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As far as the author of the article or his ancestry, I could care less.
Would I like to change some things? Sure, but I'm happy with the way it looks.
The failure has come in the allocation of where these cars are shipped to:
Most of these cars have gone to the Detroit area, where some dealers have 10 in stock and maybe 25 allocated to them for the remainder of the year's run. Now, alot of people in Southern Michigan, either work for the car companies, are retired from them, or work for a supplier. These people buy their cars at Manufacturer's cost. Right now, GM won't let their employee's buy the GTO on their plan.
While here in Los Angeles area there are only 16 actual cars available (gmbuypower, where if a dealer has a car, the ranking is 100%)and there are dealers asking $5,000 to $10,00 over sticker. My local dealer was asking $10,000 over sticker and he sold the car in a week. (don't know what he actually sold it for)
And in some areas of the country, the dealers can't get cars to sell.
So, it's not the car, it's GM and the greedy dealers that have caused the slow sales.
Now as far as the 05's go, GM will probably make some changes to appease the critics, such as Split exhaust, sunroof, hood scopes, chrome wheels, and maybe the LS2. So the next thing that people will trash the car about will the higher prices associated with the changes.
You can't please everyone!
Article says production on the Zeta platform will probably consume an entire assembly plant in the US, which leads one to believe that many more models will be produced on it, in addition to the 2007 Buick and 2008 GTO. Says platform can be built in two wheelbase sizes, and can support convertibles. No mention of Chevrolet models (yet).
Wonder how it will stack up against the platform Holden is using today, which is reportedly stronger than most US GM platforms, due to the more rugged environment there.
Also wonder if the GTO will keep its higher-quality interior materials once production starts in the US, or whether that quality will slide back to typical North American GM standards.
I have a brother inlaw that has a 01 Camero ss convertable. He's done some mild mods to ito such as corsa exhaust, airlid,k&n filter,new shifter, tower brace for the front end etc. anyone know what a covertable ss weighs in at?
we got into a discussion about if the gto would out perform the ss or t/a or not....
was wondering if anyone that currently has GTO has raced a SS or T/A?
personally i think the gto might have a slight edge on the f bodies especially when comes to ride and handeling...
seems these f body owners are getting kind of worried about the gto and if they come out next year with the 385 - 400hp judge or whatever they decide to name it watch out theres gonna a be a new player at the drag strip taking names!.... (:
In terms of advertising, I've seen the GTO commercial a few times, doesn't do it. There's more excitement in the Grand Prix commercial. It seems the advertising is like that of the Marauder: the commercial ran for about a week then kaput, they were always advertising that there was a promo on speed channel, though I believe it only came on a few times and never when it was listed in the TV Guide. And I didn't know of the movie that came on June 2nd (did it come on?). Where were the promos for that? They should have been airing promos for that weeks prior and all last weekend, especially considering it was a long, holiday weekend. And train the salespeople at the dealers about the product, please.
Not trying to put anyone down, and if you bought one, great! Hope you're enjoying it and didn't get suckered into paying too much for it. I understand the allotment situation (kind of crazy), the gouging, the "first on my block, gotta keep up with the Jones-es" reasoning of getting one (though they nor the Jones-es can afford it), but the car isn't selling. Again, it may be from the "wait till next year", which is Lutz to a tee, but these aren't selling in the majority of markets.
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The movie on USA network was a C-. Bad script, bad acting and not enough GTO. A Mitsubishi Eclipse and other GM cars were on screen more. They modified an '04 and made it look like a ricer. They also mocked up an old Tempest to look like a '69 Judge and then drove it off a cliff at the end of the movie!
Enjoying a place back in Pontiac’s lineup for the first time in 30 years, the GTO answers the call of modern muscle car enthusiasts. For 2005, the GTO receives a new engine – the LS2 V-8 – and new exterior choices The LS2 produces 400 horsepower (295 kw); up from 350 horses (261 kw), and 395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm), up from 365 lb.-ft, (495 Nm). More rumble comes from a new, split dual-exhaust system and new exterior options include two new colors and an available hood scoop.
taken from here:
http://media.gm.com/division/2005_prodinfo/pontiac/05_Pontiac_Ove- rview.htm
Thanks for posting it!
Drove past the Pontiac dealer Friday, had three out front with hoods and decklids open, with the other seven sitting on the side. None made me want to take more than a very quick glance let alone drive in and check them out. Kind of sad because GM finally had a chance to provide the public with something they had been asking for and they kind of half-*ssed it. I still say this should have been the Camaro, which most of us were asking GM to do years ago, along with the Ute as an El Camino & Commodore as an Impala.
