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Cadillac CTS/CTS-V

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  • ctsjerryctsjerry Posts: 94
    Someone posted the other day that they talked to "John" at Ronald Moran Cadillac about the car's computer "learning" how you drive and adapting to it. I had to ask John about it, so when I dropped by the Dealership yesterday we talked. He said the computer in the car adapts to the driving pattern of the driver. He said the average driver could care less about this, but for those who would like to reset their car's computer, the process is to drive the car at speed, quickly floor it, then quickly back off. After a few seconds, repeat again. The computer then goes into a "learning mode" and will adjust to your driving during the next 200 miles. Sounds weird, but I tried it. The car seems to be shifting better. Another anomaly went away that sort of bugged me: When I would put the car into SPORT MODE, it would only "stick" for 2 or 3 trips, then go back to normal operation. Since I did this simple process John recommended, the Sport Mode has remained on, after 5 or 6 engine starts and stops. I'm keeping an eye on this to see if the Sport Mode will stay on until I turn it off (that is what the Owner's Manual says it should do, but never worked for me). Warning: Be sure to do this only when it is safe to do so. I did this at about 30 mph and it seems to have done the trick.

    A couple of more comments: the CTS throttle is a "fly by wire" type. That is, it's all electronic, with no mechanical connection. The computer controls everything. Sitting still, if you floor the pedal while in Park or Neutral, the engine will top out at about 3000 RPMs. You can't rev it up to 6000 RPMs, like you can do in other cars. This is a protection feature to prohibit the driver from popping it into gear and damaging the transmission. Or over-revving the engine and damaging it. Interesting huh?

    More later... -Jer:>)
  • missouri2missouri2 Posts: 41
    calicadi, i am going to change my own oil in the next couple of weeks, getting ready for the road trip out west. i looked at the drain plug and it looks like a torx t40 torque head socket that you can buy any where. putting mobile 1 in. have used it for years and will use nothing else. has any one heard if k&n has a air filter yet for the cts.
  • fav002fav002 Posts: 25
    If you are in the market for a 2003 CTS before the end of June, please see my post #3001. As a GM employee, I have discount certificates to give away that can get you a base automatic CTS with no options for $28,950 versus an MSRP of $31,200. Basically the deal is any GM vehicle for 4% over our employee discount price.

    From your post it seems that you can already do better than MSRP, but if you want to save another $1,300 email me at FAV002@yahoo.com. I don't know how much the 04's will go up in price, but you'd be really lucky if your dealer honors 03 pricing on a 04 with the new engine.

    For others interested in a certificate, this offer ends June 30th. It would be great if this incentive program was available when the CTS-V comes out, but I think that's highly unlikely. I have my deposit down at the Cadillac dealer for the V-series...still waiting for final pricing before making a commitment.

    My CTS at the Race Track
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    I believe I read somewhere, that orange is one of the colors chosen for instrument panels/clusters for safety/medical reasons. It is said that its intended purpose is to produce an adequately luminescent background while reducing ocular fatigue (one less glaring obstacle), thus enhancing the overall night visual field, and improving endurance during long night drives, or night driving in general.

    I have one car with a blue back light. While sitting at the dealer on the night of pick up, I thought it was disgusting, but on the short drive home, I found it to be very relaxing and pleasnet to look at, and now when I'm not driving that car, I sorta miss the blue. I find that to be true of the orange background as well. So maybe there is a method to the madness.

    thebug...
  • wwhite2wwhite2 Posts: 535
    no slip or typo there it's what I call them
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Posts: 486
    Did anyone have a problem with orange gauges? Doesn't BMW also do this? Were the focus groups on this issue that bad that this was one of the running changes they had to do?

