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Cadillac CTS/CTS-V

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  • automoleautomole Posts: 154
    hydra2: She probably has a good point if she's used to FWD and often drives in the snow. One of the things I do like about the CTS is the little 'snowflake' button near the shifter on the automatic that allows you to select a winter driving setting in which the car starts out in third gear; that combined with ABS and traction control gives me a good enough sense of winter safety although I'm sure AWD would be better. AWD was one of the things I liked about the Jag X-type but overall the CTS won in my decision for a new car.

    bingoman: I too would be willing to pay for the software upgrade. I feel that if it requires a PROM chip or hardware of some kind a nominal upgrade fee would be uacceptable. If it just requires new software to be uploaded however, I actually do think it should be free under warranty. As for the gas gauges, yes they're all innacurate at low range; my gripe with the CTS is that IMO 'low range' should be around 10-15 miles left until empty...not 40 miles! I try to never let the gauge go that low either...unfortunately sometimes my wife will drive the car and leave me the surprise of a nearly empty tank in which case a 'guesstimate' of DTE would be extremely helpful.

    akirby: My fear with the CTS is that they will ONLY offer a manual if they come out with a higher HP CTSi version. Ultimately car buyers should always have the choice between auto/manual transmissions. My gripe with Ford has been that they've never offered the Cobra with an auto. There are some of us left that still like to go fast but have graduated into a yuppie [non-permissible content removed] lifestyle in which juggling a baby, a Starbucks coffee, and city trafic is too much to do while trying to clutch and shift at the same time.

    wallywalla: Simply put...the CTS clock sucks. Mine is off by 3 minutes as compared to the time you set on the computer. It's too bad that with all the other high-tech gizmos in the CTS they couldn't have thought to put in a clock that was set via radio; I mean, you can buy one of those 'Oregon Scientific' clocks for around $30 that will set itself to an atomic clock via radio waves so I don't see why GM couldn't have included one on the CTS. Car stereo and computer clocks are typically very innacurate because they don't use a quartz reference.
  • shifty4shifty4 Posts: 53
    wallywalla: When first delivered in March my analog clock was four minutes behind the digital clock setting. After several resets it somehow magically righted itself over the next few weeks. It is now in sync with the digital clock and has maintained perfect time for now over three months.
  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    Thanks - I thought it was just my CTS and that it needed to go back to the dealer. I'll try resetting the clock and see if the clocks go back into sinc over the next couple of weeks.
  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    Can anyone tell me how long it takes to get the survey from Cadillac in the mail? Bought my CTS June 7 and still nothing.Does it take GM longer to send them out? I never owned a GM product before so I'm just curious.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    The black CTS in Oswego is sold ! Guy sez
    they got FULL STICKER ! He sez we will have
    one one coming in Cashmere (ugh)! NO CTS
    in Syracuse either and they are running a
    379 mth lease deals with NONE to sell....
    O in stock, 5 on way, 10 to order !
    But still no GMO/GMS deal YET......geo
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    I'm sure you can find a dealer that will do the GMO/GMS deal and order one for you if you expand your search area. I thought I heard of several in NJ doing it. Besides, the long ride home would be fun!
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    But i would rather buy locally. Too buzy
    to travel now because our motel in Alex.
    Bay is open and jamming ! And my bar,rest,
    hotel in Hannibal too ! Too buzy to golf,
    Jetski , boat or fish ! My 96 Deville
    is still purring at 90k...If I have to
    wait so be it. Maybe at the end of season
    the CTSi will be around........geo
  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "GMO/GMS deal"??
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    This represents special pricing for certain people. GMS is for GM suppliers, but I can't remember what GMO is. Ever heard of the Ford "X-plan? Basically, if you have a relation to certain automotive coporations, you can qualify for special pricing on automobiles they sell.

    The other (GMO?) is for people who are related to GM employees or the employees themselves. They have a special website where you put in their Soc. Sec. # and fidn the special pricing.
  • machiavellimachiavelli Posts: 260
    GMS and GMO is the employee/retiree/family member discount. GMS is if you take the car out of dealer stock, GMO is if you order the car. If you order, you get an extra few bucks off (maybe 1%). It's basically invoice pricing, minus the dealer holdback. Supplier pricing is different than GMS.
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  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    You are correct......GM offers other plans
    for GM suppliers...dealer employees etc..
    But the GM employee, retiree deals are the
    BEST ! and NO advertising fees or BS either !
    Broken shoulder here too ! too much phsy.
    therapy 3 days a week. Can't have no fun !
  • shifty4shifty4 Posts: 53
    I took CTS delivery on 3/27 and received the Powers survey on 7/8/02. This is the first contact I have had. No calls from selling dealer and no info from Cadillac other than multiple mailings from On-Star. I am not complaining but am surprised by the lack of follow-up.
  • codyspawcodyspaw Posts: 1
    Has anyone had trouble with their CTS key fob? Mine seems to have a mind of its own as to whether it wants to work or not. Approaching 2000 miles on mine and will have the dealership address the key fob issue when I take it in for first oil change. Just curious if this is a common problem or just me.