This is from media.gm.com
http://media.gm.com/division/2005_prodinfo.../gto/index.html
What’s new for 2005
LS2 6.0L engine replaces LS1
400 horsepower (295 kw)
395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm)
Available hood with twin air scoops
Revised rear fascia incorporating outlets for new split dual exhaust system
Polished exhaust outlet tips
Larger brake rotors and calipers
Red-painted calipers with GTO logo on front caliper
Driver foot rest
Two new colors: blue and grey
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2005 PONTIAC GTO: THE NEW GOAT GETS MORE MUSCLE
GTO – the original muscle car – was re-introduced last year and returns with more power and style for 2005. A new LS2 6.0L V-8 engine replaces the LS1 5.7L engine, bringing with it an increase in horsepower and torque.
The ’05 GTO packs 400 horsepower (295 kw) – up from 350 horses (261 kw) – and 395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm), up from 365 lb.-ft. (495 Nm). Transmission choices are the same as the ’04 model’s: The Hydra-Matic 4L60-E four-speed automatic is standard and the Tremec six-speed manual is optional. GTO’s more powerful engine should lower the 0-60 time to less than 5 seconds.
Enthusiasts will immediately spot the brawnier ’05 GTO, thanks to new badging and a revised rear fascia that incorporates a new dual-exhaust system – it splits the GTO’s two outlets, routing them to opposite sides of the rear fascia. The exhaust tips are polished for a more refined appearance.
Also available is a new hood design incorporating a pair of stylish air scoops. The scoops draw fresh air in to the GTO’s engine compartment.
The badges identifying the ’05 GTO’s bigger V-8 include a “6.0” badge on the trunk lid and revised “GTO” fender badges, which now incorporate “6.0 Litre” designations. The original 1964 GTO also wore “6.0 Litre” fender badges, but at a time when almost every other American manufacturer referenced engine size in cubic inches.
Along with the GTO’s power increase comes improved braking performance from larger brake rotors, calipers and pads. The calipers are painted red and the front calipers feature the GTO logo.
Additional changes to the ’05 GTO include two new colors (blue and grey), as well as driver foot rest. A line of regular production accessories (RPAs) based on the 2004 GTO Performance Plus SEMA concept vehicle is scheduled for start-of-production availability. The accessories include a tall rear spoiler, front and rear fascia extensions, rocker molding extensions and grille inserts. As part of GM’s RPA program, the accessories can be ordered and installed on the vehicle prior to delivery.
LS2 details
Compared to the Gen III-based LS1, the 2005 GTO’s LS2 V-8 incorporates several significant changes to help improve performance. The block is an all-new casting with cylinder bores measuring 4.00 inches (101.6 mm) in diameter. The cylinder heads and camshaft are revised, too, to deliver the airflow necessary to complement the engine’s larger displacement. Other changes include:
New aluminum block casting with revised oil galleries and provisions for external knock sensors – external sensors improve serviceability
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.
I noticed today in a GM print ad that the GTO is now one of the cars featured in their 24 hour test drive program.
Pontiac's impeccable strategy & timing continues.
The only mainstream use of the GTO I have found in my surfing, is a the GM Auto Show in Motion site. Looks like the GTO will be one of the available cars to dirve. Coming to the Boston area next weekend. Had a great time last year, including the Corvette. Was very hard driving home in the minivan. ;-) Any one in the areas of the show should check them out. http://www.autoshowinmotion.com
The goat is in a group picture with several other GM products and the fine print says, "GM vehicles include all Chevrolet, Pontiac, GMC, Buick, ... vehicles."
If it's in the ad it would be awfully silly for the car to not be included in the program.
http://www.gm24hourtestdrive.com/dealers_search_nosession.html
$250 challange site: (No GTO mentioned)
http://www.gm.com/automotive/vehicle_shopping/currentoffers/chall- - enge.html
Mark
I'm glad they're going to separate the exhaust, since this is one thing that I don't like about my car.
However, if it looks like the red GTO from the movie "The Last Ride". I'm more than satisfied with what I have. It looks like they'll go from "plain jane" to "rice burner" to satisfy the complaints.
When GM announces the pricing for the 05, I'm sure that this will bring out more critics.
With the widespread release of the next model year's specs, I wonder if this will affect current sales, which, as has been posted here, haven't been too great?
I think GM has to do one of two things:
a) cut production
b) decrease pricing (add incentives)
Anyone see any evidence of this? At least here in the upper midwest, the stick cars are pretty prevalent, and there's no shortage of them.
If the price drops (i.e. incentives added), I may be interested in trying to pick one up. Like the previous poster intimated, I would anticipate that the '05's will have a significant ($2k? $3k?) price increase (higher engine costs, more development costs, change in currency between Australian and American $$$).