    Just curious...
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    BWM (and Pontiac) have used orange or amber instrument backlighting for years. I've heard the argument that it is easier on the eyes, but to me it just doesn't look as good. And I've never had a problem with traditional instrument lighting. On the Intrigue the gauges are "ice blue" at night and are very easy on the eyes. Had a car several years ago which had a digital instrument cluster and I had no problem with the blueish colored readouts. I personally like a white or light blue over orange. To me it just gives the car a more upscale look. If they could make one more change on the CTS, how about electroluminescent gauges like the Seville and DTS have. Then the CTS would be perfect:)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    The CTS does not have electronic throttle control (throttle by wire). It has a rev limiter which keeps it at 3K rpm in park or neutral (just like the 00-02 Lincoln LS) to avoid damaging the tranny as stated, but it does it by cutting fuel and/or spark. The new E class and 2003 Lincoln LS do have real electronic throttle control where the throttle is just a sensor feeding into the computer and the computer opens the throttle body accordingly. This allows the computer to control the throttle directly and coordinate it with the tranny shifting.
  • necrosnecros Posts: 127
    From: http://media.gm.com/division/2003_prodinfo/03_cadillac/03_cts/pr.- html

    "The longitudinally mounted V6 features a stiffer, stronger cylinder block, forged steel crankshaft, improved lubrication, better cooling and higher fuel pressure delivery to improve fuel injectors. Aluminum cylinder heads feature an improved combustion chamber design to reduce unburned hydrocarbons and a drive-by-wire throttle system for better emissions performance."

    And the tech inspectors at the latest autocross had a heck of a time finding my throttle return spring. :)
  • 32caddy32caddy Posts: 22
    I think we have all seen the ad where the woman driver gets out wearing a right foot sneeker. Well my wife wears a LEFT foot one so she can be more comfortable with the clutch!! How's that one??
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    With continuously variable valve timing, the throttle is usually electronic so the throttle opening and valve timing can be coordinated to minimize emmissions and fuel consumption.
  • ctsjerryctsjerry Posts: 94
    Did I mis-speak! So what is the offical word on the CTS throttle?

    The GM Media release seems to back-up my comments: "The longitudinally mounted V6 features a stiffer, stronger cylinder block, forged steel crankshaft, improved lubrication, better cooling and higher fuel pressure delivery to improve fuel injectors. Aluminum cylinder heads feature an improved combustion chamber design to reduce unburned hydrocarbons and a drive-by-wire throttle system for better emissions performance."

