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  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    If you are going to go used, get one with the sound bar. I didn't get it because I'm not particular about the radio (tend to listen to all news stations for the traffic reports), but that is my one big regret. All other matters have variables - the use of the vehicle, how much you have to put into it, etc. If you are going to use it as a daily driver, get a TJ -'97 (?is this their first year?) to now. Better suspension.
  • appstate88appstate88 Posts: 40
    Opinions! We're full of them when it comes to Wranglers.

    Not knowing much about your situation, I have some fairly universal advice.

    One, the resale value of these vehicles are so high, that, if you can afford it, buy new.

    And be aware of the downsides and buy according to your tastes. Everyone on this board loves their Wranglers, but they also know what makes them fun gives them, shall we say, character...

    For example:

    Convertible top means more road noise.
    Great off-road means trucklike highway ride.
    Incredibly small turning radius means cramped back seat with little cargo room.

    Give us more details and we will look forward to hearing about it!
  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    mermaid55
    Are you asking what years are lemons or do you not know what a lemon is? A lemon is bascially a piece of junk. It is a car that has numerous problems or ususally the same problem that can not be fixed or repaired.
    Not knowing more about your situation I would only say go with fuel injection. I believe all '91 and newer are fuel injected.

    mtngal
    If you regret it and you do want a soundbar, just buy one and have it put in. They are not that expensive. Heck, if you post a picture showing you driving your Jeep with it TOPLESS and DOORLESS, I will buy it. :)
    For someone that lives in the moutains and loves the outdoors, I don't see how you couldn't love it. Just pull the top off for a weekened and take it out on some trails or to some good hiking areas.
  • mermaid55mermaid55 Posts: 3
    well... my budget for my first car( I am turning 16), is probably going to be about 7,000 to 9,000 I don't think it's good to buy a new car for my first, so I will buy an older one. I am going to be using it everyday and off-roading sometimes too. What is a soundbar? What's a Cj, Yj, and Tj?
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    A sound bar goes over the top of the vehicle just behind the roll bar. It has 2 speakers mounted in it which adds a great deal to the sound quality - the speakers in the front are pretty limited. I looked in a couple of catalogs and I know I can get aftermarket units - it's just that I have other, higher priorities for what few available bucks I have at the moment (like a new roof, and getting rid of the Taco!). And time is getting spent doing more fire abatement than the county requires - these fires are definitely getting too close for comfort).

    CJ, YJ and TJ are all specific models of Wranglers, and reflect different years. I don't know when the models changed from CJ to YJ. I think that the TJ's first year was '97, I have a '98 and it is definitely a TJ. They have a better suspension system for on-road comfort. The guys can probably give you better historical information about previous versions and the years they changed.
  • mermaid55mermaid55 Posts: 3
    hey thanks for all the responds from you guys.. but I am still not sure which to buy, which is the best year for the wranglers? I read the posts and they said that the soft-top on 2001 is much better than the years before, does it really make a big difference? And is manual better or auto?

    Thanks
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    A sight you might take a look at is the TJ FAQ at http://www.visi.com/~tam/tjfaq.html

    It's no longer being updated, but it's still a good intro.


    CJs are the "original Jeep" vehicle that eventually became the Wrangler. The last model year for the CJ7 (same dimensions as a Wrangler) was 1986, about the same time Jeep/AMC became part of Chrysler. They have round headlights and a leaf-spring suspension.


    YJs were the first-generation Wranglers. They also have a leaf-spring suspension and square headlights. Stay away from the pre-1992 models, they do not have fuel injection and can be unreliable. The last year model for the YJ was 1995.


    TJs are the second- and current-generation Wrangler. They have round headlights (bigger than the CJ7's) and a coil-spring suspension. The first year for the TJ was 1997. Most of us here currently drive TJs, though several of us (including myself) used to own YJs or CJs. Jeep owners tend to be lifetime fans because they are very fun and unique vehicles to own, though they do have their quirks.


    You are probably looking for a late-model YJ or an early-model TJ, something made between 1994 and 1998, given your budget of 7 to 9 grand. I'd spend some time reading the old posts here--someone who recently bought a Wrangler took a few hours to browse several thousand old posts here and found it to be useful. Wrangler are neat vehicles, but not for everyone.

