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Is it just a sensor problem? How much it costs to fix it?
He can't pursue Lemon Law. It is too late for that, 70 some thousand miles and almost 4 years of usage...
This is what happens when you rich the end of the Internet, your eyes start loosing focus....:-)
So why didn't you buy the Mazda Tribute? essentially the same vehicle but they come with a 4 year 50K warranty.
Longer warranties have become a big competitive weapon. Mitsu is counting a Hyundai style warranty to bail them out of the zero/zero/zero mess they got in:
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"sprayed" the air conditioning and it helped initially but then was back to foul air within a couple of weeks.
It may take more than one spraying to get the job done. Actually, you can do it yourself for practically no cost. There was a post by another user on these boards who spelled out in detail how he did it but our software upgrade seems to have our search feature paralyzed at the moment. I think the recommendation was to spray Pine Sol into the air conditioner intakes - somewhere beneath your windshield wipers.
I also recommend turning off your air conditioning shortly before you turn off your engine (a minute or more).
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This 100k warranty craze is pretty curious when you consider that mostly companies with spotty quality histories are pushing them. Honda and Toyota haven't yet felt the need to match it: most of their products across the board still approximate the base warranties of their domestic competitors. It's ASSUMED their products are fairly reliable to 100K, and most loyal Honda/Toyota people are willing to pay an extra 10-20% retail for their vehicles up front with the understanding that they'll recoup their investment with lower long-term repair costs.
Tripling these base warranties is expensive. I think it's actually another form of cynical short-term strategy: Lure buyers in with the feeling of security, create some cashflow, get your greasy mug on the cover of every business magazine as the next "Turnaround King," then high-tail it out of dodge (or Kia, whatever) with a sack of cash leaving your successor to deal with the millions of dollars of warranty repairs your company can't pay for. When those bills come due, it will be the buyer of the next-generation models expected to pay the extra cost of the company's new "upscale" models. Problem is that if the Kias, Suzukis, and Mitsus of the world haven't established quality reputations, customers will balk. "Why pay Honda prices for a Daewoo?" A lot of these borderliners will crash & burn. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but every market has a saturation point.
But to your point, their warranty costs have dropped 34% in three years, so they got the build quality under control at the same time they extended the factory warranty. (Forbes)
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But to your point, their warranty costs have dropped 34% in three years, so they got the build quality under control at the same time they extended the factory warranty."
Build quality and warranty costs are not the same thing. Warranty costs can be artificially reduced by refusing claims and cutting labor pay to dealer technicians, among other ways.
A lot of companies are showing incredible decreases, in the 20s and 30s% in warranty costs over the past few years, modeling their new math after Ford's "streamlined" claims system. But the same companies are showing far less gains in quality or problems per vehicle during the same period. Huh???
If, over the past three years warranty costs and build quality have been moving Chrysler's favor, why was their market share at its lowest point late last year? And in the middle of the aggressive financing period/price cuts? Because a quality reputation is established over a long period of time. That article goes on to mention the hot selling new models recently introduced, like the 300C, Magnum, and Durango, and the reduced scrap rates in their plants (which is a better indicator of quality), as major contributors to their (very) recent market share increase. Certainly, an extended warranty will lure more buyers, but if a customer's decision is made based on a warranty, then doesn't that show how little faith he had in the product's quality to begin with?
New model introductions always put a quick spike in manufacturer's earnings. But will Chrysler sustain quality improvements? Odds are they won't in the short term. New model intros are usually accompanied by teething problems that temporarily retard quality reports. My contention is that simply tripling base warranties will be a long-term disaster for companies that can't *greatly* improve and sustain their quality.
If they are making the most dependable cars in the world right now, it still will take a few years for the word of mouth and long-term reliability ratings to generate sales.
The highest warranty claims among auto makers right now is Ford (trying to stay a little topical!) with 2.5% of sales, according to that Warranty Week link. So if Mitsu can get sales going again with the Hyundai style warranty, and keep their claims rate down (the norm is 1.9% for US manufacturers), then maybe they'll be in a lot better shape in three years than they were after three years of zero-zero-zero.
I really think that a 5/60 powertrain warranty should be norm these days whether it's an Escape or a CR-V.
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If they are making the most dependable cars in the world right now, it still will take a few years for the word of mouth and long-term reliability ratings to generate sales."
Im not saying they shouldnt try every angle to get people in, but if they cant fix their quality problems, the extended base warranties will indeed cost them more in the long run than a 3/36 warranty. Desperate times call for desperate measures, but Im sure thats what they thought at the start of the 0-0-0 campaign.
"I really think that a 5/60 powertrain warranty should be norm these days whether its an Escape or a CR-V."
If you're saying "should be" like "I sure would like for this to be so" then yeah I agree. Shoot, manufacturers "should" give us 10/100 warranties. But if Honda can sell a certain amount of cars and make a hefty profit, increasing their market share slightly each year, offering base warranties, why would they spend more on 5/60 warranties? Loyal Honda and Toyota buyers will return to replace their Camrys and Accords based on brand loyalty built on years of positive experience. That's where the money is in any business-repeat customers. When you have to spend all your profit on advertising and incentives trying to replace dissatisfied lost customers, you're right where Mitsu is now.
Started getting light and dealer said it was the overflow tank. Had to order part, which they sent to me for self install. Two nuts, two hoses and one electrical connector. Done in 30 minutes, most of which was straining the coolant from the tank through a filter which caught alot of crud. Had coolant flushed at 40K. Thought the tank would be flushed too.
And why is there no CRV problem room again??
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This discussion happens to be listed in SUVs and cross-listed in the Owner's Club, so it shows up in both lists. Any board related to the twins should turn up in any search of the Escape or Tribute. There are several ways to navigate around Town Hall, so you'll have to narrow it down if you have a specific problem.
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This has been happening all week and after several tries of turning the car on and off, the signal arrow lights will turn off and all is normal.
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