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We had the same problem, I took it to a windshield repair place and they said the leak was coming from the outside seal on the right side for the windshield. The water runs down the rubber roof seal to the front windshield and then under the seal. The windshield guy took some sealant inside and moved the inside overhead back and down a little and was able to fix the problem. Haven't had a leak in over 2 yrs. My advice, take it to a windshield repair place and tell them where the leak is and have them seal it from inside. That solved our problem (knock on my desk). I think the problem is if you have the windshield replaced the replacement seal that goes around the new windshield isn't correctly manufactured or something so it doesn't seal around the windshield correctly.
And I see no change coming for 2010. Why don't they offer the 4.0L engine accross the line? It's still not as smooth, quiet or refined as any other engine in its class; but at least it offers more power and better mileage than the aging 3.8L which is 60 horsepower less than competition!! Why don't they improve driving dynamics, handling, mute road impacts, interior controls, and more!??
When you say you crimped yours in a vise, Do you mean you bypassed the fuse altogether? I'm all for that, I doubt the door motor is going to be starting any fires.
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I'm guessing there's not an individual fuse for each door, so it's likely something else. Any suggestions of what to try before I take it in and have to pay to get it fixed?
This follows a few weeks ago when it was down for about $500 in air conditioner repair due to a "bad line" that apparently was a known issue. Service writer admitted he "sees a lot of them". Then why in the hell don't you allow it's a bad part and replace it free?
I have poured more money into this vehicle at 49,000 miles than I did with my 2003 Windstar in total. I put 249,000 miles on the Windstar, and only did 3 brake jobs, tires and fluid changes.
It's not like I off-road or abuse this vehicle. It's all highway. And of course, nothing is a recall or factory/dealer issue where anything is subsidized.
I can understand the brakes being gone and needing to be replaced as normal wear/tear. But the bearing/hub? I haven't had a wheel bearing or hub go bad on a car since the 70s. And a tie rod? An acknowledged faulty air conditioner line and I have to pay for it?
Rear hatch latch assy was also bad, causing the interior lights to stay on and door ajar warning to constantly be on, even when the hatch was closed and secured. This would have been another several hundred dollars for an entirely new latch, had I chosen to fix it instead of just cutting the offending wires to the sensor.
I am frustrated and disappointed. Never, never, never again will I have a Chrysler And I will make sure every friend, relative and internet car quality forum knows of the problems I've had, and cash I've had to lay out. Unfortunately, I'm sure there are more problems and expenses to come.
It's unfortunate but Chrysler and D3 products tend to have significant teething problems every time they revamp the line or even come out with a new model.
They say it is normal to do that.
Does each door have its own motor? I can't believe one door would stop working but the other still works absolutely fine.
I actually got the 4.0L on this 25th anniversary Touring edition, which apparently is kinda rare? I guess the 4.0L is mostly on the Limiteds. The 4.0L engine and 6-speed automatic are a great combination -- you can floor it from a stoplight and it acts like a wannabe racecar, zipping through the gears and accelerating to 60 in about 7.8 seconds.
Compare published 0-60 times for current model year vans, and you'll find that the Town & Country with the 4.0L can actually outrun Odyssey's & Siennas.
The 4.0L isn't the most powerful engine in its class, but it's very torquey. It has a long stroke for improved low rpm torque, which is exactly what's needed for a heavy VAN for engine response around town. The 4.0-liter V-6 engine improves the torque curve in the low- to mid-range for more pep during acceleration from idle. Focusing more on low- to mid-range means that maximum power of 251hp is not as high as you might expect from a 4.0L engine, but a few horsepower at the top end won't be missed in a VAN, while the broad torque curve throughout the rpm range is really appreciated.
But the 4.0L engine is just an enlargement of the 3.5L SOHC V6 and is just a stopgap measure until the new Pentastar engine line debuts shortly. Keep in mind that the 2.7L DOHC, the 3.3/3.8L pushrod engines, and the 3.5L/4.0L SOHC engines are basically all the same engine family. (Only the 3.7L V6 seen in Durango and Liberty is different, being based off of the 4.7L V8.)
So we'll have a whole new "Pentastar" V6 engine family to replace all these V6's very soon! Several sizes will be available including a 3.6L with 280hp and 260 lb-ft of torque. and possibly a future 4.0L.
Secondly, my airconditioner has been blowing cold then warm air. I understand the cycling part but not like this. When the van was brand new the air was coming out constantly cold. Now it cycles (badly) especially in hot weather. The dealer said he could find nothing wrong. BULLCRAP! The Van is going back in next week.
