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Lexus IS 350 and IS 250

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Nippon:

    Forget $28,995. Won't happen. But I truly believe you'll be able to order a $29,995 IS. Can you wait the ten weeks or so from deposit? ;-)

    You can bet your fanny that this next purchase of mine (whatever it may be), I'm gonna order it if I can't find exactly what I want. My days of compromise are behind me (touch wood)!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Is the RX330 really an "SUV" though? I don't think it is. Its a crossover which is really a raised car/wagon like the Volvo XC90. The RX is hardly the benchmark for SUVs like the Cayenne, FX, Touareg, X5 or anything else that is mean to be driven, or meant to do any thing like off roading. The RX330 on road dynamics are simply awful compared to anyone of those I mentioned earlier. Also, I hardly think anyone from Land Rover thinks of a RX as a benchmark. Now the GX and LX 470 models from Lexus are real SUVs, not the RX.

    M
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    with just a roof and xenon.

    DrFill
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    There is no way an IS350 will cost over 40k. It's just not gonna happen

    You may be right, the base IS350 may cost $39,995.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    "There is no way an IS350 will cost over 40k. It's just not gonna happen..."

    I guess many people *speculated* (that word again) that the new GS would not reach the $60K mark. Well, try pricing a fully loaded GS430. Lexus believes it has earned some more capital in the NA market, and now believes it can price uplevel to that of MB or BMW. Watch the next LS price go beyond $60K base. There has to be overlaps between models - where one tops out becomes the other's starting point. Tell me how the new GS300 can be selling for $50 large! That car, appropriately priced, should be in the mid-$40K range. That, imo, is the sweet spot. The IS350 will reach $40K easily, when fully optioned up.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    An optioned out G35 6MT is around $37K. A similar IS350 should cost maybe 1-2K more, so $39-40K is perfectly reasonable.

    The RX may be the poster boy for the "soft roader", but it destroys the competition in the most important factor, sales. How many X5s or Touregs are REALLY taken off road?
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    The RX is a HUGE money maker for Toyota. If each one makes $5,000, times that by over 100,000 and you have about half of a billion dollar profit just from the NA Market. And base on the fact that it is now makes in Canada, and the Toyota cost cutting drive, I suspect each car profits more than 5K. BMW and Benz are dying for that kind of number every single day.
    remember the day when a DCX SUV makes about $10K each? Toyota are selling those vehicles now.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    I belive it. Looking at a local autotrader there are a couple of older GS300, a few IS300 and about 40 later model RX. Probably due to the higher sales volume ,But lots of them were late models with low miles....hmm

    DL
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Looking back... the overpriced first-gen. GS loaded cost $50K in the July 1996 Car and Driver test. I hardly think that same $51K for a GS 300 AWD with NAV/Mark Levinson, Moonroof, Adaptive Lighting, Run-Flats, etc. is unreasonable. Its also about $6K less than a comparable E350. (Lexus isnt aiming to compete on price with Infiniti and Acura, though the premiums against the M35 AWD and RL, for example, are far less than those that BMW and MB ask for similiarly equiped vehicles.)

    "That, imo, is the sweet spot." Yes, for the consumer, perhaps. But if Lexus can sell the same volume at a higher profit, it will do so. For now, only after some time passes will we be able to analyze the effectiveness of Lexus USA's strategy.

    ~alpha
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Standard Equipment
    - SmartAccess with push-button start
    - Optitron Instrument Cluster
    - Power Tilt/Telescopic Steering Wheel
    - Steering-wheel-mounted Cruise Control, Audio and Display Controls
    - Bluetooth® technology
    - 10-Way power seats with memory for driver and passenger
    - Wood and/or Metal trim interior
    - Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control
    - Mini Plug accessory connector
    - Illuminated Scuff Plates on door sills
    - AM/FM/CD, 13-speaker audio system
    - Ten airbags, including a first-in-segment double knee airbag

    Optional Equipment
    - Ventilated Front Seats with multistage fans
    - Touch Screen-Voice Activated DVD Navigation System
    - Mark Levinson Premium Surround Audio System
    - Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
    - Intuitive Parking Assist
    - Rain-sensing Windshield Wipers with Headlamp Washers
    - Power rear-window sunshade
    - XM® Satellite Radio capability
    - Lexus Pre-Collision System (PCS)
    - Intelligent Adaptive Front Lighting System (I-AFS)
    - Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management System (VDIM).

    This features list has been confirmed by several sources, as well as interior photos of the IS shown in Geneva.

    Equipped with all of the above, I'd be shocked if the IS350 comes at less than $44,000. PCS alone should be a $2000 option. Hopefully, I'll be wrong.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    IS250: $31,000 base, $37,000 fully loaded (without PCS)
    IS250 AWD: $33,000 base, $39,000 fully loaded (without PCS)
    IS350: $35,000 base, $42,000 fully loaded (without PCS)

    PCS will be a $2000 special order option.
  • mexcarmexcar Posts: 21
    Thanks for the great info. Just wondering whether you knew about the sunroof mentioned earlier as an option and/or about ABS or Trac?
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    I agree 100% with your price guesses. Exactly my guestimates, as well.
  • What is all this IS 250 talk? I thought we decided that here probably will not be a IS 250 in the U.S.?
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    "Have you all forgotten the way the ls400 stole the thunder or bmw and MB? My god, the car was a sensation at 35k-40k loaded. It flew off lots because it was quieter, faster, more elegant and more luxurious than all its direct competitors at a price thousands less than BMW/MB could touch."

