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Chevrolet C6 Corvette

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    I haven't seen the specifications for the new C6, but the Corvette actually competes on a weight (more directly LACK thereof) dimension. The problem as I see it is it is a bit like selling safety, not easily graphic or sound bite able. "LESS IS BETTER ! But I would submit to you that folks probably would not be too keen on paying more for less: unlike Porsche owners! :( :)

     

    The easiest way to say it graphically is 10 hp for every 100#'s is needed to B/E or compensate when it comes to power to weight ratio and also this equates to 1-3 mpg. Most folks would know this but.... So most Euro competitors are easily 400-600#s more than the Corvette (my Z06 is 3150#s, 405 hp/torque, for discussion sake) The Porsche GT (mega bucks more) is app 2970#'s.

     

    For example in X country crusing, the Z06 at 90-100 mph has a cruising range of app 450 miles. How many other of its competitors can match that? It can also get app 26 mpg with the AC at freezing (ok, 65 dgrees with the ambient temp at 104) Want more range and better mpg? Go 70-80 mph and you are pushing 30-32 mpg. for 540-576 miles.

     

    So for example when I was doing the reseach (on price only) the BMW M-3 came on the radar. It weighs 3400#'s. So from a performance point of view; what mods at what cost, to get what hp, do I have to do to match the Z06 performance? Or to approach it the other way, what weight does the BMW M-3 need to be, to match the P/W ratio of the Corvette?

     

    Suffice it to say all the options (or most) have some weight penalty.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    From the production stats:

          MN6 Auto

    2001 16.0 vs. 19.6 = 35.6 45%

    2002 16.9 vs. 18.9 = 35.8 47%

    2003 17.3 vs. 18.2 = 35.5 49%

    2004 12.6 vs. 21.5 = 34.1 37%

     

    The Z06 makes up a big portion of the manuals, about 50% in 02/03 and but less than that in 01/04. But, as noted, history helps prediction on a level playing field, and what we have is a sea change to manual standard vs. extra cost option. With no Z06 in 2005 I doubt it will exceed 50% but it will be interesting to see the results in both '05 and '06. Going back further you would probably see more years that are not as close to 50%.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,261
    I really don't see the point of a 6-speed fully manual trans in a car with that much torque and being driven in the USA. It seems a waste to me. I have a high torque V8 with 5 speed (Porsche) and I don't even use 2nd gear most of the time, or 4th for that matter, unless I'm really on the back roads. Yet another gear, I reallly don't know what I'd do with it.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    While I have driven in Canada, the majority of the mileage on the Corvette has been in the USA. In very many ways the Corvette is almost tailor made FOR the USA. On some other web sites, it is of interest to hear of folks with Z06's living in Europe and using the autobahn. :)
  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    As a previous Vette owner I believe that there is a significant advantage to not buying the first year of any GM product. As first year Vettes have had significant problems. I am old enough to remember the 1968 and 1984 models.

     

      GM will surely address some of the refinement issues that we have discussed and make changes for 06 and 07. For those who want to be the first kid on the block I understand but I will wait.

     

      In 06 I would look for GM to make side airbags standard and make many other small improvements, work out the bugs, etc.

     

      At the same time we will probably be able to purchase the Vette below MSRP.

     

      Please GM get rid of the truck steering wheel in the base Vette and replace it with the ZO6 or similar steering wheel.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    I'm in no position to compare to high end autos in Eurorides but having 1st to 4th on the track is what the Dr. ordered. Then again, taking a trip and putting it in 6th and if the CHP is around, knowing that you are relaxed getting almost 30mpg is not a bad approach. I usually get back from 100 mile jaunts and show about 27mpg on the computer. It gets low 20's around town the way I drive but my wife who doesn't hot rod at all in hers gets only about 18mpg, doesn't get to upper gears as early or as often. YMMV
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    This is probably old news to someone like starrow 68, but the Z06 model has 10 % lower gears in 1-4 with 5/6 a sort of double overdrive.
  • skeezixskeezix Posts: 45
    The 6 speed in the Corvette is one of the big reasons the cars get such good highway gas mileage. That fact is a performance plus. I was totally surprised when Ford didn't put a 6 speed manual in the new Mustang. After driving a 6 speed Firebird for 10 years, I don't think I would buy another car without a 6 speed manual.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Having driven mostly non-performance cars in my life I don't expect the instant availability of power. Putting the Corvette in 6th, even at freeway crusing speeds doesn't give you much umph, to say the least. It needs to be above 2k rpm and really 3k to really scream. It doesn't get to 1500 rpm until just about 70mph in the coupe so at crowded freeway crusing you can be 1100 to 1300 rpm easily and any quick moves require a downshift. That is no issue for me today after almost 2 years driving road courses but in the beginning, knowing what gear to pick was an issue and doing it smoothly was at that point a joke. Practice makes perfect, or at least improves the process. Drop into 3rd at 70 and hammer it and you get an E ticket ride.