    If I'm wrong, thanks for the correction, as I hate to mis-state things. -Jer:>)
  • ctsjerryctsjerry Posts: 94
    This is of course a matter of personal choice, but I prefer either orange or blue over white. The white seems too harsh (As I mentioned earlier, I saw one the other day). Forgive me for showing my age, but I still remember that the State of California said back in the 1950's that the most easily read license plate color combination was yellow-orange & black. This was after extensive testing. That was why the State chose that combination from the late 1920's till about 1968. Of course now the State has gone to reflective plates, so the yellow-orange color is out. Anyways, I think the earlier model orange (or blue) is easier on the eyes. Drop by the Dealership and take a look at the newer CTSs and see what you think. -Jer:>)
  • tvdirectvdirec Posts: 22
    I personally like the orange backlit guages. White seems to harsh for my taste. Just received my first issue of Cadillac's Vision magazine. Nice little story in there about the plant in East Lansing. How the workers themselves are taking great pride in building a really great car. Also, a good sidebar on how they paint the cars. Robotics do most of the painting. Pretty interesting.
  • tyler80tyler80 Posts: 20
    The plant where the Cadillac CTS is manufactured is in Lansing, Michigan and last year I had the privilage of touring it during a city wide 'Be A Tourist In Your Own Town' program. The tour went through almost every aspect of how the CTS gets put together. The line had been stopped so you could get up close to the vehicles on the line to see how each phase of assembly was done. I've also toured one of the older GM plants and I can say there is truly a huge difference between the two. You can certainly see the effects of the $560 Million GM spent in Lansing Grand River plant. Even more cool was the fact that you could talk with people who worked on the line about the CTS and see in the way they talked and how happy they were to put together such an awesome vehicle.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    Well they sure are keeping it a secret. It isn't mentioned on Edmunds or on the Cadillac website or a couple of others I checked. You'd think a feature like that would be heavily advertised. I stand corrected.
  • jemillerjemiller Posts: 183
    Very common these days. Almost more notable if a medium/high-end car doesn't have it now.
  • ctsjerryctsjerry Posts: 94
    Tyler is 100% right. I don't know if many of you have seen the video put out by Cadillac of how the 2003 CTS is built. The video is AWESOME. It shows the robotic painting process and has discussions with the line workers and Team Leaders. They are very excited about the new CTS and really want it to succeed. All of the workers have 10 to 20 years of experience, and have been hand selected by GM to work on the CTS line. The whole process is apparently a new concept infofar as the Management and Union relationship. It shows how the car body is assembled as a complete painted shell, then all the trim & interior is added. The complete drive line is on a robotic dolly, and comes up from below to mate with the finished body. As I recall it takes about 27 hours to build a CTS. By the end, this video makes you feel very proud to buy this new American product. I was lucky to get a copy of this video from my buddy and fellow CTS owner "DarkKnight". He found his original copy on ebay, but I've had no luck in locating an original copy. Anyone have any connections to get us all one? -Jer:>)
  • ctsjerryctsjerry Posts: 94
    I got my copy in the mail the other day too. Is this a new thing for Cadillac owners? If so, I congratulate Cadillac on deciding to print this. We bought our '91 Caddy new, but never saw this magazine before. There doesn't seem to be a Volume number and Issue number noted anywhere. Anyways, nice articles. This magazine is a keeper. -Jer:>)
  • j1205j1205 Posts: 9
    After 1000 miles, I noticed my first scratch- it was on the driver door, about 4 inches long. Then I noticed 4 more just like it on the front fender, the back door and the back fender. I felt sick.

    I took it to the dealer and asked them to have their "ding/paint" specialist look at it while they replaced my radio for its high pitched hum on FM and took off the dash lens to clean it on the inside. Paint guy said he wouldn't touch it. The dealer then went to their affiliated Chevy body shop next door and they gave me a $1400 estimate to paint the whole driver side. I have the Red Garnet paint. It makes me sick to my stomach.

    After 2 days and a new radio from GM, the radio still hums so they still have the car.

    I want the car to look like new again. Am I dreaming? Where can I get the best result to try to match the paint? Are GM dealers the only place to go? Can Maaco do quality work? Money is not really the object. The car is brand new and I plan to have it for a long time.

    Forlorn in Virginia.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Posts: 486
    Ask them if you can see some of their handywork from their other customers firsthand, in bright light. As a GM dealership, ask them about the ability to match the original paint. And make sure they stand behind their work.
  • jemillerjemiller Posts: 183
    You're looking for a shop that does good-quality production/insurance-type work.

    Maaco typically is *not* it. The dealer's shop may be, but isn't necessarily. Nor does it have to be a "GM shop" - many if not most dealerships send their bodywork out to independents anyway and everyone gets the same color data. Check BMW and Audi message boards and see what recommendations you can get there. I've had my best results dealing with medium-sized independent shops.

    Most shops make their livings off insurance jobs, but not all are created equal - some are MUCH better than others. Surface preparation, attention to detail, and VERY careful color matching are critical, and you want a shop that knows how to remove and reinstall trim and moldings and mirrors and etc. PROPERLY.

