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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    My bet is that if you were to put winter tires on your 'Z', it would become your favorite winter time ride (assuming it has enough ground clearance).

    The formula for calculating grade is:
    Percent Grade = (Rise/Horizontal Distance) * 100

    Givens: the Rise and the Horizontal Distance use the same consistent scale of measurement.

    Based upon that formula, your 30 foot driveway that climbs 8 feet over that distance has a gradient of 26.67%. As there isn't a single AWD or 4WD vehicle in my neighborhood that can climb even a 20% grade when it is snow covered, I'm thinking that you took your measurement with your Mark-I eyeball, and maybe its calibration is off by a few feet. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • robintrobint Posts: 8
    Hi, it’s RobinT from the Dodge Information Center again and thanks for letting me jump in.
    You all make good points especially with regards to RWD in extreme weather, but there have been several technological advancements in recent years. First there is weight transfer. The 2006 Dodge Charger has a near 50/50 weight distribution meaning the force pushing down on the tires shifts from the front to the rear. Then there’s vehicle balance which is distributed evenly throughout the car for better handling and braking. DCX is confident in their technology to minimize snow-traction objections. Standard with the Charger is the Electronic Stability Program, including Emergency Brake Assist, anti-lock brakes (ABS) and All Speed traction Control. This system aids in driver control and helps maintain directional stability over uneven surfaces and over patchy snow, ice or gravel. The vehicle corrects its path based on the drivers intended course. I think when you have the opportunity to test drive the new Charger, you may find the RWD system very different from what you’ve experienced in the past.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,599
    LOL. Yup, I'm sure my measuring tool of choice could use a tune-up.

    I think the 30 foot is actually generous, but the 8 foot is probably off. Maybe 5 would be closer. So, what's that? about 16-17%?

    I do know that, back in the day, my '87 4runner was unstoppable in anything with its all-terrains. I miss the days of manually locking hubs. ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,599
    HI Robin,
    Just wanted to make one small adjustment to one of your statements:
    "The 2006 Dodge Charger has a near 50/50 weight distribution meaning the force pushing down on the tires shifts from the front to the rear."

    I think what you mean to say is that the weight shifts from the front to the rear upon acceleration, which, frankly, is true of every car and has nothing to do with weight distribution. Its just simple physics.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I think what Robin meant was that the static weight of the new Charger is nearly 50/50 while most FWD cars are more like 60/40. There are any number of benefits that a car will gain by having a nearly equal weight distribution, not the least of which is neutral handling as opposed to the nose heavy "Plow" that most if not all FWD cars are afflicted with.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • robintrobint Posts: 8
    Hi, gbrozen. It’s RobinT again. You are correct and thank you for the clarification. It is these very principles however, that are the foundation for DCX’s enhancements to the 2006 Dodge Charger. We appreciate all comments and feedback.
  • enygma6enygma6 Posts: 35
    As the owner of a RWD 2005 Magnum RT, and having had the experience of driving it throughout the winter in the Chicago and southern Michigan areas, I must confirm that snow tires would probably be a worthwhile investment, even with all the fancy electronic assists.
    I had previously driven FWD and AWD vehicles before I bought a Magnum (previous car was a Subaru Impreza Outback sport), and when driving in the snow, I really missed the AWD feel from the Subaru. But I was using the standard all-season tires on my Magnum, so for next winter I WILL be investing in snow tires.
    The ESP, ABS, EBA and TCS are all welcome and useful (it came in handy avoiding a near-multi-car collision on a snowy highway in January), but I found at times with the Hemi motor, if the tires cannot get any grip, the car will not accelerate -- I have crawled across intersections slower than I could have walked it while other people drive past me without problems. After one particular snowstorm, I was unable to push through the snow to get up my driveway and into the garage, an approximate 5% grade, while my neighbor in a FWD car had no trouble pushing through 5-6" of heavy snow.
    Also, I found out that all the fancy electronic agents don't help much when the car starts sliding sideways (traffic jam on the highway while it was snowing, trying to accelerate from a stop, the heavy Magnum would occasionally slide sideways with the slope of the road before it would move forward).

