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Which are which??
Is Minnesota a "CARB state"??
CA (naturally)
NY NJ CT RI MA ME VT
Sorry, not Minnesota.
> Honda Hybrid Battery pack with one from a car that had been totalled. It was easy
> and I now have the old 2003 honda hybrid civic battery. What should I do with it? Do
> you want it to rebuild? Free to a good home.
Yes, I'd like it. I'm trying to find out how to contact you. Apparently the "Make my email address visible" option does not work and I'm not allowed to post a phone number, much less an email address here.
You can probably find me on Google by putting in my id "ogregev" (leave out the underscore) and skip over the wargame related entries. I'm on the first page.
> my Honda Hybrid Battery pack with one from a car that had been totalled. It was
> easy and I now have the old 2003 honda hybrid civic battery. What should I do
> with it? Do you want it to rebuild? Free to a good home.
Hurray! I got it working! Click on my ID to get my email address. Please contact me. I'd like the battery. I'll send you a shipping crate and pay the shipping charges.
If it happens again, you should unplug the front battery for a minute or so when the battery indicator first lights up (or pull the 4th fuse from the left on the bottom row of the fuseblock by your left shin). This will reset the system and allow you to proceed again. Then you should go about getting your battery repaired. Your warranty is just about up if it isn't already.
Contact me privately if you want more information.
>system, everything is going to go squirrelly?
No. The IMA system charges the front battery and if the 12V goes bad, it will run the car until you turn the car off. My Insight came to me with a pair of 6V motorcycle batteries that were being used to start it. The 12V battery really only has to turn on the HV relays and allow the hybrid battery to take over. That's why so many Insight owners have bad 12V batteries - they are 8 or even 10 years old. Since they don't get called upon to do much, you don't know they're shot until you suddenly need the starter (and lots of Insight and Civic owners have bad starters and don't know it because they've never used them).
Most errors that light the IMA allow you to drive the car for a while without a problem.
If your battery "idiot light" is on, then you must repair it ASAP. There is a way to bypass the battery and use the car indefinitely, but it will not pass inspection.
Contact me privately for more information.
At this time, your only options are a new battery from a dealer, a reconditioned battery or repair your old battery. A fourth option is a junkyard pack, but you must recondition it prior to use, or it WILL die in 7-11 months.
The 120 cells in the battery self-discharge normally. When the pack is new, they discharge at the same rate. Once the battery has been used for any length of time, the discharge rates change (as it wears). When you leave the battery to sit, the faster discharging ones will deplete completely, and the less fast ones will not. Once you put it in your car, you charge it up to 80% (average over the pack). This means that some cells are full and some are at 60% or so. When you start to discharge the pack (assist), the lower charge cells take the brunt of the load and they wear faster.
I have seen more than 20 cases of people putting junkyard packs in or parking their car for an extended period (for example when a crashed car is rebuilt). In EVERY case, the battery has failed 9 months later plus or minus 2 months.
The solution is to recondition the pack before putting it in. This resets the charge levels on all the cells and the damage never happens.
where can I get a rebalance in Tx. and how much$?
what repair manuals will I need? ect. ect.
I have read you can reset the ima if you disconnect the 12v battery then reconnect.
Did that, ima and battery started working normal. for now? driven about 50 mi. so far so good.
Wondering how far it will go and will it continue to run if the ima shuts down again?
The minimum is not known. I can only speak for 90-180 day periods. The batteries become more sensitive as they age, so an older battery will be less tolerant. For example, a brand new battery could sit forever, where a two year old could not handle 90 days. An 6 year old battery might not tolerate 30 days, but it really depends on the condition of the battery - there is no "typical" at those ages. The only thing I can say for sure is that more than 20 people that I have polled had a failure close to 9 months after a 90 day period of non-use.
> where can I get a rebalance in Tx. and how much$?
You can do it yourself. Otherwise, I think I'm the only one in the US doing them. Contact me privately for details on how to do yourself it or for my pricing. Reconditioning requires dismantling of the battery and you have to be comfortable dealing with high voltage, but if you are careful, it is relatively safe. There is a pictorial of the disassembly of a battery on my website on the DIY page.
> what repair manuals will I need? ect. ect.