    Randy
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    Yes, I had the same experience. (except for numerous road course driving schools)

     

    Using 6 gear at 70 mph, can be almost a sleepy experience. Do a double (de) clutch from 6th gear to 3rd and the thing can almost be described as a BEAST.
  • chip4chip4 Posts: 1
    I have a 1999 Corvette and I am contemplating whether to buy a 2005 or wait for a 2006. Does anyone have any good or bad stories about owning a 2005 C6 ?

    Should I not buy a first year new model car ? Corvette history says don't buy the first new model year
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    I got the 2002 coupe and after having it I'm glad I got it when I did even when we got a 2004 for my wife that was $6k less due to late model year discounts. I wouldn't trade the fun I had for the savings.
    Then again the C6 has had some issues, 6sp tranny, and I'm not sure what else and as you suspect that is always true. But, is there an unknown at this point, hard to guess, they are getting better at getting it mostly right out of the box. Those I talk with are really happy with the C6, at least as happy as the C5 crowd.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,961
    The good news and the bad news is they are on a constant improvement program.

    I have the First C5 Z06 (2001). One noticeable one is it came with 385 HP/torque due partly to the fact they did not perfect the catalytic converter soon enough to bring to market, so they had to go to catalytic pups. When they were able to bring the perfected system to market in 2002, they dropped the pups. It added 5 hp and they scrubbed real hard to enhance internal breathing modifications; shaking loose another 10 hp, for 405 hp/torque. Another year revealed the clutch did not have enough safety factor. So another improvement a year later was a slightly bigger and thicker clutch.
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    I have been following the C6 quality concerns/reports pretty closely. I think the initial assembly bugs have been resolved now. I think about 16K cars have been built at this point.

    There will be probably be a few changes/improvements for 06 but they won't start building them until September. I want to get one for spring/summer and before the wife changes her mind; so I ordered one yesterday. I spent quite a bit of time examining a C6 they had on the lot. The car looks pretty good to me. It isn't prefect but I found the assembly detail to be really good. I also drove the same car and it didn't have squeaks, rattles, or abnormal wind noise. The torque and HP are really impressive. It is also amazingly docile for around town driving.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    It is surprising how nice they handle and how subtle the power is when you want that. I think that was a major factor when the wife decided she wanted one too. After driving mine and finding that it wasn't some monster all the time she felt she could handle the car in normal driving. Then if you use it, the 6 speed gives you great mileage as well, pretty nice combination. Glad to see another join the fun, do yourself a favor and look up the local Corvette Club. Don't forget to wave.
    Randy
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    Thanks, I am going to lookup the local Corvette Club. I have been a member of a roadracing club for 12 years and have met a lot Corvette owners at the driving schools we put on.

    Now I have to wait for the darn thing to get built and make the trip to the west coast. Hopefully I will have it towards the end of April.
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    G.M. has a special program called GM-S where members of specific organizations (certain employers, G.M. suppliers) can purchase new cars at prices that are substantially less than M.S.R.P. In the case of a new Corvette, the price ends up being less than $1000 over invoice.

    If anyone here has used the GM-S program, I have a few questions for you. Thanks in advance.

    - Mike
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    Hello,

    I'm trying to decide whether or not to sell my 2003 Audi A6 4.2 in order to buy a new C6 Corvette. The Audi is a great car that does what it's intended to do very well. It's luxurious, powerful (300 h.p. V8), beautifully built, and extremely satisfying to drive. The only "problem" is that it's not a sports car (and it doesn't try to be one).

    I'm giving serious consideration to selling the A6 and ordering a C6 coupe - 6-speed, Z51, Nav, and XM. I'd really enjoy hearing from anyone who has feedback on some of the things that concern me:

    1. Can I expect squeaks and rattles? I know that past generation Corvettes have been notorious in this area. What about the C6?