    Just a word of cold-weather caution for those considering the Charger.
    However, on open road in good weather, put the pedal to the floor, and smile.
  • cfazzaricfazzari Posts: 77
    Robin: Welcome aboard, assuming you are who you say you are...

    I sent Dodge a hate letter asking them why the interior door panels of the new Charger look and feel like hard molded plastic, I asked them if padded vinyl had suddenly become too expensive for a $30000 car, and I asked them why AWD was not an option since a lot of us guys in the Northeastern U.S. prefer anything to RWD. (Shipo - You're still the man...Call me a hard-headed Guinea).

    I got back an automated response saying something like "Yeah we're excited about the car too"....

    Look if I was living in Florida we would not even be having this discussion. Graded driveways, weight distribution and traction all are very manageble on a hot dry piece of asphalt. Up here in New York if your car gets plowed in by a NYC Sanitation truck, you want that weight UP FRONT to pull you over the snowbank that gets created. Also ask yourself - why did Chrysler need to come out with an AWD Hemi-300 after one year if all of their friggin traction control was so special?

    Despite all of this, I still want the Hemi Charger more than any other car out there. I may even wait until 2007 if I think there's an AWD version coming. If I don't think it will happen then the Lexus ES 330 or the Chevy Impala SS or the Pontiac Grand Prix GXP all give me plenty of what I'm looking for. I know I'm not alone in that sentiment.
  • justgreat47justgreat47 Posts: 100
    when it comes to comparing the attributes of fwd to rwd in inclement weather. as a general rule, fwd will be superior over rwd. the advent of electronic controls has made rwd more manageable but there are a number of strikes against rwd that have not been addressed by the current crop of rwd platforms.

    one area that i don't think has been mentioned that is of crticial importance when trying to maximize your traction in a rwd platform is tire width: most moden high performance rwd cars have WAY too much rubber on the road for snow conditions. focusing the weight of the vehicle onto a smaller contact patch can do wonders for getting better traction in snow.

    another thing to consider: 50/50 weight distribution is fine for handling and does help with the traction problem in rwd to a degree, but only so much. not enough weight over the drive wheels will cause a loss of traction; that's why fwd is superior for wet weather traction. also, lots of rwd platforms DO NOT have great balance and the lh platform with the hemi is one of them. the fact that the 5.7 was cast in iron rather than aluminum was a major mistake, imo...totally wrecked any chance of having a balanced ride/handling and definitely forced the engineers to rely on electronics to mask the problem of too much weight over the front end.

    probably the one single factor that leads to crummy traction in a rwd application is the distance between the front axle plane and the firewall. there must be sufficient room between the two in order for the engine to sit BEHIND the front axle plane or the weight distribution of the car is severely compromised.

    one reason that fwd is so popular for packaging purposes, there is almost no intrusion of the drivetrain into the passenger compartment. unfortunately with rwd, in order to achieve the optimal placement of the engine/transmission in the wheelbase of the car, requires the firewall to be moved back into the passenger compartment, reducing the usable interior space for passengers.

    i have just skimmed the surface of design differences between rwd and fwd...think of the c5/c6 with the transmission mount in the rear along with the differential: now there is a solution that you can live with....great packaging, great handling and excellent handling in the nasty stuff IF you get rid of those wide tires in the winter.

    some food for thought. jackg 90seville 96k
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Just one question. Have you actually driven a well balanced RWD car equipped with winter tires in the snow?