    Are you putting in an insurance claim on this? Getting insurance companies to pay for properly removing/reinstalling trim moldings, etc. can be a PITA.
  • thebugthebug Posts: 294
    Isn't color matching done by computer nowadays?

    thebug...
  • mannytrannymannytranny Posts: 175
    Still heard nothing from the dealer so I went to ask why the delay. Service advisor said that the problem with the surround was a manufacturing defect and GM has changed suppliers.
         They looked at all CTSs on their lot and found 3 with the same problem. We've had a lot of cloudy days here with rain or showers on and off for over a week with more to come. The problem is quite noticeable now. The moisture really shows on the surround.
         The advisor claims that GM knows about the problem and has known so some time that it was a supplier defect. The part is on back order until July. The part replacement cost is near $600.
         The TSB that you referred to was for another leak problem and not just the surround moisture. No mention about sealant as a fix just a new part.
         
    j1205 Sorry to hear about the scratches. I have a scratch on the front of the hood and asked about getting it fixed. They want $300 to paint the entire hood. They will not do just a scratch even though it is only about an inch long.
          I'm not sure if the CTS vandals are running amuck but I just had an egg thrown at my car earlier this A.M. right on the parking pad. So it had to be someone walking by. The kids are still going to school and have about three weeks to go yet. Luckily I saw it and cleaned it off before damage was done to the paint. Mine is a black CTS.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Posts: 486
    You know, I would have been more than happy with Cadillac keeping the CTS-V up with the BMW M3, Audi S4 and C32 AMG for performance numbers. But 500 HP? Geeeeezzzz. If they are seriously looking at that for 2006, then what pray tell is in store for the STS and STS-V? Or the XLR-V? This could get pretty silly in terms of available power all around. If Cadillac continues down this trend, no one will be questioning their ability to reclaim a share of market leadership in the eyes of luxury car buyers.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I think I would be pretty happy with a 255 hp CTS that goes 0-60 in underr 6.5 secs.

    500 hp is just plain scary.

    That is like 650 hp in 1960s horsepower.
  • richw5richw5 Posts: 152
    but those "well placed sources" for the Car Connection article may have been given the job of keeping Cadillac in the news.

    The CTS-V is Cadillac's "entry level super car". The next generation should get the Northstar V8 (Turbo?) engine and stay at 400 plus horsepower. It's Cadillac's M3.

    The STS-V should get a "turbo or "Twin Turbo" version of the Northstar at 500 horsepower. Maybe, just maybe, the V12 will be used instead of the V8. It's Cadillac's M5.

    A Cadillac "Super Coupe" will be produced with the V16 engine, followed by "Sixteen" style sedan. Probably 750 horsepower.

    Government regulation, oil prices and/or insurance costs could change the all of the above in the blink of an eye.

    Just my thoughts.

    b4z - I agree, but I want 260 hp. My Vette was awesome with 345 hp at WOT (Wide Open Throttle). I can't even imagine 400 hp in the CTS or 500 hp in anything else. It's scary and probably dangerous.

    My wife hit a goose driving home from work the other day. No damage to the CTS and the goose walked away. The rubber air dam pulled loose, but I was able to put it back in place without a problem.

    Rich
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    The Olds Aurora has 250 hp but it shifts 400 rpms short of redline.
    The CTS will shift 300 rpms short of the fuel cut off.

    Sometimes hp ratings can be misleading.
    I will guarantee that the CTS will be as quick as the G35.

    Looks like the CTS will use every one of it's 255 ponies. Which should make for a quick car.
  • jemillerjemiller Posts: 183
    These news pieces are at this point more just PR-teaser fluff than serious detail. Still, a 6-liter 500HP pushrod motor would be sweet. The current LS6 has good part-throttle BSFC numbers, I expect its EPA mileage numbers aren't going to be too bad (of course, that depends on your standard of comparison, our M5 gets 17mpg and I'm content with that.)

    I'm more likely a CTSv customer as long as they're using the Corvette motors than if they went Northstar, and I'm more likely a CTSv customer as long as they're normally aspirated vs turbo.

    I still don't buy the CTSv as M3-competition - it's just flat too big. The S4 and C32 are a little closer to the mark - although they're still a fair bit smaller - I don't think your typical C32 driver was ever a serious potential-M3 customer. Just very different cars.
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