of my house. The only thing that dishearten's me is that not 1 single driver waved back when I waved at them.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    What made the MP3 win the C&D comparo had nothing to do with speed. It was handling, braking, value, and design.

    BTW... the Protegé5 beat the MP3 through the slalom in a Motor Trend test. Better weight distribution or something like that.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    "Tribute (Mazda-designed mostly, but Ford-built)." -- mazdafun

    WIth the Tribute being, essentially, a Ford Escape in different clothing, how is it exactly that it is "Mazda-designed mostly??"

    You are right though, the B400 and the Tribute ar bringing down the curve. The Protege is a CR Best Pick and has carried very high scores in it's reliability testing for many years.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    The Escape is based on the Tribute platform, not the other way around. Just like the '91 and after Escorts were really reworked 323s and Proteges (usually the previous gen...i.e. '91 Escort based on the 323, not the then-new Protege). Of course, Ford would have the general public believe the Tribute is based on the Escape and the Protege is based on the Escort (read their history pages on the Escort on their web site...it's really nauseating how false it is after 1991).

    If you check around, the Escape/Tribute is derived from the Mazda 626 platform (a variant of which -the Capella, a narrow version- is the basis for the current gen3 Proteges). The chassis was designed by Mazda engineers, but the tranny and engines (the 6cyl for sure, not too sure about the 4) were from Ford's parts bin (probably had too many lying around nobody else wanted). Also, Ford retuned the suspension on the Escape to handle more softly than the Tribute. However, they're all built here in the US. Don't know why the Escape/Tribute are so c*****y compared to the 626 since at least some 626s are also built in the US now.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    That's all news to me but I've done some checking and I think you are at least partly-correct:

    From Auto.com

    "In this case the underpinnings owe at least some tribute to the Mazda 626 sedan. Just how much is hard to say, because both Ford and Mazda have waffled on this issue. The answer is something like this: not as much as we were first led to believe but more than the two companies are now willing to admit."

    I was under the impression is was based on the last-generation Mondeo platform but that may have been derived from the 626 platform.

    Still, the problems they are having are very Ford-like. :-(
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    The problems tend to be build and supplier related. When you nickel and dime your suppliers to death, you aren't going to get a superior product. Jamie Kitman has a nice piece about this in the March Automobile Mag.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The engine (Duratec) and tranny (CD4E) are pure Ford, and I believe it's built in a Ford plant.

    Look at the MPV - though it shares similar Ford parts, it's built in a Mazda plant and not a clone of any Ford, and reliability is much better.

    That says a lot to me.

    -juice
  • moo01moo01 Posts: 15
    sorry to hear that the other p5 owners didn't wave back...you are not the only one...i have tried to make eye contact and wave at at least 4 different p5 here in s. cal and none of them waved back...what's worse is they saw me and looked away on purpose as if they didn't want to see someone driving the same car...
  • A p5 pulled up behind me in downtown wilmington on the riverfront and I gave a thumbs up visible through my rear window so the driver could see. He smiled and returned the thumb's up. Nice feeling... commaradery alive at least here in the Port City of NC. Also, just returned from a short 300 mile round trip on secondary roads. Driving 60mph on the country stretches and 35-40mph throught the dozen towns of varying sizes, I averaged 30.2 miles per gallon in my automatic... with a/c on along the way.
  • theparallaxtheparallax Posts: 361
    I don't know about anyone else, but sit in a Tribute then sit in an MPV. There is a definite difference in quality of materials used, build quality, etc. The Tribute has Ford swtichgear everywhere. Even the power window buttons are the same ones found in other Ford cars. Sit in the MPV, and you see Mazda switchgear everywhere. Even the solidity of the doors is much better than the Tribute.

    The MPV is built in Japan, except for the engine, which is shipped over to Japan then back to the US installed in the vans...
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Did you have any luck getting your steel wheels off? I'm looking forward to doing it on my own car.
  • khoa_98khoa_98 Posts: 8
    I remember reading that the Tribute/Escape was based on the Mondeo/Contour platform...afterall, they spent a couple of billions on it, might as well use it. Which make sense considering they're built in the ClayCoMo plant, which used to do the Contour.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    I think Escape/Tribute is based on the 626. Check C&D, Automobile etc. This is the first I've heard it's derived from the Contour/Mondeo. Revisionist history on the part of Ford? Most likely, just as their take on the 90s-era and later Escorts is a bunch of b**l. I guess we'll have to hear from someone from the inside, or someone who's worked on the chassis of these three to be more sure.

    Anyways, I'll check what specs are available on the chassis of these three since I'm curious. The path of least resistance (fewest changes) is the likeliest.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    It's the contour platform...which BTW is the same basic platform for the Jaguar X-type, Mondeao and 626...of course there are some differences but nobody at the Jag dealer is telling anyone they are driving a fancy contour..hahaha

    The contour/Mystique were not big sellers here in the US but the paltform is world class. Just ask anyone with an SVT Contour.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The current 626 is not on the Mondeo platform. It's been out since 1993, with one redesign. The next one (Mazda 6) might, but again Mazda is being vague about it.

    I had one of those Escort, a 1991 GT. I was based on the Mazda Protoge platform, same wheelbase, same track, same suspension (4 struts, passive rear steer), and the GT even had the same engine (1.8 DOHC, still used in the Miata). Part numbers were interchangeable, even. I used to get Mazda oil filters for it, and a Mazda distributor cap and rotor when I couldn't find parts for the Escort. Rod Millen Motorsport sold aftermarket parts, and again they fit the Protoge and Escort with the same part numbers. The Tracer too, was a clone.

    -juice
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    and that is the platform that the new Jag X-type rides on. It's a different platform than the old Mondeo/Contour/Mystique road on.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,322
    Hopefully, Ford/Mazda/Jaguar/Volvo (anyone I'm forgetting?) will do a better job than GM has done in the past when sharing parts amongst different brands and models.

    However, just like child care and school, it's a lot easier for the less desirable traits to be propogated than the desirable ones. :)
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