    I just read an LA Times article about the RX400h. There is suspicion that the LS400 was underpriced to establish the brand. Lexus may have taken a loss that a giant like Toyota could amortize.

    There is suspicion they may be doing the same with the RX400h. A lot of people are squawking about the pricing but all the hybrid components may cost well over whatever the price delta is from a comparably equipped RX330.

    Anyways, I think there are ES330 models on Lexus dealer lots which are like 41-43k. Put a 3.5 engine which will outrun the BMWs and the Audis and they will most certainly price it in the mid 40s, which is where the competition is.
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    It looks like most of the Lexuses these days come with a lot of these options. The main things they don't all have are Nav and ML.

    So unless you want to special order, you're going to get ventilated seats and rear window shade and such.
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    "- Mini Plug accessory connector "

    They call this "equipment"?

    It's a good feature if they can't offer iPod compatibility (charging/control/display) but it's equipment?
  • So, how possible is it to get the 2005 IS300s at a killer price, say near invoice?
  • mg808mg808 Posts: 22
    Lexus must be dreaming of selling 5000/month of these cars at these prices. Even with vented seats and other "goodies". The IS is smallish car.

    The G35, TL are loaded in the mid-$30's with 270-290hp. Why buy a smaller car for more money and possibly less hp, if the IS350 isn't introduced, its speculation at this point.

    I think the pricing needs to be way lower or it will be squeezed out at both ends. BMW and MB will keep their "high-end" customers and Acura/Infiniti will still have their customer base. Remember, all the other cars in this segment have a established following with HUGE sales numbers. Lexus hasn't retooled the IS since inception. At $42K or higher, it will be hard to dethrone all the current players.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    We'll have to see what happens. While the TL and G are great values, they wont be able to offer the engine and body options that Lexus, BMW, and Audi will have.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    nice list but I don't see the options I really care about:

    Leather, Xenon and moonfoor. I have no use for any of the other options and if i like the car I'll gladly order it without laser cruise and ventilated seats and such. Don't need or want that stuff.

    can't see them making moon standard but maybe xenon lights. Shrug, regardless, I feel I can get an IS at a reasonable price if the options are just tacky gizmos.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Those are the best options.

    I think there are going to be three levels of Lexus IS buyer:

    Those sold already because the car is a Lexus and looks cool.

    Those who like the car, but will become sold once they sit in the new, posh interior. It's interior seems much more luxurious than the 3 or the G35. Similar to the TL.

    And those who are drivers, and want the best driver's car for the money.

    I wouldn't worry too much on sales. I guess we can't project too much without knowing the other engines available. Who even know how much power the 2.5 has!

    But with coupe, conv., hybrid, and maybe V8 down the road. whatever they sell in 2006, that number may double by 2008-9.

    DrFill
  • k_mitsuik_mitsui Posts: 26
    This question should be very easily answered: If you get the list of equipment and options on the Crown Mark X sedan, you should have a very good understanding on the kinds of options and equipment this car has...From what I know so far, both laser cruise and ventilated seats would be implanted on the IS as an option, but I am talking to the ones that is selling in Japan (So may-be the ones in America would not have these options). In terms of pricing not surprisingly, my friend whom works as an official in Toyota seems to be very accurate that the sedan with the best powerplant and option would sold around 4.2 million yen ($42000 American approx) and the cheapest would sell around $28000 American. I would not anticipate the pricing would change by much given that too much funds are already invested in this project already. So unless Toyota change their mind on last minute prices would stay as it is Before I end my message, I know that either Carmode or Carview or some other magazine in Japan would have their full road-test review on the IS ready by next week and if I have time this week, I would try to summarize and translate the entire article to everyone in this forum...
    Ken
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    "Who even know how much power the 2.5 has!"

    In recent auto articles from the Globe and Mail and the National Post, the HP of the 2.5 IS will be 206. Yes, only 206 and this is not a typo error. I read both figures seperately in both papers!
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The 2.5 in the European IS250 has 201 hp and 184 torque.

    A loaded G35 sedan with Premium Package, Wood, Navi, and Satellite radio is $37,610. Add AWD and it is $39,410.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    that figure is based off of the anticipated power need in the UK.

    The US version will be more powerful, and more details will be released at NYIAS, for both the 250, and any other model that will be available this fall.

    I wouldn't bet on 206. That's not it.

    DrFill
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Assuming we get the 2.5L model, expect hp to be in the 210-220hp range. The 3L motor, if we get that should be in the 250-255hp range, and the 3.5L motor in the 300-320hp range.

    Its going to be another couple of weeks before we know for sure.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The hp figure of 201 for the 2.5 IS is a Canadian and a European spec.

    Hate to break the bad news to all of you folks but Lexus cars in Canada are identical to the cars in the US.

    Buying a 2.5 IS in the USA with more hp than 201 is just wishful thinking.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,457
    Let's see..

    IS250... 201 hp
    325i... 215 hp

    IS300... 245 hp
    330i... 255 hp

    Something about this reminds me of the launch of the original IS300..

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  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    There won't be any IS300. There will be an IS350. It will be faster than a 330i, no doubt.
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