    2. How's the freeway ride on Z51 cars? Too harsh? Anyone here drive more than one suspension version (standard, Z51, F55) before deciding which to get?

    3. Is it true that cars equipped with the navigation system get only a single-disc CD player?

    4. Can the navigation system be programmed while the car is in motion?

    5. Does anyone make a better-looking (metal?) trim plate for the center stack / console? (I know about the body-colored ones available through the Chevy parts department; is there anything of higher quality through the after-market?

    6. After living with the car for awhile, what DON'T you like about it?

    Thanks in advance.

    - Mike
  • The design of the C6 is clearly based on the Ferrari. The clean lines with large rear tail lights accented by the new exposed cat eye headlights. The 400 HP will keep up and even beat most all European based "higher cost" exotics. The sleek design combined with high tech interior components including comfort make this car a tour de force and a price/performance you will not beat.
  • Here are the responses for you as I have a new C6:
    1. Yes, previous Vettes did rattle. This was my number one criteria: The C6 is first Vette that does not rattle, and is tight.

    2. I thought the Z51 was too harsh. I went with the F55 and it is perfect as you have tour/sport modes.

    3. Yes it is true. I purchased XM radio-forget CDs. I was originally against XM- Not now.

    4. I am not sure of this. But do get the Nav, it is wonderful and looks better and high tech.

    5. Not yet. However, I purchased the slick silver and the center console compliments the exterior. It is the only Vette color that does this. No after market junk yet..

    6. Good question: Minor stuff, ie: no auto power window up and if you are taller then 6'- 2" head room will be tight but thats it..you will love this car.
  • r22549r22549 Posts: 42
    My 04 C5 does not rattle...
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    I have read reports where XM has less frequency response than FM. So FM sounds better. CIRUS is supposed to be better than XM. GM did a deal with XM so you have to go aftermarket if you want Cirus. CDs and MP3s will still be your choice to hear the sound of real music.
  • giovanni1giovanni1 Posts: 106
    I think SIRIUS is much better and if I do end up with a vette or CTS-V, I will surely get an aftermarket system so I can get my Sirius. I have it at home and it's great!
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    but I DO know that it sounds MUCH MUCH MUCH Better than FM. GM has a deal with XM because they are PART OWNERS of XM. :)

    XM or Sirius... you will be happy either way. I have XM in 3 vehicles and love each version:
    1 factory installed in a GM
    1 Alpine aftermarket install on a Jeep Wrangler
    1 FM modulated installation in a BMW - looks factory

    The BMW has the 'worst' sound of them all because of the modulation. It is not on par with a CD, but leaps and bounds above the XM. The Alpine and factory install both sound great.

    There is a Satellite radio forum here on Edmunds...

    -Paul
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    My 04 C5 does not rattle,squeek, etc. at all. I've got over 5K miles on her now, and she is nice and tight. And airtight enough that you have to crack a door to close the hatch easily, otherwise it takes some effort.
  • giovanni1giovanni1 Posts: 106
    1. I was under the assumption that Bluetooth was available on the new C6 but I can't find any information about this on the chevy's site.

    2. How many of you are living with a vette as your daily driver? Pros/cons?

    3. What are service costs like, does the dealer give you a loaner vehicle?

    I'm now in CA and my commute to my office is less than 5 miles, plus I'm single with no kids/pets so snow/space etc isn't an issue.

    I just drove the C6 at the autoshow in motion in San Fran and I think I'm in love.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    I have a 2002 Coupe daily driver after trying to keep it for events by driving a 1995 Corvette for a year to keep miles off. The 2002 is so much nicer my wife got an '04 Coupe for a partly/daily, she commutes in it about 3 days a week. I didn't want the '95 to sit out so I sold it since it was in nice shape only 28k miles after 9 years. My '02 does daily to the train station and then every few weeks goes to the track to run about 100+ miles at speed. Fantastic ride, but the several I've talked to who have C6's say it's a step up again.
    Biggest problem I'd see is that you won't warm up the engine oil in a short 5 mile commute. I do 1 mile to the freeway, about 5 miles on freeway and then into BART station and the oil is only up to 150/160 degrees, so I'm sure to get at least 15+ miles at least once a week, mid-week and keep the oil changed as well. The problems that the C5 had, rocking seat, some column lock, and oil usage have not been issues for me beyond the seat. Not sure what the C6 feedback is since I don't expect to get one for about a year +. Enjoy!
    Randy
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