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Last time I LOVED a vehicle after 2.5 years and had no thoughts of trading it for something else??? NEVER before!
I LOVE MY JEEP!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
You said it was a "handshake deal," but I didn't think a dealer would order a vehicle without your signature on some kind of paperwork (forget what you call it).
Were you possibly supposed to go back later and sign some papers, but didn't understand that you were required to do so? Even if that were the case, why in the world wouldn't they have contacted you to ask you why you had not come back???? And why would they have waited two weeks and then placed the order?
This makes no sense at all.
Bill, once again, I am so sorry that all this has happened, but don't give up! I am telling you, all this trouble will seem insignificant when you are driving that new Jeep. The thrill of that new Jeep will overshadow all of the current frustrations.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Stephen
Sorry about your luck
From my personal experience in ordering vehicles from the factory, I've always had to sign paperwork. The paperwork specified the options and color that I wanted on the vehicle. The vehicle was being made for me not the dealers' inventory.
Years ago, I also worked as a salesperson for a Lincoln/Mercury dealer. We would never order a vehicle w/o signed paperwork specifing the exact vehicle to be built and an accompaning deposit. I don't think the dealership was an exception to the norm.
Stephen
Surfer, don't keep us in suspense... what did ya learn today???
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Really sorry to hear about your situation surfer. Any chance of having a new dealer search regional inventory for you?
-twylie
I think it really depends on the dealer and what vehicle is being ordered.
Kevin
Mods I've done:
33x10.50 BFG MT KA
2" spring spacer lift
Bar pin eliminators (shocks)
Old Man Emu shocks
JKS quick disconnects
Wheel spacers
K&N Air filter
Hidden Hitch
This next year I hope to beef up my Dana 35 rear axle and also replace the 3.07 gears with 4.56. Maybe even get air lockers front and back. I guess I'll need to get skid plates for the oil pan and steering while I'm at it, but I'm not in too much of a hurry since I don't crawl to much rock (yet!).
Now that I've had it a year, you'd think I would have picked a name for it by now, but no. I don't even know it's a he or she?!
Have a great time out there with your Jeeps!!!
-Pete
Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday dear _____, Happy Birthday to you.
Come on, Pete, NAME that Jeep! Geez!
Hey, you da man I need to talk to. I have been wanting to go to 33 x 10.50 BFG Muds, but I know I would get a bad rub on my flares if I did that. I am already getting a light rub at full stuff on my 31 x 10.50's, so I know I would have to make some kind of compensation for 33 x 10.50's.
You apparently disconnect your front sway bar, since you mention quick disco's in you list of mods. So, how do you keep from rubbing your flares in extreme flex situations? You don't mention bump stop extensions. Did you install some?
We are both at 2" of lift, mine being Procomp springs, yours being spring spacers. We both disconnect the sway bar. Do you get some rub with those 33s???
I have AR767 wheels with 4" backspacing, and my tires DO stuff inside the flares when they are pointed straight ahead, but when I turn just a little bit when fully stuffed, I get some rub.
Maybe you do get some rub and just don't worry about it????
Fill me in, Pete.
Ain't these Jeeps the coolest things in the world? I sure wish I had the scenery you get to enjoy when you go off road!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The suspense is killing me!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The sales mgr claims that the factory is shut down for '03 orders and that is why my vehicle was cancelled.
More to come......
I don't get much rub from the 33's, but I haven't had full suspension travel until just now. I got a little rub from the rear tires at full stuff, very minimal, only on the inside wheel-well plastic liner - not the flares. I ran 1.25" wheel spacers at first in the rear and the tire would just start to hit the flares at full stuff. I took the rear wheel spacers out because I didn't want to add extra leveraged stress to my D35. The tires come close to hitting the rear spring perch, but don't, so I'm happy. I just added some rear bump stop spacers above the metal 'bell' bump stop holder, have yet to test if I still rub.
As for the front, the only rub I get has been at full turn, the compressed side will hit the sway bar. It was real noticeable at first, before I used the 1.25" aluminum wheel spacers, now it's a gentle rub only under max compression. Since it only happens at full crank under compression, it's no big deal and there's no signs of wear on the tires.
I just upped to the Old Man Emu shocks this week and haven't tested anything under full flex yet. This may yield different rub points. The stock shocks where a big limiting factor for how much droop the front suspension had and may have affected the other side's compression too. I was never able to flex the front like your pictures showed Thelma Jane doing, my shocks just weren't long enough.
Within the next week I should be able fully test this configuration and let you know. I will make a point of taking pictures to show the rub.
Other than that, I've enjoyed having 33x10.50's. The extra ground clearance has paid off time and time again.
I forgot to mention on my earlier post about another mod, Rock Bars/Side Step from Turbo City, these are some seriously heavy duty rails that you can lift the Jeep from.
I'll update later,
Pete
Oh well, it probably IS too late now to order an 03.
Keep us posted, Bill. Good luck.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I never had a problem with rubbing on the inside, since I have the 4" backspacing on the AR767s. My problem has been rubbing the flares.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Not under warranty. Cost $290. OUCH.
Here is the worst part. While at the dealer my Jeep (along with some others) was broken into. Stole my new Stereo including the Amplifier. Tore up the Dash. Broke out the Drivers side Glass (I have full doors). Why they did not just unzip the top I will never know. Also destroyed the latches on my golve compartment and center console.
Took a while for them to get all of the parts in to fix it back up.
