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2007 Toyota Camry Transmission Questions

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  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Well my feedback is after 22K-ish miles and a year and a half....the 4 cylinder is a great car. I would recommend it, and I would buy another. (I'm not related in any way, to any car business).

    I did have the cruise control downshifting issue big time, as well as hesitation. The first TSB a year ago fixed both to my satisfaction, and the car is running fabulous.

    I do recognize that there are still a couple of folks who are still having a cruise control problem, and to those my heart goes out to them because I know how frustrating having one of these problems can be.

    I cannot offer first hand feedback on the V6 flare issue. When cars are being bought back via lemon law, and others are toughing it out with transmission replacement after replacement with no resolution to the problem......that leads me to believe that Toyota STILL doesn't have this fixed yet. We can debate 16 ways till Sunday as to how widespread the problem is, but I don't think anyone but Toyota would really know that number, and no way they would share that.

    So it doesn't surprise me that Mack had a great ride last week, I suspect the odds were in his favor.
  • gogo_vsgogo_vs Member Posts: 1
    Hi guys,
    I bought my 2007 Toyota Camry SE 2.4/5sp.-auto in July 2007. It was built in July 2007. Looks like I don't have the hesitation problem and I can't tell about cruise control, because I am not using it. The car seems to be operating good, except the gas mileage. In the city I have 18.5 MPG. So far I have 1700 miles on it and did first oil change with Pennzoil 5w20 full synthetic. I heard few guys on this board, their gas mileage and performance was improved after TSB was installed. Do you guys think I have to do it, since I have no other problems except the gas mileage ? Thanks.
  • chuck28chuck28 Member Posts: 259
    I've been in quite a few dealerships and the salemen always say they have not heard about this trans problem. I have also been told by a Toyota Rep while in arbritration that they have meaning Toyota corp been training the dealerships how to speak to the Camry owners with the trans problem.
    Trust me. The Trans problem is real and if you have worked for Toyota for more thatn 3 years you know about this problem. Who are we fooling?
  • motownusamotownusa Member Posts: 836
    If it was built in July 07, then most likely it already has the TSB done on it prior to it being shipped to the dealer.
    As far as the gas mileage goes, remember it is still a relatively new car with only 1700 miles on it. Give it another 3 to 4k miles, and you should see your MPG improve.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    The date of the TSB is Aug 2007, so you may or may not (I'd guess probably not) have the TSB on your vehicle. Take your car to the dealership (or call), and they'll put your VIN number in the system and tell you whether you are eligible.
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    Mackabee----I wish that you were correct, but YOU ARE WRONG!!!! I also own other Camrys (1992,2000,2003). I came to this forum to see if other people were experiencing the problems that I was having with my 07 Camry LE 4cy/5spd automatic. Since Toyota has issued several TSB's to address "HESITATION,AND SHIFTING PROBLEMS WITH THE 2007 CAMRY", Toyota was, and is, aware of these problems. I do not think that they would take the time and effort to issue TSB's if a problem did not exist.
    By the way, driving a car for only 600 miles does not make you any kind of an expert on that model of car. Do you have any other credentials to present that would help us to seriously consider your posted opinions?
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Actually I've been selling Toyota Camry sedans since model year 1997. And I've been driving Toyota products since 1981. First was an 81 Celica, then came an 85 Toyota VAN LE, then the first Camry; a 1992, then a pre-owned 93 which I drive daily. Then a 1997 which my wife drives daily since the 92 was totaled and she walked away with airbag burns to her face and a very sore shoulder from the cinch of the belt. I also owned a 1988 MR2, my youngest son is going on his second Corolla (first saved his life), my oldest drives a Scion tC (Toyota Product) his wife drives a 2003 Corolla S 5spd, and the odd one of the family my middle one drives a Honda Prelude, and two Acura Integras before that. I believe I explained in one of my earlier posts how cruise control works on Camry so I won't go through it again here. Another poster with more mechanical saavy than me agreed with my assessment. Now if the up shifting and down shifting of the transmission to maintain a pre-set speed is annoying to some then that's another issue and not a defect of the vehicle which is doing what it was told to do. When I go on test drives with customers we are looking for power, smoothness, quietness, how does the car ride, does it meet the customers needs, etc,. I'm not a mechanic and it's not my job to go look for "problems" on new cars. If these problems arise there is a factory warranty that will get them fixed. Group hug!image

