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Lexus IS 350 and IS 250

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Holy Moly! When I encountered a 645 for the first time, I came up on its six from a distance, and until I was close enough the read the badge, I was fully convinced I was looking at a very nice tuner job on an Eclipse. No lie.

    Every thing the old 630 CSi was (as in styling icon), the new 6 is most definitely not. Still a nice car, of course...
  • Here is the pricing on the IS 250/350

    2006 IS250 (base model)
    $ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
    $ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
    $ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD

    2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
    $ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
    2005.03.23-confirmed that it WON'T be fully loaded only! maybe 42k for fully loaded price)
  • I hope thats true. Where did you find this information? Any pricing on Packages?
  • ..exactly would you get this info? First off, I don't recall people in the Lexus-know-how to ever refer to the new 6 speed as an "e-shift". That is pre-06 IS. :confuse:
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,295
    assume that these numbers (if true) are sans destination, so that makes a base 6 speed 250 ~28.1K. WOnder how much extra to get a roof? Knowing Lexus, probably about 4K worth of other stuff I don't want or need.

    But, if a nicely equipped IS250 with a moonroof can be had for a sticker of less than 30K, it will certainly get a look. About the cheapest 325i with what I consider the bare basics will be ~32K

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • I'm surprised no one has responded to your inquiry about the Mercedes C350. While the BMW 330i and Infiniti G35 come up often in this thread, nothing is ever said about the Benz, which is pretty clearly in the same club. I plan to drive the C350 and the IS350 after the IS comes out. Car being replaced is a '95 M3, and as much as I love the way it performs, I really don't want to get another BMW -- way too much expensive shop time.

    cooney
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    It's just my opinion. Again, if you look quickly they seem similar. If you look closely the lines are not the same. There front wheel on the IS is more centered than on the G6. It gives the appearance that the fenders and hood are longer on the IS. The front windshield looks shorter on the IS. The front and rear doors have totally different shapes (particularly the rear one). The back fender has a larger flare on the IS. The back end where the rear window is situated has a totally different slope. I'm sure if we could see them side by side the differences would be more evident (I don't think it's fair to compare pictures). This is just my opinion. If I ever mistake one for the other (once the IS is released), I will post an apology.
  • Well, of course I am 125 miles north of the Belmont event. Up here, we don't consider this "WAY upstate", we save that for Lake George and north (another 2 hours). :-)

    Farther south - say Westchester, NJ, SE CT - population density probably keeps the road clear enough of snow for RWD and traction control in most situations - I agree with you there.
  • I challenge anybody to tell me they look alike! :)

    I hope people wouldn't confuse this:

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    with this:

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    Hey, anything can be compared, doesn't mean there is any sense in it!

    There is function in the IS's design. Afterall, it didn't get its class leading Cd (coefficient of drag) by copying the G6 design (or any others for that matter). Same goes for the LS (there is a reason why the LS, which is said to have copied the S-class, has the lowest Cd and it didn't come by copying the S!).
  • They look really similar to my eyes. Same front, same c-pillar to trunk. same slab sides. jsut plain bland looking car (mind you the only car in this class I think is moderately nice looking I'd never buy - A4).
  • g17g17 Posts: 45
    "Similar" was defined by the older rears on 325's and Civics of the 90's.....
  • The more I look at the IS, the more I like it. That is one hot car. IMO, the styling, the performance, the luxury & the Lexus reliability gives the IS the edge over its competitors.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    That one is well-documented. The Civic tried very hard to ape BMW, to the point that I often couldn't tell the difference from behind.

    True, the detailing is substanstially different between the IS and G6, but the proportions and shape are remarkably similar, and again, it surprises me because one is a FWDer, with all the design constraints associated. The only plausible reason for that I can come up with is the new European pedestrian safety regulations. Even Jag's new XK design was significantly impacted (so to speak) in the nose by the reg's. And not in a good way.

    Styling is not a Japanese forte. It just isn't. The best results are had when a great benchmark is identified and knocked off. Toyota's 2000 GT and Datsun's immortal Z from Ferrari, the LS400 from Mercedes, etc., etc.

