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Towing with the Highlander Hybrid

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  • pdx35pdx35 Member Posts: 3
    Ok... has anyone else towed with their HiHy? Any positive or negitive experieces???
  • ljmiiiljmiii Member Posts: 7
    I have a highlander hybrid and (am about to) have a 16' airstream trailer. I've started to look at hitches online and have a couple of questions...

    Does anyone know if the hitch available through Toyota has a tongue weight limit of 300 lbs or 350 lbs. I asked my local Toyota dealer and got no answer.

    Are you all having your toyota dealer do the hitch/wiring installation or is there some other good place to go?

    thanks in advance,
    leo
  • terry92270terry92270 Member Posts: 1,247
    Towing Prep Package — includes upgraded radiator, transmission oil cooler,
    130-amp alternator and trailer prewiring; 4-cylinder models add: 3000-lb. towing
    capacity
    ,5 engine oil cooler, power-steering oil cooler and 120-watt fan coupling;
    V6 models add 3500-lb. towing capacity,5 and 160-watt fan coupling.

    According to Toyota, the tongue weight limit is relates to the capacity, therefore 3000# = 300# tongue weight, 3500# = 350#.

    Congratulations on the Airstream! We have very found memories of the one we had, and know you will have a blast with it. :)
  • deserthhdeserthh Member Posts: 11
    There are a number of shared towing experiences within this thread (it does meander quite a bit). All, including my own, have been very positive. Toyota specs for '06 HH 4wdi: 1431 lbs max payload, 3500 lbs max trailer weight. Curb weight of this HH limited: 4245 lbs. With 268 hp net, you get 15.8 lb/hp. With my '93 GMC Suburban, it was 23.1 lb/hp making the HH 46% more powerful! The HH 2wd eliminates the rear wheel motor, increasing your payload, but reducing your net horsepower a bit.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "With 268 hp net, you get 15.8 lb/hp. With my '93 GMC Suburban, it was 23.1 lb/hp making the HH 46% more powerful!"

    Just a tad bit unfair, unless you also list the total towing capacity of the 1993 GMC? In terms of maximum towing capacity, I suspect the GMC was more powerful...
  • bravovictorbravovictor Member Posts: 1
    I'll add my two cents to this thread. I towed my glider trailer last weekend with a HH 4wd. Glider trailers are tricky to tow because of their length (28') and the fact that they have a lot of sail area. Weight is about 1800 lbs. The rig was rock solid in mountainous terrain with a 25 mph crosswind. Was at least as good as my previous vehicle, a Grand Cherokee. I am quite pleased with the performance. Overall, I am getting about 26-27 MPG.
  • ljmiiiljmiii Member Posts: 7
    6 months later and my questions became answers. I got a weight distribution capable hitch reciever on etrailer, had it and a prodigy brake controller installed by hecht, got an equal-i-zer W/D hitch, and have been happily towing my 16' Airsream ever since.

    As others have mentioned, the 2006 HiHy has extraordinary power for its 3500lb tow rating. The 2008 is another story - same engine, 500 extra pounds, and a 5000lb tow rating.
  • deserthhdeserthh Member Posts: 11
    Absolutely, with a 10,000 lb rating, this GMC was designed for heavy duty hauling. Unfortunately, its ICE was rated at 230 hp (3600 rpm). The vehicle curb weight was 5535 lbs. Patience was always needed when towing.
  • sharirichardssharirichards Member Posts: 1
    RE: As others have mentioned, the 2006 HiHy has extraordinary power for its 3500lb tow rating. The 2008 is another story - same engine, 500 extra pounds, and a 5000lb tow rating.

    Does the '08 really have a 5,000lb tow rating??? I can't verify that anywhere - Toyota's website,etc. I am anxious to find out -- It will make a difference in whether or not we purchase the HiHy.

    Thanks!
  • cdptrapcdptrap Member Posts: 485
    The 2008 Highlander Hybrid still tows only 3500-lbs.

    Please see the following link:
    http://www.toyota.com/highlander/specs.html

    If the link takes you to general specifications, click on the "CAPACITIES" tab and it will show the towing limits.

    So the car still does not have enough continuous torque to tow. This is the only time I wish they do not detune the V6 in the hybrid model. Make this a 350-hp monster with electronic speed limit at 112-MPH but let the V6 have the full gas-powered 270-hp torque to tow 5000-lbs.