    As to order delivery. I ordered my Diamond White/Neutral interior Luxury Option fully loaded on April 15. Was called by the dealer the first Saturday of June that "they haven't started building your car yet". Supposedly the dealer had one "just like I ordered" coming in July 2. "OK put my name on that one." In the mean time got on the GM Buy Power web site and found 2 "just like I ordered" at the local Cadillac competitor. Sent them an email to hold one of them on a Friday afternoon. Drove it home Saturday at noon. LOVE IT! Got $1500 discount and price of $38K. The guy that paid $43K... hummmmmmm???
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    I hope my note is in keeping with the current objective of this board.

    CTS was advertised as the Catera replacement, wasn't it? I am a very satisfied owner of a 2001 Catera Sport and would like to see comments from others who may be previous Catera owners, or who have driven both vehicles. I am hoping to see feature evaluations NOT relating to horsepower, or external styling; rather, how do the 2 compare for fit and finish, trunk room, neat features, and other attributes which may be of value to older drivers. I find the memory ability of the internal mirror a big help for 2 drivers, as an example.

    I owned 3 Cadillacs prior to leasing my Catera ('96 Concours, '97 Concours, and a '99 STS.) My owner satisfaction is much higher for the Catera...the headliner came loose in my STS, and discovered the only thing holding it in was velcro and magnets. The Catera is a solid design all around! What about the CTS?
  • necrosnecros Posts: 127
    Just an FYI to people on this board, today I picked up my beautiful black CTS MT with two-tone interior. As of the end of the drive home, I think it has 33 miles on it. I'll drive around a bit, and then post my impressions...:)
  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    tricky73 - I just returned from a 7000 mile trip around the MidWest with my CTS Sport with navigation. I traded a '97 Catera with 70,000 miles which I had driven around the country from Los Angeles to New England and back via Georgia and Texas.

    New features that I like,
    step-on parking brake on left to replace hand brake.
    right hand mirror with turn down feature to let you see the curb while parallel parking.
    much better cup holders in the console.
    driver's seat programmable auto slide back when door is opened.
    independent seat cushion tilt and back rest tilt on front seats.
    better center console storage.
    floor mats that stay in place.
    the optional navigation system is very good, although it takes a bit of experience to get used to its ideocyracies. I would reccoment it to anyone who makes frequent trips to unfamiliar locations. It saved me many an argument with my wife on the trip, as she has trouble reading a map and giving me directions while we are moving.

    Changes I could do without,
    lack of full instrumentation.
    no lock on the gas tank door.
    a smaller trunk, 12.8 cu ft. vs 14.5 cu ft on the Catera, although it is very square and easy to load.
    less space in glove compartment.
    less space in rear seat if you often carry adults.
    .
    A few notes on the mechanical side. The engine is an update of the Catera engine and is made in England, I believe by the same factory that made the Catera motor. The new 5 speed automtic is the same one used in the BMW 5 series. The ride in the sport option is just slightly firmer than the '97 Catera, I can't speak for later models.

    I hope this helps you to make a decision. If you have any other specific questions I will be happy to try to answer them. If you decide to stay with the Catera I would recommend that you purchase the extended warranty. You can purchase it as long as you are under the factory warranty, and if you sell the car it is a great selliing feature, or you can get a rebate of the unused time and mileage. It saved me a bundle when I had the transmission replace at 60,000 miles.
  • manuelmanuel Posts: 13
    congrats on your new cts, black is definitely the color it looks best in, to me. I especially congratulate you on your purchase of a manual transmission equipped cts, the stick will make it that much more of an entertaining car.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    The auto trans is made in France.
    Noticed it on the fed sticker !
  • wallywallawallywalla Posts: 26
    Congrats on your new black manual CTS !!!!!!!
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,294
    I'm a refugee from the Lincoln LS board where I've made a pest of myself by asking about the future of the manual transmission. In short, will there ever be a 240 - 260 hp luxury (or "near-luxury") sedan which handles well, has a manual and costs less than $45K?

    The Lincoln answer has recently been confirmed to be . . . NO.

    You folks offer hope.

    I'll pick up the literature and have a more serious look at the car over the next few months.

