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I'm still not convinced that the styling is a hit and can sustain the sales volumes over time. If they continue to sell at the current rate in the first 6 months of 2003 then I will be convinced. Right now I think there is a small group of folks who are either looking for something radically different or are diehard Caddy fans who are purchasing and after they've made their purchases the sales will begin to slide.
I don't know a single person who thinks the CTS looks good. Family, friends, coworkers. I know there are some who like it but I think they are in a very small minority. For the beetle, tt and focus there are lots of people who like them.
In a survey I think you would be lucky to find 20% of respondents who like the CTS styling while the others you mentioned would be > 50%.
Like I said - if the sales numbers next year back it up, then I'll be convinced.
Dindak ; I will be in the Bay on Friday !
Send me your e-mail sonjaab@aol.com
I can't post the name here cuz the hosts
will blow a gasket ! But i can say its
the first little V shaped place exit
50 south off rt 81. My folks have been
going to the casino in Ottawa Quite often
or Rideau race track ! Even come on Sunday
lots of places offer Can. money at par !
My dad sez Can. dollar is up a few cents
against US dollar now !..
I didn't say the exterior was bad, just that it wouldn't appeal to a large enough customer base to sustain long term sales. I realize some people love it and that's fine. If Pontiac can sell over 12k azteks then the CTS can easily sell the first 30K units. After that it's questionable.
;-)
The improvement that Cadillac is talking about must be about replacing some materials with higher-quality ones, better leather, probably more wood and/or metals surfaces and such.
I have heard no news that Cadillac is redesigning the CTS's interior. I think the interior is fine. For next year, I believe they're adding some metallic trim and perhaps using a different type of dashboard material to build upon the car's high tech cachet. Which is fine. Either way, it doesn't matter, because this is not the kind of car people buy for the interior. It's functional and driver oriented, so it's got the goods where it counts.
The beetle styling has been pretty much the same since 1959 or so. I believe it's one of (if not the) biggest selling model ever. If it hasn't gone out of style since 1959 then I doubt it's going away any time soon.
Only time will settle this issue, so I suggest we wait and see how it's selling next year.
As for the redesigned interior, if Lutz can build a completely new car in 3 months he can get a new dash done in a year.
Have other CTS owners been contacted by GM requesting feedback on their likes and dislikes about the car? I hope our requested changes, many of which have been discussed here, make it into future CTS models.
-FAV002
Are you serious that no dealer near you will do GMS pricing? You need to get out of that Deville and into a new CTS!!
I got mine with GMS pricing in Florida and I know others who have gotten GMS pricing with no problem in NY and Michigan. As long as you have a GMS certificate, any Caddy dealer should honor the GM established employee price. If the one closest to you doesn't, have you tried contacting other dealers in different areas? Good luck!
-FAV002
"this is not the kind of car people buy for the interior" - I agree, insofar as the interior is less polarizing than the rest of the car. It's got good seats, and the driving position is good, the rest is neither particularly good nor particularly bad.
#$%&ing tough to take care of!
Anyway, the car was brand spanking new with 11 miles on the odometer when I drove it off the lot. So far I love it although I've had a couple of weird electronics related things happen; the first time I got back into my car and restarted it the CD player mysteriously had turned itself off...then I got back into the car after another stop and the airbag light wouldn't turn off. I rebooted the car by turning off the ignition and starting it up again and everything was AOK with no problems...strange!
Thanks again to everyone that helped in my buying decision!
Good luck with your new ride!
-FAV002
dealer in central NY. They do not have to
do gmo/gms if they don't want too. I
found this out last year when i wanted a
new 2500 Gm Xcab 4x4. I had to wait months
to get any dealer to bite. I was trading a
97 Chev xcab 4x4 27kmiles. In NY these
trucks sell fast and for big$$$$.
Its been a couple of days and no call back
from the Oswego CADDY DEALER on yes or no
on CTS. I figure if they were gonna do
gmo/gms the phone would be ringing !
I guess i will wait if I have to.
ENJOY YOURS !............geo
AUTOM....Enjoy your new CTS !
Hey guys get ya some Eagle one wet wipe
& shine and some diapers. Best stuff
for between wash clean ups ! A california
car duster too.
To wipe off all DROOL marks and
fingerprints on those new bad boy CTS !
I have had 5 black trucks..I know black !
I purchased the car GMS and yes I was contacted by Cadillac re: likes/dislikes
Has anybody taken a long trip and figured the mileage manually, not with by the trip computer?
I was at a car show in Madison about a year ago and I could swear that I was sitting in a cloth-lined CTS. The material was almost canvas-like in texture. It felt great and looked like it would last forever.