    Ah well, I am dreaming.....
  • robanglinrobanglin Member Posts: 1
    Hi,
    I bought a 16' Airstream Bambi Quicksilver Edition last year and have been towing it with a monster 15 person Dodge Van! Our other car is a Prius (to even out the carbon footprint playing field!) and I would love to get a 2006 or later Highlander Hybrid to tow it just like you. Now that you have been at it for a while do you have any further insights and does the HH still do the job with the Airstream. I would love to prove the doubters wrong and buy a Highlander Hybrid for the Bambi. Do you still feel the same as your previous posting and what exactly should I do to modify the HH for towing the Bambi. Thanks so much for any input you have and I commend you on making the hybrid work with the Bambi. I await your reply
  • cdptrapcdptrap Member Posts: 485
    Hi, I notice our posts are really old, dating back to last year, so I will chime in.

    We bought a Toyota hitch and necessary gear for the '06 HH and had a local shop install the whole thing. It seemed simple enough to do it myself but too busy.

    We have not towed something as large as an Airstream but we have tow trailers totaling about 2000 lbs for ranch work and no problem so far. This is in Northern CA, Mt. Shasta, Mt. Lassen area so the roads are windy and mountainous. Our '06 has no problem taking this load and maintaining posted speed. We do slow to 55-MPH when towing on freeways. Absolutely no problem. THis is using an old low-tech tow bar.

    Starting from a dead stop is not a problem especially when the hybrid pack is fully charged. There is more than enough torque to get things rolling. I am used to an old V8 and this HH easily beats our V8.

    Mileage will come down though, especially in mountainous terrain. We average 25-26 MPG a tank but when we tow, mileage can drop as low as 20-MPG on a heavier long haul or 22-MPG on a lighter load.

    The '07-'08 HH are heavier than the '06 HH so in terms of stability, the car provides excellent damping.

    As ijimii wrote, be sure to get good tow bars. Newer models now work to control swaying and so on. They are worth every penny when towing something like a camper. We will be getting one of these to replace our old bar after some more research.

    Hope this helps a bit.
  • eessydoeessydo Member Posts: 3
    If you want to get an aftermarket hitch, view this youtube link and it will show you how to install.

    I got lucky and forced the sales person at Toyota to toss in a toyota hitch to make the deal. They were 12 cars off their number for the month.
  • gerkcraiggerkcraig Member Posts: 2
    I have a boat and trailer that weights 3300 lbs. How will this Hybrid pull my boat? Looking at purchasing this vehicle but concerned with damaging the engine or batteries. Any concerns with this.
  • gerkcraiggerkcraig Member Posts: 2
    I have a boat and trailer that weights 3400 lbs. Any issue with towing to the designed limit.
  • cdptrapcdptrap Member Posts: 485
    Someone posted here that he tows an Airstream (forgot model #). If that is close to 3500-lbs, it may address your concern? You can look on AirStream site for their specifications and look back through this thread to find his posts.

    We have now towed up to 2500-lb without problems. If this old trailer of ours were bigger and heavier duty, I will have no qualm pushing the weight to 3000-lbs. We have towed on mountain freeways (Northern CA - Redding, Shasta area) and no detectable problems at all. Our '06 HH performs normally and we are confident it can tow up to rated load.

    Except for the need to slow down and be safe when towing, we have detected nothing of concern from the engine and the battery pack. The engine runs fine as usual, oil change is 7500 miles (Synthetic) and I did not see any early darkening or thinning. Brakes work fine and no excessive wear as of last service about 1 month ago. Our tires do wear out faster though but we also drive a lot of dirt and nasty ranch roads.

    We normally have only two adults in the car when towing and few gear in the trunk. If you load up the car with people, gear and such, please do estimate the weight and see if it impacts the tow-rating.

    Hope that helps a bit.
  • monte8monte8 Member Posts: 75
    I have a '08 HH and plan on installing a trailer hitch. I can purchase the wiring harness on line at a significant discount from the dealer price. I need to know how to install the wiring. I understand that the harness just plugs into the HH wiring, but where is the access and how difficult is this?

    I have viewed the hitch installation video on YouTube. This answered many questions on the exact steps for installation, including resolving some common problems.
  • simon17simon17 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 2007 HiHy and want to tow my boat with it. The total weight for boat/motor/trailer adds up to 3446 lbs, that's without gas or gear. Add a full tank of gas and it's another 300 lbs. I know the tow limit is 3500 lbs so I'm past the limit but if I'm only going a short distance (<10 miles) and it's flat, Florida terrain, can I do it?
    Also, at that weight, will the car be strong enough to get the thing up the ramp and out of the water?
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    Just towed a 3200 lb. travel trailer from Mi. to Ariz.and back.No problems.It is a 2006 hybrid.See my carspace page for a small picture.Took the grades easily.18 mpg avg.
  • montalvomontalvo Member Posts: 52
    I decided to buy a Toyota factory hitch from the dealer for my 2008 HL and, rather than pay the dealer $260 for installation, thought I'd take a crack at installing it myself. I watched the video on etrailer.com showing the installation of an aftermarket hitch and it seemed like a snap. But I'm assuming that the factory hitch installation might be a bit more involved. I'm not installing the electrical connection, since I'll just be using it for a bike rack.