    Another thing to consider is climbing a hill with FWD vs. RWD where the road is both slippery and/or rutted. I'm thinking specifically of I-80 east bound through Hackensack, NJ toward the GWB. Every FWD car that I've driven up that hill, in the dry, in the wet and in the snow, had been twitchy under power, at best (in dry), challenging (in the wet), and almost uncontrollable (in the snow). No RWD car I've ever driven up that hill has even felt the ruts much less been a problem to control. Like it or don't, torque steer is something that FWD cars suffer from, especially in slippery conditions, all of which is simply made worse at slow speeds for those of us who only know how to drive a manual transmission. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • robintrobint Posts: 8
    Hello cfazzari. It's RobinT. It's unfortunate that the previous email that you received lacked the information that you were expecting. Let me assure you however that the feedback and communication that we receive is a valued part of how DaimlerChrysler creates products for everyone to enjoy. Unfortunately however we cannot discuss future product plans or projects. However, any interest in our product whether it's negative or positive, encourages us to keep listening. We appreciate the time you took to communicate your thoughts.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,783
    How about a 2 door version? Wouldn't that have a chance to pull in new buyers instead of just competing against the 300 and Magnum? They say that 2 doors don't sell, but I certainly see enough 2 door Accords, Solaras, Gran Prixs and Monte Carlos.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    Robin: Welcome aboard, assuming you are who you say you are...

    We have every reason to believe that Robin is who she says she is :)
    Robin, thanks for sharing your information.

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  • cfazzaricfazzari Posts: 77
    Kirstie: Web logs shouldn't be given too much credence. That being said...Great!! Glad to hear that Robin is who she says she is.

    There are times when car companies have listened to their customers in the past (the most obvious example is the fourth door on Minivans). I speak for many in the Northeast when I say an AWD or FWD Charger will make the deal do-able. I will even put up with the cheap and poorly manufactured interior, although I hope DCX addresses this too.

    My dad used to say you should buy a car when you DON'T need one. This is a perfect example of why...I can wait, or I can switch to something more suitable.
  • cfazzaricfazzari Posts: 77
    Report: Dodge Charger looking like a hit

    Chrysler execs point to early interest in the car even stronger than that for the Chrysler 300C.
    April 18, 2005: 10:05 AM EDT


    NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Dodge Charger, entering production this week, could be another hit for DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler Group, according to a report in the Detroit News citing the company's counts of those interested in buying the car.

    The company has already gotten 20,000 orders for the Charger. So far 85,000 people have requested information on the car. Those numbers are higher than those for the Chrysler 300 sedan, which had the strongest first-year sales for any Chrysler Group vehicle in years, according to the newspaper.

    Global Insight, an auto industry forecaster, predicted annual sales of 70,000 units for the Charger, which, while outstanding, would not make it a "home run," the newspaper said.

    The Charger is based on the same engineering platform as the Chrysler 300 sedan and Dodge Magnum wagon. Like those cars, the Charger will also be available with the Chrysler Group's powerful "Hemi" V-8 engine.

    GSEMIKE - You'll Love This...


    DaimlerChrysler executives have said recently that American car buyers are no longer interested in two-door designs.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,783
    Since the Charger is just a differnet spin on the 300/Magnum platform, doesn't it make those cars is toughest competition? They're all the same car so the decision is pimp version (300), NASCAR dad (Charger) or slightly different (Magnum). Maybe of there was a 2 door, the decision would become Gran Prix or Monte Carlo or Solara or Charger?
  • 2000rt12000rt1 Posts: 8
    I ordered a Charger R/T on April 14th with Navigation System,Rear Seat Video, Convenience Group II, Electronics Convenience Group and Power Sunroof with a MSRP of $35,575 for $34,575. Should be in sometime in May or early June
  • cfazzaricfazzari Posts: 77
    Congrratulations!

    But I wasn't aware any Chargers were in the showrooms...
    Did you test drive the car?
    Which sound system are you getting?
    Which engine comes with the R/T?
    Who is your Dodge Dealer? Which City?

