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This was the first American car I have ever owned and have to say I am extremely turned off. I have owned four Honda's (Civic-135K miles, Civic-75K miles, Accord-145K miles, Accord-75K miles) and one Toyota 4Runner (120K-miles) of which none had any problems. When I say they had no problems I mean exactly that. NO PROBLEMS! Come to think of it, I never took them in for 15K, 30K, 45K, 60K, etc. scheduled maintenances. Outside of replacing oil, oil filters, brakes and tires there was nothing else to it.
Was I just lucky with my Honda/Toyota ownerships or just unlucky with the Ford ownership? Who knows... All I know if that this latest experience with our Ford leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
We are now looking at the 2002 Toyota Sequoia for our next SUV. I think Ford may lost a customer for good...
When you turn the A/C off, the air inlet door changes position to block entry of outside air. When you turn it on, it moves to allow entry of outside air. The thunk is probably the door striking the sealing surface on each end of travel. It is normal.
My mileage is 16 city and 20fwy.
BTW did ford add another muffler or baffle to the exhaust just before the tip? I see it on 2000 and later.
1) When turning corners, there is a loud grinding sound like the 4WD is attempting to lock in. The truck is always set at AWD. This happens sporadically.
2) I hear a lot of wind noise coming from the passenger and driver side windows when going about 55-65.
Any thoughts on #1.
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Either way this is an incredible deal and would possibly swing me back into a new 2002 Ford Expedition (with extended warranty) over the Toyota Sequoia. Even with the extended warranty I am saving over $7,500 by going with a Ford Expedition over the Toyota Sequoia. Of course the residual of the Toyota at the end of our 6 years of ownership will be worth more than the Ford but doubt that it will make up all the $7,500 difference.
Decision, decisions, decisions...
I was wondering how the 2wd with limited slip will perform in the snow. I would rather not purchase the 4wd since this is the only time we will use it and weather in San Diego is hardly ever bad.
Questions:
1) Does anyone have first hand experience with a 2wd Expedition in the snow?
2) How did it handle?
3) Did you put tire chains on?
4) Do you need them for all four wheels?
5) How it they manage?
THANKS!!!
Had a little snow and ice this winter in Kansas. You can get around fine with the 2 wheel drive, but have to be careful of sliding and not accelerate to quickly or brake to hard.
I was never worried about getting stuck, but sliding through intersection, missing corners, etc. was a concern if I wasn't paying very close attention to speed and braking.
Hope this helps.
Where are you guys finding loaded EB's for so cheap?? Is is possible to fly there and drive one back??
Thanks!
will only be realistic based on their floor plan inventory.
VCR Entertainment Package
5.4L Engine
3.74 Limited Slip
Side Airbags
There are a few dealers in San Diego selling the Expeditions for this price. Makes you wonder what resale values will be for these...
My friend bought a 2001 XLT for $31,500 about 14 months ago. He wants one of the EB 4WD's selling at this low price and asked the dealer what he could get for a trade-in price on his 2001 XLT. The best the dealer could do was $18K. OUCH!!!!! That's $13,500 (43% depreciation) in one year!!!!! Think twice before jumping on these even at these low price deals...
Not sure where you are located, but Atlanta has a nice airport, and there are at least 10 dealers here who would love to sell you an expedition at $100 over invoice less any incentives. If your dealers are asking MSRP, they're not living in the real world. You shouldn't have to go far to find a dealer that understands the reality of the market.
Heatmeiser,
While I agree that the depreciation has been stiff because of the redesign and the current incentives, I think your friend was lowballed in a big way. The guys that provide values on the Smart Shopper forum, 'Real World Trade In Values' discussion have said that used expeditions are still easy to move and relatively strong. If he really wants to trade, or feel better about the value of his ride, post a note over there requesting a value. Bill or Terry will be glad to tell him what they're selling for at auction and/or what he could expect on a retail sale.
We bought our 2001 EB for about $7500 off MSRP in Jan of 2001. Deals are MUCH better now.
I recently bought a new 2002 Ranger XLT, loaded with everything but the CD changer for $19.4K, which is about $2000+ BELOW invoice ($21.xK). MSRP was $24.6K, which already included $1650 discounts from Ford.
Dealers here in the Denver area are really hurting. The economy here has not even begun to recover, and every dealer, irrespective of brand, has tons of new vehicles clogging their lots.
Go to your library, or find a news stand that sells the Denver Post. The Friday papers are full of dealer ads. Or, look up Courtesy or Phil Wood on the web (both have sites) and make some phone calls. These deals are NOT advertised on the web.
peachtree: Dealers here don't use ANY of the "guides" (KBB, NADA, etc.) to determine the value of a used vehicle. They call their counterparts at dealerships selling your trade-in and ask: "What is a 199x (insert make) wholesaling for?" The answer is ALWAYS way, way below any of the guides. This REALLY screws the public.
Another local Ford dealer (I won't mention their name) makes 40% of its corporate PROFIT by low-balling trade-ins and then selling those same vehicles at wholesale to other dealers. Again, that's 40% of their PROFIT. Truly amazing!!!
Its a jungle out there.
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My conclusion, though again based only on my speculation, is that Ford will not rush to put incentives on the 2003 model, and may be forced into either 1) raising dealer invoices prices without increasing MSRP's, thus effectively reducing the dealer's ability to discount, or
2) Having to have a mid-year price increase to boost margins or provide room for incentives.
Either way, it does look like there is reason to expect a 'real world' price difference between the 2002 and 2003.
i heard of a problem with internal leak in the motor
i also am having a problem with acceleration the truck shakes the check engine light blinks then goes off. the computer shows no codes for a problem. need some insight and if anybody else has had this problem cmitl138
does doing this make a difference in the truks performance
MSNBC had an interesting link to Ford recognizing a problem with the 5.4 (99 on). Worth a check.
I like the 03 3rd seat improvement, but REALLY like the new Lincoln "Aviator" about to come out. Center shift and a little smaller. 300HP.
I've had my fair share of woes with my 99EB (38K), rebuilt tranny, #4 coil pack, cd player, roof rack, and new seat covers (bottom front). Disappointed in fit and finish for $40K vehicle.