    Can anyone give me some advice on what differences exist between installing the factory hitch and the aftermarket one? I'm fairly handy and have most tools I think I'll need but if you think I'd be foolish to attempt it myself, that advice would be welcomed, too.

    Thanks!

    Bob

    BTW, the hitch was $450 less 15% for my Costco Executive Member discount.
  • montalvomontalvo Member Posts: 52
    I found the info I needed...sorry, I should've done a more thorough Google search first. For anyone interested, check this forum thread:

    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-221818.html

    Bob
  • stevegoldstevegold Member Posts: 185
    I installed a 1/1/4" CoastalTech hitch on my 2004 Prius myself with no problems whatsoever.
    I ordered a 1 1/2" receiver hitch for my 2007 Highlander Hybrid (1/ 1/4" is not available) and found it much more difficult to install mainly because it weighs so much more.
    I ended up resting it on an increasing pile of bricks until it was close enough for me to get the bolts in. I didn't bother with an electrical harness since I only use it for a bike rack.
    Good luck.
  • montalvomontalvo Member Posts: 52
    Thanks for the info, Steve. I suspect that installing the hitch on my 2008 HL will be every bit as difficult as what you encountered on your 2007. I'm picking the hitch up next week so I'll start scouting around for some bricks! Like you, I'm not installing the electrical harness as I only carry my bike rack.

    Bob
  • stevegoldstevegold Member Posts: 185
    Hope you're in a warmer climate than Colorado. The hitch installation is a warm weather job. Let me know how it goes. Good luck.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    ... I have the factory installed hitch on my 09 HH and it looks great.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    The hitch installation is a warm weather job.

    But there's nothing like the smell of freshly busted knuckles in the morning :P
  • van4464van4464 Member Posts: 1
    i'm new here but was wondering if any one could possibly help me with a towing question-i have an 06 highlander hybrid & was wondering if anyone has any experience with towing a boat-actually-how does the hh do pulling the boat back out of the water at the launch ramp-my boat & trailer fully loaded weighs approx 810lbs-should i expect any difficulties? any advice would be greatly aprreciated!!cheers! :D
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    I towed my travel trailer 3200 lbs from Mi.to Ariz.Grade was really steep on the way back through Missouri.My 2006 hybrid hy had no trouble with power to pass other vehicles.Should not be any problem with your boat.
  • dzeddzed Member Posts: 1
    Gentle folk; My family has a 2007 Hylander hybrid and I need to install a trailer hitch to support a bike rack. I've seen between $400 and $140 hitches. Can anyone recommend a make, model number and source?

    Many thanks,
    David
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    Have the dealer install the one they have for the hylander.I think it was fairly inexpensive and you don't have to get your hands dirty.Call them for the make and model # of the hitch.
    Chuck
  • tada2tada2 Member Posts: 1
    I am curious. We have an 07 Hybrid Highlander and just installed hitch. Do you have a electric brake controller hooked up? When we did, we found that the ABS and Stability dash lights come on. The electric brake was working great but the hybrid braking system isn't working thus not recharging the battery (even when the RV isn't hooked up). Remedy? So this so that the hybrid braking system could continue to wor?. MN does not require e-brakes...and Toyota actually said it wasn't nec. when towing a 2000 pound T@DA RV. We are going to unhook the E-Brake until we find out for sure and hope that by doing it, we are able to restore the brake system.