    Regardless, best of luck with it...Definately the hottest car for 2006!
  • robintrobint Posts: 8
    Hi again cfazzari and gsemike. I’m ecstatic about the communication that’s going on here. I’m so glad to see there’s so much interest. I wish I could tell you that your requests will all come to fruition, but as I mentioned in my previous post, unfortunately, I cannot discuss future plans or projects. I can however clarify DCX’s thinking behind creating the 2006 Dodge Charger.

    First off, let me say that the evolution of the Charger was a well thought out plan. The research that was conducted proved that today’s Dodge customers want the thrilling ride and handling of a sports vehicle, but with convenience and functionality. You get that with the new Charger.
    Yes, it does share the classic proportions of the popular 300C, but these proportions are handled very differently. Essentially, it is a 4 door sedan, but when you look at this vehicle you undoubtedly notice that the door handles are made flush and color keyed to be inconspicuous in order to play down the 4 doors. It also has a coupe-inspired roofline and a beltline that kicks up over the rear wheel arches all complimented by a bold and confident stance. It’s an open minded approach to today’s muscle cars.

    That being said, it’s important to note that the idea of a Dodge sedan was in mind even before the name Charger was chosen. We know that the Charger name has some huge expectations tied to it. The affection for these cars and the memories they still bring to mind are not lost to us. It’s a celebration of great American cars.

    2000rt1, let me extend as well my congratulations on your Charger purchase! I’m certain it will bring you years of fun and functionality. Hopefully, you will be posting some pic’s for all of us….
  • hardhawkhardhawk Posts: 702
    Robin, is there any chance of you or a counterpart joining in on the Dodge Magnum board? It would be great to have you or someone like you on that board as well. The Charger is great but some of us actually need the additional room the Magnum offers us. Thanks for your consideration of this request. ">
  • I've been trying to find out more about how the V8 works regarding shutting down the 4 cylinders when you aren't using them. It makes sense to me that if you aren't using them, the 4 cylinders in use would be more fuel efficient than the V6, however the estimated MPG shows the V8 has poorer fuel efficiency than the V6. Normally, of course a V8 would be more of a gas hog, but I'm wondering why a part-time 4-cylinder car wouldn't at least be comparable to a V6. I'm assuming the car is always firing 8 and later shuts down 4 if not needed, meaning you're mostly driving 8. Is that the case?
  • heinzh2heinzh2 Posts: 49
    Hey Robin! First I would like to thank you for joining in on this discussion. It's always a privilege to have someone from the company itself in on the discussions. I have a couple of questions that I think are safe to answer. First question is when are the Chargers are suppose to hit showroom floors? It was great seeing the Charger at the autoshow here in Atlanta, but of course we weren't allowed to go near it. Funny, now that I just typed that, that I was allowed to "crawl" all over the inside of a $100,000+ Mercedes, but yet had to stand at a distance for the Charger. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised that the Charger looked much better in person than in the photos. The front end looks as if it has a serious attitude problem ... and I love it! My second question concerns the Daytona model. I noticed that the center stack color matches the Go Man Go color of the car. Is this center stack color a "snap" on feature with a black color underneath, or is the material used for the stack truly that color?

    Speaking of the Go Man Go color and the Top banana color ... any chance of getting the Dodge website updated with some nice photos of the Charger in these colors? It's a shame that the Dodge website is kind of the last place to find great pics of the cars they sell ... just an FYI.