  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    The MOMA in New York is going to have an exhibit this summer called "Speed Sport Transport," which will highlight the art of automotive design over the past 100 years. There are going to 6 vehicles displayed at the museum, and they include a 1959 VW Beetle and (the sole American car) a 1952 Jeep. There is an article about this in the NY Times online, and the curator basically said the Jeep is "the quintessential American, pragmatic, functional vehicle" and that they though the late-50s MB/CJ5 was the best design of that concept. I'm not sure if a direct link will work for this article, but here it is: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/21/automobiles/21AUTO.html
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,958
    Fun link, Ducks, and the Jeep is going to make a nice addition to their permanent collection.

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  • dave3463dave3463 Posts: 1
    I am in the market for a Wrangler and I came across a 99' Sport with: 4.0L, 30000 miles, both tops, A/C, Cruise, Nerf Bars, plus some other things. It is still under factory warranty. The guy is asking 15,000 for it and needs to sell it because he has parkinsons disease and can't drive anymore. He said it has never been off the highway and looks in great condition. I would appreciate everyone's thoughts.
    Thanks.
  • My husband and I want to get a used Wrangler. We have a 7-month old and our concern is the "high center of gravity", "unsafe", etc. that we hear whenever we mention wanting a Jeep. We will go off-road rarely; this'll be mostly a city/fun vehicle.

    Any advice on the safety issue and general buying advice is appreciated.

    Thanks...stefanella
  • Dave, without checking kelly blue book's site (http://kbb.com) I'd say that's a great deal. I'd take it to a local garage to have it checked out first but it's certainly less than you would pay at a dealership. Check Kelly's site and right here at edmunds.
    Stefanella, I wouldn't be too concerned about rollovers. Yes, they do have a higher center of gravity but so do all suv's. As long as you aren't taking corners like a race car driver you'll be fine. I think the rollever thing is a major misconception on the non-driving Wrangler public. Maybe some other's here will have an opinion as well.
    If either of you would like to chat live and ask more q's your welcome to come to Gill's, there's alot of knowledge in there....I think?! :) http://itsajeep.org
  • Hello Gang,

    I have been traveling for work a lot lately and just got back to catching up on all your new Wrangler posts. I am still waiting for the day when I will actually be able to get my new 2003 Rubicon. However, in addition to the Rubicon link from Jeep that I posted in April, I have gotten the following information on 2003 Wrangler changes.

    The biggest story is that the 2.5 liter Power Tech inline-four will no longer be available. The engine is now used exclusively in the Wrangler. Jeep will switch to the 2.4 liter Power Tech inline-four used in the Liberty (and other Chrysler vehicles) as the base engine for the Wrangler. This will mean better power for four cylinder Wranglers. In addition, as some of your recent post have noted, the Wrangler will finally be available with a four-speed automatic. Absolutely no change is planned for the Wrangler 4.0 liter inline six.

    Also, the Wrangler will have new front seats have more travel and higher seat backs. The rear seat is redesigned for easier folding. It now has a high center-mounted handle on the seat back instead of the current side mounted latch release. A new lever on the side of front passenger seat will make it easier to fold the seat forward. There is also some new corner pods to be located just behind the B-pillar on both sides of vehicle to house interior lamps providing "theater lighting" and a location for speakers.

    I hope this is helpful to anyone considering a 2002 versus a 2003 Wrangler.

    God willing I will be driving my new Rubicon to later then April of next year.