    Mackabee
    :shades:
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    See the above message. If that doesn't convince you then I will tell you that I was an electro-mechanical technician in the USN for 20 years so I know my share of electronics and mechanics, servo motors, transmissions, etc, I also taught several courses on several guided missile weapon systems that utilize these elctro-mechanical devices, motors, servos, circuit cards, and micro-chips. lots of 1's and 0's So I know how things work. But to scream at me that I am wrong is wrong. I posted my experience with this particular vehicle this past weekend. I have driven others since I have access to any car on the lot and at times will drive to Richmond VA, or Baltimore Md, or Atlantic city, for Toyota functions so I take a company car and I have not encoountered these problems. Now if you still don't care to believe me so be it. But I will give you one more chance to take those word back. Starting tomorrow, I will park my little butt at the service lane and every customer that comes in for service on a Toyota Camry 2007 will be canvassed by me to see what problems they are experiencing with hesitation and flare up. Then I will go to the Master mechanics which we have a couple and ask them how many of these problems they have encountered. I can guarantee you they will be minimal. Have a good evening.
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  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    Great! It will be good to know from the "inside" how many Camrys actually have problems. I agree with you Mack, they probably will be minimal. If they do have problems, several people have said the new TSB has corrected the hesitation issue, and the TSB only takes an hour.
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    mackabee--- I said you were WRONG when you stated that I only had the cruise control downshifting problems after reading about them in this forum. If you review your previous post you will see what I mean. I came here looking for help with what I consider a very annoying problem, and one which Toyota has issued several TSBs to correct. Unfortunately for me, the Aug 2, 2007 TSB(EG036-07) did not fix the problem on my car. As I understand from posts, herein, this TSB did fix some of the O7 Camrys.
    By the way, I also am a 20 year Navy Electronics Technican who knows a little about servo motors, electronics, mechanics, etc.. So if you really want to help, my VIN: 4T1BE46K07U102536. According to some posts in this forum, TSB TC010-06(Aug06) which involved replacing a solenoid fixes the downshifting problem. But since my car was assembled in 12/06, my car supposedly had this solenoid already replaced when it was assembled. The latest TSB EG036-07(ECM calibration) recalibrates ECM(PCM) engine and transmission, and fixed the hesitation problem, but not the cruise control downshifting problem. Could you check with your Master Mechanics to see if replacing the solenoid per TSB TC010-06 could be implemented on my car? I would appreciate any and all help you might render. My local dealer has not been much help.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Here's the TSB, if anyone needs it:

    TC010-06
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    There must be more than one Toyota dealer in your area. Looks like your car falls in the TSB range. I did my "canvassing" today in between making a living by selling cars ;) There weren't many Camry 07's in for service that I saw with the exception of an Le that I sold last summer. I spoke with the owner and he has no problems with it. Was getting an oil change and tire rotation. I spoke with a couple of our Master techs and the main man told me he personally had worked on two yes 2 V6 Camrys with the six speed transmission and another two 4 cylinder with the "hesitation problem". He explained to me the DBW or drive by wire system now in the new gen Camry and I understand the hesitation people are referring to. The car is actually delaying the upshift by less than a second and then kicks in so a surge of power is felt by the driver. This is not necessarily a problem per se but the way DBW is integrated with the drive train. The "hard shift" that the TSB speaks of is a downshift from 5th to 4th gear and it's known as "shift shock" which in previous gen Camrys was controlled by a slight retardation of the engine timing.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • rstine61rstine61 Member Posts: 2
    We have a 2007 Camry 4 cyl that is have the usual hesitation, jerkiness, etc., shifting problems. Same as has been mention several times before on this forum. We also own a 2006 4cyl Camry that runs great so we have a comparison. Toyota has said there is nothing else they can do so we are scheduled for an arbitration hearing on 29/Oct. Does anyone have any advice?
  • teamtboteamtbo Member Posts: 78
    rstine61, How many times has Toyota tried to fix your hesitation issue? How long has it been out of commission? If you don't have several attempts (at least 3) then I don't think you will win at arbitration. Unfortunately, if Toyota is denying the problem, it really puts you at a huge disadvantage.

    The arbitrator's usually use your states lemon law as a guide as to if they will buy back your car or not.

    I have read several places that arbitration is a waste of time. The arbitrators are paid by Toyota. Toyota tells you that you need to go to arbitration before you can file a Lemon Law suit but, at least in California, I have heard that isn't true.

    As far as advice, you may want to try and video the hesitation on your 2007 and also video the same driving conditions in the 2006 so the arbitrators can see the difference.

    I wish you all the best!
  • teamtboteamtbo Member Posts: 78
    Brought my car back to the dealer again yesterday for the noise I was telling you about and the shift flare. Sure enough, the noise was TSB EG039-06 - took the tech about 1 minute to re-adjust the steering column hold shield.