    If anyone out there has suggestion/experience please pass it on!
    To use or not to use the electronic braking system.
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    Yes,I have a brake controller[electric] installed.When it was installed by the rv dealer the exact warning lights you describe came on.I took my hybrid to the toyota dealer and they told me that the brake wiring harness had been unplugged and then plugged back in.The rv installer had done this so he could hook up the controller to the brake wiring.A sensor had been tripped when this was done and needed to be reset by toyota.Once the reset was done everything worked fine.Also make sure there are 40 amp fuses installed in the power feed coming off the vehicle battery for protection.Have toyota check the wiring install for you.You should have the brake controller in case you leave MN.I almost got a TADA but the interior ht. was just to small.My trailer is 3200 lbs.Feel free to e mail me at pypking@hotmail.com.
    Chuck
  • toddwinestoddwines Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2010
    I would recommend having Toyota install a trailer hitch on your Highlander Highbred. I installed my hitch myself and have had no problems over the past year and a half. Well my car died and I had to have it towed to the dealer. They said I need a new power inverter....guess how much just this part costs? $9,000.00. I called and complained to Toyota after several calls they said I caused the problem because the Highlander is considered a Passenger Vehicle. Once I put the hitch on and hauled a trailer with it, it has become a service vehicle. They said I should have had the dealer put a hitch on and do an engine modification to allow me to haul. I have hauled less then 1,500 pounds (trailer and a small riding lawn mower). The manual states a hauling capability of 3,500 pounds and I called the dealer and talked to them before I did it. They opined there would be no problems as long as I did not exceed the weight listed in my owners manual. I had 144,000 miles on it which about 75 % were highway miles.
  • hogie13hogie13 Member Posts: 1
    I just had a RV dealer install the receiver, brake control and sway control on our 08 HH. I had the experience where the ABS was out of wack. The dealer in MI reset the computer and that part is working well....I think. I drove the 2900 lbs. trailer from MI to GA only getting 12-13 MPG. No burning or overheating. The greatest grade between MI and GA is 6%. I only tapped the brakes once the whole 5 mile trip down never exceeding 60 mph. I called my local dealer and they told me its the regen system compensating for the extra load. I would tend to agree, but after seeing this forum, I am re thinking this. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    I have towed 3200 lb travel trailer back and forth MI. to AZ. 3 times now. No problems whatsoever. Average 15mpg. I now have 62k on my 2006 HH. Everytime I take it in for service I ask if I need new brakes. The pads still have 2/3 of life left on them. I say how can this be? They said because of the regen system the pads can last over 100k on the HH.
  • rbowyerrbowyer Member Posts: 1
    I'm adding tow hitch to my 06 highlander hybrid and am trying to find plug in type wiring kit/harness with clear instructions and wiring digram. Where can I find this?
  • 89fj6289fj62 Member Posts: 20
    Wiring harness came with my 09 HH hitch. Call your local Toyota parts person and ask if you can buy the harness separate from them hitch. Toyota harnesses are fantastic but they may be hard to install by an in experienced person. Interior panels needed to be removed to install wiring harness which connects in the fuse panel and the rear bumper needed removed to install the hitch. With that all said the Toyota hitch and wiring harness is worth the money.
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    I had the R.V. dealer install it on my 06 HH and he had a lot of trouble. The toy dealer told me they would do it too. The toy dealer is probably the way to go as I do not think there is a plug in jack on the 06 HH.
  • casitacasita Member Posts: 2
    Hello,
    I'm about to buy a HH 06. I will want to tow my small camping trailer, about
    1500 lbs. 2000 lbs loaded. I'm really confused if this is a good idea or not.
    Some people seem to not have any problems and others have major problems.
    The car i am looking at doesn't have a per prep towing package. It it nessary?
    Can it be added?
    I would also like to add electric brakes at some point.

    Thank you for any comments or advice.
    Casita
  • roxxgangroxxgang Member Posts: 7
    The 06 can tow 3500 lbs with the prep package it comes off the lot with. Add a hitch and brakes and you will have no problems. pypking@hotmail.com............ if you have more questions.
  • stevegoldstevegold Member Posts: 185
    Don't buy a 2006 HH or any other year. There is no savings and some owners are having $6-8,000 repair problems. We have a Prius which is great and an HH which works but produces no real savings.
  • pesto1pesto1 Member Posts: 2
  • pesto1pesto1 Member Posts: 2
    Hello. I am about to buy a Highlander for the family. I have a medium sized camper that, honestly, has a fair amount of tongue weight since it has a storage compartment up front. I am interested in the hybrid, but am concerned about its capacity to tow and about reliability - I can't say I've knowingly ever seen one here in SW Michigan. I'd sure appreciate any advice. Thanks.

    Dave
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    FWD vehicles, or even F/awd vehicles, are quite bad enough insofar as driving dynamics, driveability, are concerned. But a "high" tow tongue weight might well make matters much worse.

    And remember that without self-braking of the tow during braking the torque "weight" will increase and lighten the front even moreso.
  • casitacasita Member Posts: 2
    what does "quite bad enough insorfar as driving dynamics" mean?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    edited April 2011
    With FWD you're relying on ONLY the traction of the front tires for both directional control, steering, and engine drive torque or compression braking. That's why when things get dicey, icy, a FWD has such a strong tendency to plow, understear.

    The only known correction for that situation is to quickly slow the vehicle and thereby reduce the momentum that wants to take the weight of the vehicle in the direction it was just previously traveling. In the olden days a light touch on the e-brake would help to do that. Nowadays VSC, if you have it, automatically takes over the task of braking both rear wheels or braking only the rear wheel that "swings" the pendulum in the direction you wish to go.

    Load up the rear of a FWD and you have effectively reduced front tire traction. That situation gets even worse during braking when the "weight" on the trailer hitch increases. That's why I would ALWAYS advise have some sort of braking on the vehicle/trailer you are towing, RWD or FWD.
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