    Jim Fletcher
  • I have been wanting a Jeep Wrangler for a few years now and I have found a 1998 Wrangler Sahara Edition with only 15000 miles on it in perfect shape. It was female driven in a city and it has seen no gravel or dirt roads. It has the upgraded tires and wheels, soundbar, 1/2 doors, softtop, but no hard top. It is white in color and the owner is asking $17500. Do you think that this Jeep is worth that? I was thinking more like $15000 max.Has anyone had any problems out of their Sahara? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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  • yellowmanyellowman Posts: 209
    Hey James

    Thanks for the info on 2003 - any word on whether or not they'll be keeping the Solar Yellow color option on SE, X, and Sport models?

    yellowman
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Being an owner of a '98 Sport, there are a couple of things to check out. First, the exhaust manifold fails often and it expensive to repair (I know - I had mine replaced about 2 months ago). I've also had an intermittent problem with my dash gages. There is a TSB out on it, but I just haven't quite gotten mine to a dealer to get it done. Since my Wrangler had too many miles on it when it started happening, I'll end up paying for the repair, and since it is so intermittent, I haven't bothered with it.

    Check out the value quoted here on Edmunds and on kbb's web site (the last time I looked at values for my Tacoma they were different). The bottom line, though, is you personally. Would you rather have the car than the money? I wouldn't buy a new CRV for 2 cents, and many CRV drivers wouldn't give 2 cents for a Wrangler.

    Thanks for the info about the 2003s. I like the idea of additional spot lighting - I often read on the way to work (my other half drives mornings, I drive evenings) and have to use a book light. The map lights in the Tacoma offer enough light for me to read by, but don't disturb the driver (at least not my husband). Maybe it will still be that way when we get around to replacing our Wrangler in a couple of years.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    "I am in the market for a Wrangler and I came across a 99' Sport with: 4.0L, 30000 miles, both tops, A/C, Cruise, Nerf Bars, plus some other things. It is still under factory warranty. The guy is asking 15,000 for it and needs to sell it because he has parkinsons disease and can't drive anymore. He said it has never been off the highway and looks in great condition. I would appreciate everyone's thoughts.
    Thanks."


    Like Bigkahuna said, take advantage of the price guides here in Edmunds and in other sites. Check your local papers for similar vehicles to compare prices.

    Without going through the steps myself, I can tell you right up front that the price the guy is asking sounds pretty good. Getting both tops is a biggie. The mileage is really good for a '99, since the '03s are almost out now. The time must be nearly out on the original warranty, even though the miles are still below the 36K. You can buy an extended warranty on it, if that would give you some peace of mind.

    Welcome to the group, and I hope you will stick around. Ask any questions you may have. You can only come here once as a stranger, so now that you've been here, you are one of us. This is a very friendly group of people who help each other all they can.

    Feel free to email me if I can help you. I am not an expert on used Jeeps, but I can tell you about my experience with my Jeep.

    If you have never owned a Jeep before, you are in for a real surprise as to how much fun they are!

    Please keep us posted on your progress in buying a Jeep.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    "My husband and I want to get a used Wrangler. We have a 7-month old and our concern is the "high center of gravity", "unsafe", etc. that we hear whenever we mention wanting a Jeep. We will go off-road rarely; this'll be mostly a city/fun vehicle.

    Any advice on the safety issue and general buying advice is appreciated.

    Thanks...stefanella"


    Stefanella, ANY vehicle has its limits. Probably the best cornering American car would be the Corvette. They have great suspension systems and low center of gravity. They have a test for cornering ability called the skid pad test (I think that's the name of it anyway), and a Corvette would have a very high rating. But, I would venture to guess that more Corvettes lose control and roll over in corners than Jeeps do. Why? Because ANY vehicle has its limits, and when the driver exceeds those limits, accidents happen.

    A Jeep must be driven like a Jeep, and when it is driven within its limits, it is as safe as any vehicle. Since the limits are at lower speeds on a Jeep, a Jeep gets driven slower than other vehicles, and I think that actually makes them safer! Speed is a factor in almost all accidents.

    Hope this helps.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Yellowman -

    I do not have any information on color offerings for 2003. However, by next month dealers should have visibility to the colors and new options from Jeep. I believe that the future of colors like Solar Yellow typically depends on how well they are selling.

    Do you have any idea of how popular Solar Yellow is?

    Jim
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Welcome to the board. I'll give you the same advice that I gave Dave3463... use the pricing feature here in Edmunds and see what you come up with on that Sahara. It only has 15K miles, which will add a good amount to its value, but the 03s are soon going to be out, so that Jeep would be considered five years old.

    Tom

    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
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