    I dropped off the car so I could repro the shift flare for them this morning. I was able to reproduce it and got it documented. Whatever they do will be attempt #4. They said they want me to bring the car back in on Tuesday when the Field Technical Specialist will be there to go for a test drive. I am not sure how going on another test drive with the FTS will help them considering Toyota has been trying to fix this problem for 1 to 1.5 years now. :confuse:
  • rstine61rstine61 Member Posts: 2
    We have had the car in three times and they (the dealer as well as the Toyota customer center) have told us there is nothing else they can do. In fact they are the ones that suggested to go to arbitration.
  • teamtboteamtbo Member Posts: 78
    So, how many times has the dealership attempted to fix your issue? Have you ever been able to reproduce the issue for them and have them document it on the work order?

    This is very important because it proves that there is indeed a problem with your car. I think the arbitrator will be looking for some proof that 1) your car has a problem 2) it was verified by Toyota (dealership) and 3) Toyota made a 'reasonable' number of attempts to fix it and weren't able to.

    Any idea what your state's lemon law says?
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    mackabee--- Thank you for your time and effort. I no longer have the hesitation problem after TSB EG037-07(Aug 2,07) was installed. The hard shift, however, was not corrected. Since my car exhibits precisely the same performance as those who have described it in posts within this forum, and who report that the problem was corrected by TSB TC010-06, I have suspected that my VIN must be eligible for installation of TSB TC-010. Back in June of this year, I was told by my local Toyota dealer that my VIN was NOT eligible for installation of any TSBs. However, I agree with you that my VIN does fall in the range of elibility for this TSB (TC010-06). Will check with other Toyota dealers in nearby towns. Thanks, again.
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    Kiawah---Thanks for posting TC010-06. After reviewing the VINs eligible for installation of this TSB, listed therein, I am going to take my car to a Toyota dealer in another town, as apparently my local dealer does not want to be bothered (or is too incompetent). I did not buy my 07 Camry from him, so he does not offer any help. I always thought that no matter where you buy your car, the local dealer would offer professional services. Obviously, I have been mistaken. Thanks, again!!
  • djm2djm2 Member Posts: 712
    Hi camryowner1:
    Important fact to remember; ----- If you want service from you local dealer, purchase your vehicle from that dealer, and have all of your preventive maintenance done by that dealer! This is just the way the "real world" operates! If you want to become his customer, give him some service work. Get to know the service advisor. Get to know the service manager.
    Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades: ;):)
  • chuck28chuck28 Member Posts: 259
    I too have noticed that dealers are hesitant to work on my car. It's funny that Toyota corp. will tell you that you can take your car to any dealer but you can't get any dealer to perform the work. The bottom line is Toyota and the dealers don't treat all their customers the same! It's to bad.
    Why should we have to be the one's to work so hard to try to get our cars fixed?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Member Posts: 1,722
    Never had this problem - had two warranty issues with an '01 Rav. A cowl rattle and a TSB for squeaky brakes, just annoying, not safety issues or not affecting ability to get to somewhere. They were VERY happy to do the work, even though I bought from another dealer on the other side of town.
  • bmarkbmark Member Posts: 52
    I couldn't agree more. BEst thing to do is really get to know the service advisor, they will hook you up in many ways. I don't have a Camry, but I have bought 3 cars from the same dealership, and now the service advisor is my buddy. He gives me free advice on everything, and a couple of time when I did stupid things with my car, like knock out a parking light while braking he put it under mfg warranty saying it fell out while driving. Haha, so get to know them they will hook you up and hopefully fix your trans.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Unfortunately for the customer some dealerships service depts still don't get it. :( You can take your Toyota to any Toyota dealer in the US and have warranty work or any type of work performed on it. The reason some are hesitant or refuse to do it is that warranty work pays less than customer pay work. Some dealers that have foresight do the work in hopes of retaining a customer for life and others just don't see the light. It should not matter where you bought your vehicle they are required to work on it. If you encounter this situation call Toyota at 1-800-331-4331 and file a complaint ask them to open a case number and see how fast your uncooperative dealer is on the phone begging you to bring the car in.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • 2007camry12007camry1 Member Posts: 1
    I am afraid to say, you are wasting your time going through Arbitration. You will not win. I did not and neither did 100's before me.
    I am going to try again though in 30 days since they have now applied the latest TSB which fixes the 'hesitation' (supposedly) but does not address the cruise control problem.
    We are driving down to Mobile, Ala. on 85-south then 65-south. I will once again record everytime it jumps from Cruise to 4th to 3rd gear. I did it for a 1 hour time frame and recorded 43 times it dropped from 'over drive' to 4th then to 3rd gear taching at 5,400.
  • joel16joel16 Member Posts: 64
    I have been playing with the cruise control on my 2007 XLE 4cyl for the last two weeks, and have observed the following:
    1. tested on a long stretch of local road that had some mild hills and twists and turns with a speed limit of 45mph. I set the cruise at 45, and was pleased with the way the car handled the hills; there was no rapid acceleration, and engine braking (downshift) worked nicely; speed hovered right around 45
    2. tested on a long stretch of highway where the speed limit was 55, some upgrade and downgrade. Again, the Camry did very well when set at 55, only kicking down once, and not unexpected (I could see it coming).
    3. tested on a long stretch of highway where the speed limit was 70, some steep upgrades and downgrades. My Camry did not perform very well in this test. It kept doing the rapid downshift+upshift dance so many times I discontinued use.