Since most dealers have a waiver that they are not responsible for stolen items I was happy they replaced everything for free. One thing I will stop doing is storing my Alpine face plate in
the center console....
I will say that the engine has never been so smooth. I think I was having misfires and such from day one with the CPS going bad (it was bent or something). I must have just thought it was the way Jeeps were but now I realize I must have been having symptoms all along and not realizing it.
I can't imagine going two weeks without my Thelma Jane!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Stephen
I agree that there are good hidey holes in the wrangler if you just think about it...
This thread has his contact info:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3- 76644&highlight=seat+spacers
-twylie
A public auto auction just opened up about 6 miles away from me. They had several Jeeps out there... from CJs (I think) to YJs to TJs... maybe there is hope for my Jeep still!
Thanks, for the positive advice, everyone!
Hug your Jeeps for me! :-) (O|||||||O)
Marlon
How 'bout an update?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
At least you are smart enough at 15 years of age to know how cool Jeeps are. Shoot, I was 51 before getting my Jeep! So, you are WAY ahead of me just by wanting a Jeep at your age.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
4-5 other parked YJs and they all have the same wear patterns to one degree or another. Guess I oughtta just replace the brake line but I wonder if any other YJ owners could weigh in w/ opinions.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Still enjoying it like it was my 1st day.
No regrets at all. BEST vehicle anywhere!!
BAMA
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
So, now that Mr Pete has some killer flex, he also has some bad rub, huh? Thought that would be the case.
Yeppers, Pete, Thelma Jane will definitely need something in order for her to get some 33s. More lift, bump stop extensions, or both.
Thanks for the pics.
(oh, they are in the gallery here, for those that haven't seen Pete's latest pics)
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Since we both have 10.50s, although you have 33s and I have 31s, we ought to be facing a lot of the same issues. I don't understand how you are rubbing on the sway bar, since, as far as I know, I have never had that problem.
I don't have quick disco's, and I just run disconnected all the time, highway and all. I simply removed the bolts from each side and rotated the sway bar up, tying the ends up at the top of the spring perches with zip ties.
We need to keep comparing notes, so we can learn from each other's experience. Please let me know what you end up doing to eliminate the rubbing.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I have a 2000 Wrangler and there seems to be a leak on the front passenger side somewhere but I can't seem to find where the leak is coming from. With all the rain we've have the last few weeks, I've started to smell a stench in the car. The carpet was damp and I lifted the carpet and I saw that there was water underneath there.
Has anyone experienced the same problem? I read from a different post that someone had a similiar problem and it came from a heater that was not sealed properly. How would I know if I have the same problem? Is it something that I can fix myself? BTW, I'm out of warranty.
Thanks
Water will enter the cabin through this opening and run down the inside of the fire wall under the carpet. It collects in the lowest place, of course, which is in the foot well. The passenger side is where the heater box is located, so it sounds like this could be your problem.
I had this problem with Thelma Jane, and it was fixed under warranty in one visit to the dealership. They were familiar with the problem: it is a very common problem on the TJs.
So, this is where I would start, if I were you. I wasn't there to watch them do the job, but it can't be too tough. Just get some good silicone sealant and have at it.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
As far as rubbing on the sway bar, I don't think I'd have that problem if I had 31's. It's a very slight rub that wouldn't be there if the tires were just slightly shorter.
I'll update more once I tweak a few more things.
BTW, if you got quick disco's you'd be impressed with how well your Jeep handles in the corners after re-connecting. Once you get used to the handling characteristics of either driving connected, or disconnect, there is a big difference switching to the other. After only one day (~7 hrs driving) off road and gravel roads with the sway bar disconnected, I re-connected it for the pavement home, wow(!) it felt like a sports car.
Have Fun!
-Pete
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Working ok now... Keep fingers crossed
With that said, it should be getting prepped now and ready for pick up tomorrow.
My thanks to all of you for your support throughout this ordeal. The dealer gave me the video, so I'll watch tonight and figure out how to take off the hardtop!
Bill
If you are not getting a smooth shift from first to second, try a different shift point. Maybe if you wound out first gear a little further, it would make for a smoother shift. Guess there's nothing wrong with starting in second, though.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
CONGRATULATIONS, BILL!!!!
Black is a great color, if you are willing to spend the time keeping it washed.
Dana 44? Canyon wheels? Five speed?
Talk dirty to us! Give us the details.
MAN! I am so happy for ya, Bill!!!!
Get some pics posted ASAP, OK?
Yeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Good luck!!
(btw, I removed your discussion in Aftermarket & Accessories since you've posted about this in a couple of other places around Town Hall).
Steve, Host
As to replacing parts after the fact......no problem. It just requires the application of cash.
:-)
Check the VIN on your window sticker vs the VIN on the dash of the Jeep. If they match, then the Jeep should have what the window sticker says it has.
If the VIN doesn't match, I don't know what to tell you.
Either way, they should not be allowed to do that switch on you.
Don't know if it would be useful in this situation or not, but you can get the build sheet from DC by going to www.jeep.com and doing a search on "customer service." Then you go to "contact Jeep." You then click on the little envelope icon for "Customer Service, United States." Fill out the form (you'll need the VIN). They will very quickly email you the build sheet for that vehicle, and it will show everything that was on the Jeep from the factory. If you make your request during normal business hours, you coud have your build sheet within half an hour.
Good luck, keep us posted.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?