    Thanks again!!! Heinz
  • jimhemijimhemi Posts: 223
    Hi Robin T.
    I hope you can scroll through the pages and take note of some of the more critical opinioned fans such as myself and maybe rework things for future Charger versions. Hope you will be able to avoid the GTO pitfall.
    I have to know why Dodge was not able to make the Charger look more like this one?
    http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0404phr_dodge/
    Please, read the article and don't just look at the pictures. The car was built on the current LX platform given the specs of the 300C/Magnum. It was done with C.A.D software similar to what most car manufacturers have. I'm still no fan of the name of a beloved classic on a 4 Door boxy car, after all, You will never see a 4 door Mustang or Corvette. Just wish you all would have carefully thought that through instead of trying to capitalize with a marketing idea with NASCAR and bringing back a Classic name to an unclassy looking car.
  • cfazzaricfazzari Posts: 77
    Jim: I'm not sure a Charger was ever meant to complete with Mustangs and Corvettes anyway. Dodge had Challengers and Plymouth had the Hemi-Cudas that competed more directly with the Stangs and Vettes. I remember my friend Danny's 1973 Charger and although it was a 2-Door it was big enough for a family, and it had the classic 318 V8 in it for power. When you look at things in that light, I feel the new Charger fits it's past quite well - The new Charger will have more than adequate power and will fit more than 2 people comfortably. My guess is that the Hot Rodding article you point to would have been a much more expensive remake that what Dodge actually ended up producing. Taking the 300 and adding a Dodge skin makes more sense (dollar-wise) than building something from the ground-up.

    Now if Dodge wants to come out with a new Challenger or a new Barricuda, one would HOPE they take a long hard look at what the originals meant to us and try and stay true to the originals. Regards...CFF
  • robintrobint Posts: 8
    hardhawk - Is there any chance of you or a counterpart joining in on the Dodge Magnum board?
    Hardhawk…. Thanks for the invitation….. Yes there is a chance that the Dodge Information Center will join discussions within the Dodge Magnum board. But that decision has not yet been made… Just to let you know this is an entirely new venture for us. We chose the Dodge Charger as our “launch” vehicle because it’s brand new for 2006 – we knew there would be tons of questions and we felt that it presented the best opportunity for us to introduce ourselves to the online community.

    Chargergirl13 - I'm wondering why a part-time 4-cylinder car wouldn't at least be comparable to a V6.
    Chargergirl13 - Fair warning, Remember I’m a marketing representative not an engineer, so my mechanical acumen leaves something to be desired….
    • 3.5-liter High Output V-6 engine offers 250 horsepower and 250 lb.-ft. of torque and an estimated fuel economy of19/27
    • 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine offers 340 horsepower and 390 lb.-ft. of torque and an estimated fuel economy of 17/25
    There’s roughly a 2 mile EPA difference city vs. hwy, many would say that’s pretty comparable when you consider the trade off that you get when you “upgrade” to the HEMI (increase in HP and torque). DaimlerChrysler has considered a wide range of technologies for increased fuel economy. All 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engines come with the Chrysler Group Multi-Displacement System, which (as you described) seamlessly turns off the fuel consumption in four cylinders when V-8 power is not needed. The Multi-Displacement System, as designed, has cost and reliability advantages compared to competitive systems and minimizes the engine design impact, providing relatively low cost for the fuel economy benefit obtained. I hope this adequately addresses your question.

    Heinzh2 – Heinzh2, I’m glad to read that you too were impressed with the autoshow reveal… You’re not the 1st person to say that the 2006 Dodge Charger seems to “look better in person”. Just to let you know, my current information says that the 2006 Dodge Charger is supposed to hit dealer showrooms this summer… At this time the word on which month has not been announced. This essentially means it could happen as early as June or as late as the end of August…. Re: the interior center stack color… Are you talking about the center “console”? I’ve referenced everything I have, and there’s nothing explaining whether or not the color is “snap” on or a part of the material… I can check around, but I’m thinking the dealer would be better informed, and will probably be the best source to verify… Lastly pictures and the Dodge brand website…. There are ALWAYS pending changes…. Keep checking the site…