    I have to conclude that this engine is just plain underpowered for the weight of the car under high speed conditions where the roadway isn't flat, or with mild up/down grades. I will be heading for the mountains in the next few weeks, and will see how the engine does on steep upgrades at lower speeds. I am betting it will be up/down shifting quite a bit unless I disallow overdrive.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    2007camry1---- I agree that arbitration is a waste of time. The decision in my case was that the cruise control problem as you described (which I presented along with copies of service orders and a copy of latest Aug07 TSB) was not a safety issue and did not decrease the value of my 07 Camry LE 4cyl/5spd automatic. Good luck!!!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    No, your I4 is NOT underpowered, the two new '07 rental vehicles I drove early this year both had V6's and both exhibited the tendency to continuously switch gears for relatively simple undulations in the roadbed.

    The manufacturers have figured out how to program the engine/transaxle ECU such that it will keep the engine operating with the BEST FE, right on the cusp of having just enough power for the task of the moment.

    Also, six speed transmissions now often operate as 9 speed gear boxes via the use of the lockup clutch in gear ratios other than actual OD. More "finely" "cogged" gearboxes, more shiftiness.
  • joel16joel16 Member Posts: 64
    wwest, I have read your very well written previous notes, and understand the concept. I hadn't understood that no matter what the horsepower, the ECU would cause the up/downshift dance in the name of FE. Any idea how much mileage I'd have to sacrifice to eliminate the shifts? Or, maybe a program that is somewhere down the middle of performance versus fuel economy?
  • palpakpalpak Member Posts: 21
    What rpm did your engine reach when the CC down shifting occurred? Mine would reach 4500++, at that RPM I don't think its for FE.

    The 2005 Camry with 2.4L engine has 163 ft-lbs and weighs 3164 lbs.
    The 2007 Camry with 2.4L engine has 161 ft-lbs and weighs 3307 lbs.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The fact that the transaxle "held" the previous higher gear ratio (too long??) was/is for FE purposes. The 4500 RPM "surge" is an undesireable result, no question.