    CTS, G35, 5 Series (or 3, but it's too small), or 2.7T? Is that now the total list for those who will only drive a manual?
  • automoleautomole Posts: 154
    codyspaw: I have the EXACT same problem with the keyfob and my wife thinks I'm crazy when I say it doesn't work since she never has a problem with her remote. Whenever I use it and she's around it works great...I could be 30 feet away from my car and it will lock/unlock via the remote. Sometimes however I can't get it to work at all. I went into the coffee shop tonight and actually locked the door with the door button because my remote didn't want to work for some reason. When I got back to the car I couldn't get it to unlock even when I was only a foot away from the driver's door! For a couple of seconds I thought I'd have to go back in and call Onstar to have them pop the locks so I could drive home...luckily after about 10 button presses and holding the remote up to the windshield I got it to unlock. If you find anything out from the dealer let me know! So far I haven't had any real big problems other than the small annoyances with the remote and innacurate clock time.

    necros: Congratulations on your CTS! You have the exact same color combination as mine; my CTS has the automatic. I'm sure my opinion is biased but I think black is the best color to show off the CTS's dramatic styling.

    cdnpinhead: You owe it to yourself to take the CTS for a testdrive. It's a little bit lower than your HP requirements (220HP) but it handles much better than "well"! I've owned faster cars but the CTS has been keeping me VERY entertained with it's excellent handling and braking and it's power is more than adequate for my needs.

    bingoman: If the CTS's cup holders are much better I'd hate to see the ones that the Catera had! Seriously, they're not horrible and I like the way you can remove the tray for cleaning but it would be nice to have ones that you could put a BigGulp in. The non-locking gas cap on the CTS is another minor gripe of mine although I've yet to own a car that DID have a locking cap. Overall the features I love far outweigh the ones I hate.
  • automoleautomole Posts: 154
    I just found this helpful bit of info on the owners section CTS FAQ on the Cadillac website:

    "What should I do if my remote keyless entry transmitter does not work, or I have to stand closer to the vehicle?"

    "At times you may notice a decrease in range. This is normal for any remote keyless entry system. Take a few steps to the left or right, hold the transmitter higher, and try again. Battery replacement or resynchronization may be necessary. See your Owner's Manual for more information."

    -Ummm, I've had SEVERAL remote keyless entry systems and to have the range decrease to the point of not being able to open your door when standing a foot away from it is not "normal"!
    I also don't feel that I should have to do the hokey pokey in order to open my door! ...not very helpful info from Cadillac.

    I assume if I use the old fashioned method of putting a key in the doorlock the alarm will be disarmed, correct? I'll have to try it out tomorrow when I've verified the remote is working in case I have to disarm it.

    The owners manual says "push any button on the remote keyless transmitter to resynchronize the transmitter"...again, not very helpful info since you are already pushing "any button" to try and open the friggin' door!
  • machiavellimachiavelli Posts: 260
    cdnpinhead - If you're not in a rush to buy a new car, the '04 CTS will have an upgraded engine standard (250+hp), and Autoweek reported a week or so ago, there will be a CTSi with basically the same driveline as the GTO - 5.7L V8, 350+hp, 6 speed manual trans.
  • tricky73tricky73 Posts: 132
    Try putting the keyfob in the cleft of your chin when using it...the human body makes a reasonably good antenna, and will double the range in some instances
  • bingomanbingoman Posts: 373
    Automole - the cup holders in the Catera folded out of the console to a position directly over the hand brake. The supporting struts were notched in the middle to clear the console lid. The combination guaranteed that if the brake were applied while the cup holders were deployed the cup holders would break of at the notch. I broke two before I realized what was happening. When I tried to replace them while on the road the dealers were invariably out of replacement parts.

    As to unlocking with the key, the manual says opening the car with either the fob or the key will disarm the security system.

    I have the white diamond and I think it is the best looking color. The pearlized finish is much more attractive then a plain white. As an extra cost option my dealer painted the grill bars to match the car and I think it adds a great deal to the appearance of the car. I guess everyone feels that the color of their car is the best, otherwise why would they have picked it.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    Try changing the battery. It's easy and will at least eliminate it as a potential cause.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    Could someone please repost the link to monthly vehicle sales volumes for all brands?
    Thanks.
  • johnnylincjohnnylinc Posts: 308
    The best place I've found for all-brand sales figures is Autosite. Here's the link to the sales figures main page:


    http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/homfc.asp


    You have to click on a category (sedans, for example) and then on the Sales Volume link. The downside to this site is that its updates are fairly slow; the latest figures are for May.


    For more current Cadillac (and all GM brands) info, go to


    http://media.gm.com


    and list the articles for the current month. You'll find one for prior month sales at the beginning of each month. CTS sales for June were 3,466 units.


    For North American production figures for all brands, go to:


    http://www.autonews.com


    Midway down the page, on the right-hand side, there's a box titled "North American Car and Truck Production". Click on the "Click here" link to get production figures by week. Note: It's in .pdf format, so Acrobat Reader is required.

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