--Robert
Jr. Exec. : "Well sir, it seems we have about 175 days surplus of GTO's. We have only sold about 3500 to this point out of our target 16 to 18 thousand. We seem to be a little behind our quota, what should we do sir?"
Marketing President: (Sits down his crackpipe, clears his throat) "Why I'm not sure what we should do really. I don't understand why our loyal owners don't want to gobble up the 04's with 3 to 5 K over sticker, single exhaust outlet, no hood scoops, and during a gas crunch, when they know the 2005 will cure most of the problems with the 2004."
Jr Exec. : "Well sir, should we offer cashback or rebates like we do on every other model?"
Marketing President : "That was funny. No let's stick with our current plan, We might actually boost sales if we did anything." (Picks up the crackpipe and makes plans on buying another yacht.)
Credit to Orbit Orange on another site.
If I was GM, I wouldn't offer a rebate. I'd make the dealers discount the cars.
And for those who know its a dual, but still complain, is it really such a crime that the dual exhaust pipes come out the same side of the car? Its still a dual setup, so who cares where they exit the rear skirt?
I've made my own complaints about this car known, but even the skeptics and haters have to realize how incredibly petty complaining about the location of the tailpipes is.
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I personally do not like the POSITION of the exhaust tail pipes on the new GTO, its not aesthetically pleasing to me, yet I do like the exhaust system on the new Bonneville GXP. It looks great to me. Just my own opinion.
Its what your prefer
I prefer dual exhaust split on each side of the car- I personally like the looks.
So the BMW 540I has pipes on one side of the car, does what your saying mean because the Bonneville
GXP has split exhaust, that if you do not like that,its now an overall BAD CAR???- I would think it would be just a BAD car to buy for anyone who does not prefer dual split exhaust.
I have nothing against any car that has single pipes in the rear- its just not aesthetically pleasing to me! Its my money, just like its yours, and styling and looks are very important.
I'd rather see the new GTO with split dual exhaust on each of the car.
Thats my own liking. It does not make the GTO an overall bad car because it now does not have it the way I like it, it makes it a bad car for me to buy personally.
I saw the GTO factory road race car at Lime Rock, CT with a street GTO alongside and the flares on the racecar completely changed the look of the car for the better. Also the Holden rear spoiler, split dual pipes and blacked out tail lenses are much cooler then the GTO's.
I aspire to own a new GTO but the lack of trunkspace and no sunroof really doesn't convince me to trade in my 02 Formula w/T-tops.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
On my Formula with the T-tops in the roof there is a nice deep storage well in the back(where the tops get stored, a cooler fits in this area great) as well as all the area above the axle and under the hatch as well as the folding rear seat if you don't have rear passengers. There is a surprising amount of useable space, almost as much as my 94 GP. The GTO does not come close in useable stowage space.
Both cars came out pretty loaded and not many options yet Chrysler & GM are making some big changes for 05 on them.
1) Greedy dealers/huge mark-ups where the car is hot or where there are few available
2) The idiot allocation system
Pontiac has been shipping these cars for at least 8 months. You'd think they would have figured it out by now and taken some action.
Will someone with a connection to GM please comment?
On a more opinionated note, its very low on my list of priorities. I could see complaining if it was indeed a 2 to 1 setup, but, for me, when it comes to mechanics of the car, as long as it works, its all good. To me, location of exhaust takes about as much priority as the color of the calipers. A different color won't make them perform any better.
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1) I know it's a true dual system, I don't think they could do w anything less.
2) I know it's a minor issue but GM did miss a chance to establish a visual connection with the intial Goat for very little money and without looking overly retro or boy racer.
'nuff said?
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
I have the 2 to one system on my 98 Bonneville SSE- It still looks great to me having the split pipes out the rear even though its really not a true dual exhaust system.
As for me- I like the pipes out the rear separate.
The DUAL/DUAL exhaust on the Bonneville GXP is perfect for me.
My point is not the mechanical performance of the car.
I'm simply stating that the car has to be aesthetically pleasing to the eyes along with all the other factors that makes one choose one vehicle over another.
In this case, I'm choosing the Bonneville GXP over the present GTO- if for nothing else-
IMHO- the Bonneville is the better looking vehicle.
If the present GTO had the Bonneville GXP exhaust set-up
I would have to reconsider my position.
I simply cut and pasted something from another site that I thought was humorous while hitting my point that the marketing of this car has been lacking in my opinion.
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As crazy as I sound, I really don't want one if I can't change it... love Holdens, hate Pontiacs!
Jeff