    Jimhemi – First let me start by saying you are not alone…. I’ve read many comments from consumers who feel similarly…. As mentioned in my prior statement, we know that today’s Dodge Charger customers want the thrilling ride and handling characteristics of a sports car, but with the added convenience of a functional vehicle. The 2006 Dodge Charger is a four door modern take on a 2 door classic. There’ve been so many automotive improvements/changes that were either obscure or unheard of that are now considered to be relative standards within the automotive world. Some were based on genuine need like improvements in safety such as airbags, ABS systems; even seat belts are relatively new additions when you consider how long cars have been around. Then you have those items that seemed like luxuries before they were introduced and now we can’t understand why they weren’t offered to begin with like convenience features ex. dual doors on minivans…. As always, I can’t speak to future design changes but the public demand often influences what turns up on showroom floors. We encourage all input (critically opposing as well as concurring), and appreciate your passionate defense of how you think the Dodge Charger should look. Thanks

    Cfazzari - My hero…
    T
    hanks for including me in the discussion…. Sorry for the delayed response… You guys have been awesome.
  • jimhemijimhemi Posts: 223
    I'm well aware of the history of the Challengers and the pony cars that they competed with. The point being, you wouldn't see a Corvette or Mustang with 4 doors was the same as why the Charger shouldn't be called a Charger. The 2006 Charger should have been called a Monaco or something more in line with Chrysler's rich history. This was a marketing ploy. I also don't need to be reminded of the Chargers/Daytonas of the 80's and 90's. Wish there was a way to erase them from car history.
    I just don't see how a little more R&D on the Charger, couldn't have brought upon a car more like the PHR one previously mentioned. I know the concept from 99 was from some old school Chrysler employees and ol' Dieter didn't want any part of the old school Dodge thinking in this new Charger. With regards to the answer of the new Charger and the modern day equipment we need in a car, please give me a better excuse then side curtain air bags and front and rear crumple zones causing the chape of the Charger to need a truck grill and bland styling. Your Benz cousins turn out some pretty nice looking cars that have great lines as well as functionality, not to mention the great handling of a sports car and the room to carry 5 people. They also have the best cup holders in the industry.
    I wish the 2006 Charger looked more like the NASCAR version, at least the NASCAR version is sleek, love them common templates.
    Robin T, let me know when you all attempt to remake the Challenger, I'll be more then happy to relocate and work for you to avoid another debauchery of a classic.(Can get you my resume if you want) I do suppose that even if the Challenger came out, and I'm thinking a Dodge Firepower version if one is on the horizon , won't be so high on the HP and Torque numbers so as to not compete with the Viper. From a marketing standpoint the Challenger would be a better car on the NHRA drag racing circut then then current Stratus in Pro Stock and Funny Car. It would be good seeing the Mopar banner on an actual rear drive car with a HEMI then what your racing effort currently shows. Is Lou Pattain still head of MOPAR racing and development?
  • owens2owens2 Posts: 21
    will 2006 charger have a awd option?
  • 2000rt12000rt1 Posts: 8
    Probably not in model year 2006...sorry
  • cfazzaricfazzari Posts: 77
    Read some of the thread above. For 2006 the short answer is "No AWD for 2006". But DCX will probably have to offer AWD as an option in 2007, just like they had to cave on the Chrysler 300. I can't buy a RWD car and live with myself the first time I get stuck in a snowbank. So I can wait them out, or buy a FWD Impala SS, Grand Prix GXP or even a Hybrid Toyota Highlander...The Highlander especially if our hand-holding President and his beloved Saudi Prince manage to drive the price of gasoline up over $3.00 a gallon next year.

    Hey Robin - We'll probably have to wait until our next life before we see a hybrid out of Germany, huh?
  • robintrobint Posts: 8
    Hi everyone! I’ve been away for a couple of days but I’m glad I sparked so much feedback!
    First off, I’d like to thank jimhemi for his offer…you have some great ideas. Secondly, your request for AWD is widespread, but don’t get discouraged. At this point it’s still very early to predict any changes to the Dodge Charger. The vehicle hasn’t even hit the dealer lots yet…
    Besides, I thought our previous conversation on RWD was pretty encouraging. You guys are a tough crowd… ;)
    Your enthusiasm for this vehicle, however speaks volumes. As I stated before, keep checking the site often and thanks again for your communications!
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