Contact me for a link with instructions on how to remove your battery. No manuals needed.
> advised I needed new battery pack and 2 controllers. Was told warranty is 8/80K
> but after researching on this forum and Insight forum questioned dealer and now
> they say there was a 2008 extension bulletin extension on manual xmissions to
> 10/150K. I'm told that the bulletin is "monitor and motor control module" Honda
> Service Bulletin 06-057 dated Feb 5, 2008 that explains all this. Haven't verified all
> this yet.
Yes this is true, but it covers ALL Insights, both MT and CVT in ALL states. You have 10 years/ 150,000 miles from the in-service date. 2002-2006 Insights are covered to 157,500 miles.
The battery and the BCM/MCM are covered. You don't NEED a new BCM/MCM, but Honda is requiring it.
Can you tell us what part of the country you are in? The prices vary. Also, please let us know if you actually get it for this price because I suspect you will be hit with the following additional charges:
BCM and MCM $1700
Shipping: $600
> I have read you can reset the ima if you disconnect the 12v battery then
> reconnect. Did that, ima and battery started working normal. for now? driven
> about 50 mi. so far so good. Wondering how far it will go and will it continue to
> run if the ima shuts down again?
You caused the car to forget that the battery had overheated. You have until it overheats again. If you can't afford to fix the battery right now, you should be aware that you can bypass it for free and drive the car on gas only. This does not cause any problems with the car other than failing state inspections, so it is temporary solution.
1895 for the Bat only
There were some more charges to follow?
Still looking for alternatives.
> 1895 for the Bat only
> There were some more charges to follow?
> Still looking for alternatives.
That's a pretty good price for a new battery. If you can get it for that price, do it. You won't do better.
If by some miracle they let you keep the old battery, I'll buy it from you.
IMA came on a few days ago. Called Honda ( I wanted a mechanic in Pahrump to do the job but I was advised that (due to the need for verification of the codes) that I should take it to Las Vegas.When contacting the first dealer in Vegas i was told that I would have to lease a car at my expense. The second dealer advised that the would give me a car to drive while they performed necessary repairs.
I guess that reading the various items on the message board added to my knowledge and assisted me in getting the proper information.
How do you recondition or rebalance the 144 volt batteries?
So does this mean everything is actually o.k.? Was the test wrong, or is my battery starting to deteriorate but not enough to effect performance?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Your concerns are:
1. you cannot pass emtissons in most states. If you are in a state that does not require emissions, you can put the IMA system into limp-in mode and drive it as a non-hybrid.
2. The P1447 indicates that the battery is wildly out of balance and some cells are extremely weak. Over time, these cells will bear the brunt of the assist work and will be made weaker. Eventually they will start to fail and will cause the car to shut down the IMA system to prevent overheating (read:fire) and will shut down the DC-DC converter (aka the alternator). Then you will be stranded.
If you purchase a pack from the dealer, they can no longer require you to replace the BCM and MCM (at a price of $1800) which should limit the cost to about $3000.
Of course, you could have it repaired instead. You should look on Insightcentral for information about this error and what you should expect.
If you PURCHASE a replacement battery, it comes with it's own 3/36,000 warranty that is independent of the age or mileage of the car.
Honda replaced the battery assembly and control unit at no cost to me. I believe the bill was in excess of $8,000.00 (paid by Honda)
With the new battery assembly in my initial mileage was 37 MPG, scary, that is the same mileage I obtained when using only gas, Then, for some reason, the mileage started to increase, now I'm up to 48.8 and feeling better.
When this situation came about I called Honda regarding the codes, the warranty and replacement. They responded that I should find a dealer of my choice. When doing this I looked for a dealer that would offer a free rental. That ended up being Honda West.
This experience has resulted in the best treatment I've had with a dealer and Company (Honda).
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That's normal. The IMA system doesn't increase gas mileage, it make the efficient but anemic engine feel like a normal engine while still retaining it's gas sipping qualities.
This will only work once or twice so don't think you can continue to drive the car.
Once the car is out of warranty, you can simply replace the BCM and MCM with an older set and restore the original behavior.
If you had purchased the battery, it would come with it's own 3 year 36,000 mile warranty.