    It's a nice-looking car, but that nose? Shorter is better where overhangs are concerned. Much.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    It does look similiar to a G6. I guess both are hot cars.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,035
    I really think the four-door Alero looks similar in profile.... much more than the G6...

    But, then again... I need bifocals.. ;)

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Hah! And you call me old...

    I tried (casually) to find a profile shot of a four-door Alero, but (thankfully?) I was not successful.
    ;-]
  • .. I can prove it that you don't: :P
    This:

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    looks like this:

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    (I am kidding) :D

    I would say that the IS is more rear-oriented and looks swept-back like it is in motion. The Alero and G both look very centered and neutral looking. That is just my opinion though. :confuse:
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Run AWAAAYYY!

    No, the Alero seems further away, and for the reasons Mike offers. I still say the G6 profile is remarkably similar.

    OTOH, we could just call it the tC350 I s'pose.
    }-]
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,035
    Yeah... pictures are funny.. If you saw them together, they wouldn't look anything alike.... The short front overhang of the IS (ala 3-series) makes it look much more aggressive... Of course, the Alero is FWD...

    But, where I really see the resemblance is in the C-pillar and the way the rear door cuts into it.... That is a styling feature that always caught my eye on the four-door Alero (not in a good way), and it was the first thing I noticed about the IS..

    I think the new IS will be great looking.... in the flesh.. Unlike some other people, I really liked the old one....

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • The info is correct about the prices, I have no clue on the packages but I would guess they would be about the same price as years before. I'm not sure if it is called the E-Shift anymore but i am possitive on the pricing, I got them from a really good source!
  • Honestly if you're on the money that'd make a decently outfitted 250 6mt about 30k. That's pretty impressive.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Thing is, can you really walk in to a BMW dealership and get a 325i with ZERO options? If you want to pay the $31,575 base price you also only get three color choices (white, black, red), as the other 10 or so colors are another $600. If the prices posted above are correct, a very nicely equipped IS250 6MT should be $32 g's (including about 3-4k in options...).

    ~alpha
  • Ditto BGDC... If you are right, hyperlite, then that would be a very appealing IS 250 with xenons, moonroof, ventilated leather, ML, and MT. Probably could get that for around 32Kish? The price is most definitely right!

    There would be room for me then to do some aftermarket wheels, and engine mods, all at a lower-than-expected price. :D
  • legarlegar Posts: 71
    Hyperlite,

    1st) Your Prices look like you stole them from another site which was already mentioned.

    2nd) Those are Acura TSX Prices, a TSX has an I-4 and FWD. It wouldnt make any financial sense for Lexus to sell a RWD V6 compact luxury car for such low prices.
  • hing is, can you really walk in to a BMW dealership and get a 325i with ZERO options? If you want to pay the $31,575 base price you also only get three color choices (white, black, red), as the other 10 or so colors are another $600. If the prices posted above are correct, a very nicely equipped IS250 6MT should be $32 g's (including about 3-4k in options...).


    Yes, easily. you order it and do it ED and you'll save another 3-4k off sticker. Shrug. Why are you all so bothered by the VERY common notion of ordering a BMW?

  • 2nd) Those are Acura TSX Prices, a TSX has an I-4 and FWD. It wouldnt make any financial sense for Lexus to sell a RWD V6 compact luxury car for such low prices.


    That's a LOADED TSX with leather, xenons, moon, stability, etc.

    And if lexus wants to lure people to the IS250 they better start it at sub 30k as the car has no standard features and a small engine vis-a-vis the competition: TL (258 hp, 32k loaded), G35 (31k starting, 298 hp).
  • Lexus.ca, the Canadian website, has been updated with new Lexus IS information. No pricing still. I would expect US updates soon.
  • jrynnjrynn Posts: 162
    What do you mean "LOADED TSX with leather, xenons, moon, stability, etc."?

    Acura offers two choices: with (or without) an automatic transmission; and with (or without) navigation. EVERY TSX has leather, xenons, moon, stability, etc.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    But ED isnt an option for everyone, some people can just get up and go to Germany for a week. I dont think people are bothered at all by the notion of ordering a BMW, I just dont think many have that liberty.

    ~alpha
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