Finally, the doors creak (and don't close properly sometimes) the rear power seat does not work properly and the DVD Nav and Uconnect phone resets while driving. The supposedly flashed the computers so I'll see if those problems are fixed. In the meantime based on the complaints I see on this thread (I'm having most of these problems and expect to have others) I'm starting to look at lemon law possibilities. This Van costing $40,000 should not have these issues. As someone said earlier on this Thread: THE T&C IS A REAL PIECE OF SH*&^T!!!
I'm bringing my 08 back for service this week to fix air-conditioner (blows cold then warm air) and rear power seat still does not work right. Doors still creak (a little). NAV/Uconnect seems to work now (after they flashed the computers with updates) but we'll see in the longer term.
Good luck with your 09. I'll post once I get my vehicle back.
At 4,000 miles (and 2 months later) my brakes started makeing a "crunching" noise. Took it in and they say nothing wrong. Took it back a few more times and still nothing wrong. When I took for a routine oil change in April, guess what.... the brakes were at 15%!!!!!! They didn't get like that overnight and I had to wait a couple weeks as they were on backorder but the dealership ate that. I hate it but I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem. So the brakes were replaced Mid may 09 and have been making the "crunching" noise again for the past month. I drive "highway" miles so I don't do the stop and go very much to need 2 sets of brakes at 33,000 miles and a few months apart!
Other issues:
1. the 3rd row seat got stuck and would not go into "stow" position.. Had that fixed.
2. the sliding doors don't close all the way and reverse for an "obstacle" when there is no obstacle. I have taken it to the dealership several times but they can't find anything wrong.
3. the FM radio holds the presets but the Satellite radio loses the presets and has to be reentered every couple of months.
4. Gas mileage is horrible and like I said I drive highway miles to and from work.
5. it shows the smallest smudge! Not easy to clean either and all kinds of debris falls into the storage space where the stow n go table is. It's really hard to clean up!
6. When I turn to back up out of the carport, it makes a loud grinding noise... Does anyone else have this issue????
7. The other night I put the key in the ignition and it wouldn't start. So I took it out and tried it again and it started. Wouldn't have thought a whole lot about it but it happened again the VERY next day at walmart.... Any ideas on this one????
I'm sure there are plenty more problems. The only good thing about it is the backseat tv for the kids and the built in booster seats.
I'm sickened every day I have to get in and drive it when I think about all the money I am paying and it's a piece of crap!!!! If I didn't owe so much I would trade it in without a second thought. :lemon:
Sounds like you have my TWIN 2008 T&C. Almost every problem you are experiencing I've already had and attempting to get the dealer to fix (see my post Aug 14th).
I'm going back this week to get my air-cond fixed (cycles cool then warm). First time the dealer said there were no error codes so nothing was done. Thanks for sharing your situation about the air. Hopefully the dealer will get it fixed after I give them my 2 cents. My back power seat still "sticks". The first time I brought it in the dealer claimed it was a switch problem. Didn't fix it as it still sticks. Going back for repairs (second time). DOORS: I talked to a buddy of mine and he said that there are adjustment pins on the door assembly which need to be tightenend. Apparently the dealer "bozo's" don't know how to do the adjustment properly. There are Chrysler TSB's regarding this problem but the service tech idiots probably don't know how to read.
I had the same problem with my NAV/radio/Uconnect. Kept zeroing out my data. Dealer flashed the computer. Am still evaluating if this fixed the problem.
BRAKE problem is going to be a BIG issue with 2008 T&C. Everybody I've spoken with (including dealer service tech's) admit it's a problem (can only expect 15-20K miles between brake jobs). Apparently there was a design flaw in the rotors being too small for this van. Rumor has it they adjusted roter size for the 2009 T&C but that does not help me with my 2008. I have 10,000 miles (all highway miles) and my brakes are 60% gone. WHAT BULLCRAP!!!!!!!
The only good thing about my van is that I'm getting decent gas mileage. I typically get 24 MPG on the highway and about 19 around town. Not sure why your mileage is so poor.
Oh and BTW: bozo at dealer had no clue how to reset the oil change warning (have to turn key on pump pedal 3 times, turn key off). It's actually quite fun to call these service people [non-permissible content removed] and then show them how to do it (I read my manual and figured it out). NO WONDER IT TAKES 4 CHRYSLER SERVICE TECHS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO AN OIL CHANGE!