Am I nuts, or was a cloth interior standard equipment at one time?
I've owned three black cars. One is long-gone, one is now in primer enroute to becoming white, one will remain black for the rest of its existence. But I'll never buy another one. Too much trouble, and everything ages faster in a black car.
My Dad is a GMAC retiree, so I went GMO and had no trouble at all with my local South Jersey Cadillac dealer in getting the GMO price. Car will be Blue Onyx with light nuetral int., 5 speed manual and just about every other option except the engine block heater. Should get it by early August, I can't wait! Price is awesome - total is $33438 vs MSRP of $38490!
Went for GPS, sunroof, luxurt sport, xenon, split fold, heated seats.
-Scott
It wasn't mine (mother's), but I had driven it a few times. Felt a little loose to me, no power around town, too many rattles, constant problems--thankfully it's over.
But this is a CTS board! Since I have my own detailing business, I was passing out a few ads last night on some cars at the grocery store when I spotted a CTS! I've seen it before and it's clear the owner could care less about how it's treated! Fairly filthy, parked outside in a crowded parking lot with both front windows down and the sunroof open--just a disgrace. So, I put one of my ad/flyers under the wiper, and am hoping they call! It's sort of an Olive Green color (name?), has the Luxury Package, Sunroof, and I'm fairly sure the polished wheels (though they were so dirty I couldn't tell 100%).
Let's hope they call me!
Pereipheral now offers high-power-handing line output converters that could be plugged into the standard two-wire speaker wires coming out of the factory, and then run into outboard amps, DSPs or Xovers.
The only difficulty with this scenario is the elimination of noise in the factory system. If the factory amp is less than clear, there's no way to eliminate that noise. I'll listen to it when my black CTS comes in (supposedly by the middle of next week) and let everyone know.
Nothing really hit all my bases other than the CTS.
5 Passenger, 3 car seats just fit.
Acceleration good, matches Probe GT
Handling excellent, better than Probe and most competition.
5 speed stick.
Enough luxury.
Lots of high tech gadgets. I'm an engineer. I love gadgets.
I LIKE the styling. In fact I love the way it looks.
I also felt good to buy American right now.
And the big bottom line, GMO pricing, which makes it hard not to go GM, and once you are in GM's stable, NOTHING else even comes close to want I wanted. Thank you, Dad!
My only nitpick, like many others, is no temp. gauge.
I might have waited for the bigger engine, but the Probe does not always start, just busted a coolant hose, and blew the master cylinder. Its gotta go NOW.
I plan on posting a full review of my new car w/info on why I decided to get a base model SOON.
utica, oswego ny will not do GMO/GMS on
CTS........If they have one !
Have the GMO/GMS printout here,auto,roof,
bose,Lux pkg...sticker 34,715
GMO 30,342....GMS...30,782
I can wait I guess...........geo
Obviously other factors came into play, such as the looks of the car and the ability to get the manual transmission. (hey, there's a sale Cadillac would NOT have gotten if it didn't have the manual tranny option).
Interesting that his wife did not like the G35 ("hated it...too small looking"), and didn't like the CTS at first, but then it grew on her.
Curious, Cigar, as to what aspects/features of the CTS began to grow on your wife as she went over one more closely at the dealer, and as she test drove it. Please elaborate if you can. I take it she disliked the G35 even more so so that you didn't even get that close to one. (I'm a Caddy fan and driver, by the way, so I'm not looking to chide you for not taking a closer look at the G35).
Thanks for the post. What is your color?
ROB
-I'd personally rather see a fog light switch that stays in the 'on' position until I turn it off (current one resets to 'off' everytime you turn off the car).
-I'd also like to see the cassette player deleted from the base model stereo. IMO it's already a huge 'wart' on my dashboard since I don't use cassettes anymore (think back to the 8 tracks in 70's Cadillacs). Plus, the CD player will read CD-RW's so if you have a burner there's really no need to make a cassette. -This is coming from a guy that LIKES the huge computer-like protrusion in the center of the dash, however.
...more likes/gripes to follow! So far, I'm loving the car.
When are you going to post your CTS "review"?
She was impressed with the quality of the interior, especially the seating, which I think is often overlooked by those who want to pick on the dash design. We also thought, contrary to some reviewers, that the doors closed with a pleasant, solid thunk and that the overall build quality was very high.
The G35, she especially disliked the rear, said "it has no trunk" and I agree that the G35 rear end looks strange and stubbed off. My 3 year daughter, BTW, loved every car I looked at and gleefully climbed all over all of them! :-)
Daddy, you get that car?