Finally, why would you leave out a dipstick to check transmission fluid?????? I'M DONE .....
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Let me know if you figure it out!
1) new brakes@ 17000 kms the old ones sounded like a diesel bus
2) new mygig
3)fabric on the back of 3rd bench seat replaced because it wouldn't stay attached
4) new starter old one wouldn't turn over and sounded like a 1970 car
5) new EGR valve
6) new battery
7) new engine
My van was also stalling while driving. It caused me to rear end someone and I have stalled in the middle of an intersection while turning and had traffic heading towards me. I was lucky that they were able to avoid me but that situaltion almost caused other people to have accidents. My van stalled about a dozen times until i heard a loud racket under the hood and stalled...this is when they realized they had to replace the engine. My Town and Country has been in the shop and I have been without it for a month. I have also had the problems with the doors not closing when there is nothing obstructing it. Before the engine died I had strange sound when turning the wheels all the way to the left or right. I suspect it is the power steering.
I am extremely dissappointed with this van, and more dissappointed with the customer service I have had from chrysler. I have been told from the dealers and Chrysler that 99.9% of these vans have had no problems and I am the unfourtunate one. Reading these forums I have discovered I am not alone. I am so angry that I have paid so much money for a Van and it has compromised the safety of my family and others. I do not want this van anymore it makes me sick !!!!!!!!
You are correct in stating that they will all eventually be replaced by the Pentastar, a DOHC engine with variable valve timing.
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After all the headache with my 2008 T&C I decided to drop it. I could not afford to pay a premium price on the Limited model and get nothing but problems and more problems every week, and on top of that paying for rentals while the work is getting done, plus the bad mileage.
I got a small Honda Civic (98% of the time I don't have my family onboard anyway) Not a single feature on it. Barely a keyless entry. What should I tell you? While I really miss all the nice features from the T&C (many of which did not work properly most of the time anyway), I enjoy the Civic like nothing before. It's the first time for me taking Forign car.
While the T&C and a Civic are not comparable at all, especially not with mileage, still I must say that the quality is light years ahead of any Chrysler/Dodge I have ever seen. Ride, & especially handling are so much superior to the T&C that I don't want to think back how I ever drove this piece of garbage. Every control, stalk & knob feels from a different planet, built tightly with much higher quality and precision, no squeaks & rattles even on the worst road bumps (my T&C squeaked & rattled even at the smallest), I can not express enough how much happier I am.
I am sure done with Chrysler. Good bye!
We finally got a replacement car, took 2 months and we had a loaner until we got the new car.
This is where the fun started. The dealer said the only car they could find had the DVD package and we would have to pay extra if we wanted it. After all the discounts it worked out to about $600.00 so i said lets do it so i didnt have to wait another month. I call the credit union, give them the new VIN for the note and title and get the ball rolling on all the paperwork again.
The car is ready to pickup, i call the dealer and ask for the exact amount for the check so we can pickup the car. He calls me back and tells me he made a mistake and that we cannot have any of the discounts, so if we want this car its an extra $2,200 for the DVD which we didnt want in the first place. I told him not acceptable and that he has a week to find a replacement or i want my money back.
Within 2 days they find a replacement, exact spec we initially ordered but in silver (which is fine). I have to call the credit union AGAIN with new VIN number and go through all the hassle of insurance and title changes and DMV changes......nightmare.
We show up to pickup the car, before we could take delivery we had to sign paperwork that we would not sue the dealer or Chrysler for these issues and that we were not entitled to any compensation etc.... I wanted to walk away but by this time my wife was in tears and wanted to take the car and leave. Lets just say she wont argue with me anymore when i tell her that the next car will be from Germany and I wont buy American cars again. I understand nothing is perfect but I expect better from a dealer and a manufacturer, I dont expect this sort of CYA from BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Toyota, Honda etc.... just the US companies where the customer is never right and will do what we tell them.
So getting back to the replacement car (number 3 if you count the one we rejected).
It makes a weird tick tick tick noise in the exhaust/catalytic converter area when you turn the engine off.
The doors would not close properly and kept opening for at least a year, this was fixed under a recall.
It rattles alot, especially the sliding doors and trim. We have not had the issues seen on the board with transmission or brake wear but I am sure that will show up at some point. If I have the option I will trade it once it reaches the end of the 36 month warranty, lets see what the wife says to that...she wants to drive it until its old and dies. The way these things are built that may be at the 36 month point...fingers crossed
Doug
From what I hear, you should expect it from at least Toyota and Nissan.