    Here in the NW mountainous regions I find that it helps to slip the transaxle out of OD manually when I see a fairly serious incline upcoming. Unlike you, the CC has no forward "vision" so it MUST wait for the speed to decline before reacting.
  • crookiecrookie Member Posts: 5
    I have LE L4. I had same problem also. I dont have any trust in anything anymore. First of im a former mechanic. first i tryed chip on ebay the care drove perfect except on cold starts it would surge ind turn check engine on. so i removed mod. next i install cold air intake from fujita. the car runs almost perfect no shifting problems or cruise control problems, the only thing is noise. Im in the process of trying to minimise noise. I used some sound deadning material around wheel arch where the filters mounts. sound much better its only a littleloud under hard acceleration if cruising cant tell you have a cold air intake at all, untill you need the speed. the car moves effortless I recent touched 120 MPH with it since intake never went past 105 without so i cant say. all i know is my car runs alot better.
  • crookiecrookie Member Posts: 5
    I think your right i tryed two different mods on my car the ebay chip 10 40 hp supposely and cold air 8-10 hp increse both made the car run perfect. chipped caused check engine light they telling me i hooked it up towrong wire im tell them i did no i have wireing diagram. intake works great. for younger folks because noise.
  • djm2djm2 Member Posts: 712
    Hi mackabee:
    That "action" might look good on "paper," but it will not "fly" in the real world! ----- It is far better to work with the selling dealer in a professional manner! --- I never have a problem with a new car dealer in terms of service. ---- 1st, I make it a point to purchase my vehicle from a local dealer. 2nd, the sales person knows up front that I will give the dealer all of the service work, both paid and warranty, for the life of the vehicle. (This includes brakes, tires ---etc). 3rd, I make it a point to get to know the "Service Advisor" and the "Service Manager" on a personal basis. When I present my vehicle for sevice, I always leave "something" for the Service Technician with the repair order, and when the service has been completed, I make it a point to say "thank you" in the form of a hand written note the next day! I get excellent service from my Toyota Dealer, because I respect the staff at the dealership, and they respect me as the customer. Our lines of communication are open. I can call them at any time and get a question answered. We have a positive professional relationship. I would NEVER report a problem with the dealer to the parent corporation. I would rather work things out in a "fact to face meeting" with dealership management.
    Best regards. ---- Dwayne :shades: ;):)
  • joel16joel16 Member Posts: 64
    The relationship that Dwayne describes here is exactly the same relationship I have with my Toyota dealership. I know everyone there from service to sales, and they know me. I have all services, minor and major, including inspections, oil changes, etc. done at the dealership. It does make a difference. What helps is (and I know this isn't true for all dealerships, their owners and staff) if the employees remain for years, some for life. I always take my car in first thing in the morning when it's not so busy and have had many opportunities to talk with service and support people. I have never heard a complaint about the dealership or Toyota. This kind of loyalty (no, not BLIND loyalty) inspires my confidence in them. Sometimes things are out of their control, like problems with the new 2007 Camry. BUT, I have confidence that when I ask a question, or ask them to look into something, they really are giving me the best information possible. In fact, as much as three months after my purchase, and many questions about the hesitation, they offered to buy the car back from me at almost full price, and start over again. It was about then that the TSB came out.
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    crookie----Tell me where I can get the Fujita Cold Air Intake.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The only person at my Lexus dealer that is likely to recognize me is the one behind the parts counter.

    DIY all the way.
  • crookiecrookie Member Posts: 5
    I got it from ebay best offer $220. but before you do i did alot of searching and there is a perement fix fom Toyota. Check out http://www.toyotanation.com/ there is a servive bulitin TSB EG036-07 I4 ECM Calibration - 8/2/07 it will resolve all shifting and power problems with the I4 Camry. I would guess there working on fix for V6 also. I4 Owners get a copy of TSB and take it to dealer and tell them thats what you want done on your vechicle. V^ owners hold tight.
  • crookiecrookie Member Posts: 5
    There is a solution to your problem TSB EG036-07 I4 ECM Calibration - 8/2/07 more info at http://www.toyotanation.com/ go to dealer and tell them this is what you want
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    A reporter aims to connect with a V6 Camry owner who has encountered quality problems, particularly with the car's six-speed transmission. If you have a relevant experience to share, please respond to jfallon@edmunds.com with a few words about your experience along with your daytime contact info and the model year of your Camry. Please respond no later than Monday, November 5, 2007.

    Thanks,
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    Corporate Communications
    Edmunds.com
  • chuck28chuck28 Member Posts: 259
    Here is an update on my 2007 camry V-6 SE.
    After 16 months of total frustration, trans replacement, arbitration, many visits to the dealer to try to duplicate flare problem, ect...
    I left my car a few weekends ago at the dealer to have them try to duplicate the rpm flare.
    I wanted there mechanic to take the car home all weekend as I was out of town.
    Well, that never happened as the mechanic I guess was to busy they said.
    This was valuable time for me as I didn't need my car that weekend and don't have the time usually to drop a car off all weekend and be without a car.
    Well, the supervisor apologized and said I can set up another appointment another time.
    Well, since I have had my car back the flare problem is gone. There is a concern I have with the car going in to 1 gear when coming to a stop. The trans feels as if it is still going into gear even though the car is stopped. This only happens occasionally and seems to happen when the car is on a slight down grade. I'm still checking this out.
    6 months ago I had a conversation with a regional guy about doing the TSB for my car. He said we can't do that because we haven't duplicated the problem and if we go ahead and do it Toyota may be up against the "lemon law"?
    Well, I also once told the dealer and the rep that if they were smart they should have done the TSB without telling me. (Of course that would be illegal)
    Well, I believe that what they did?
    My trans seems much smoother though I paying close attention to some other issues.
    We will see if this fix last?
    I would love to here your opinions on what the dealership did with my car?
    Thanks, chuck
  • bmarkbmark Member Posts: 52
    Oh what a feeling TOYOTA
  • teamtboteamtbo Member Posts: 78
    Hmm, that is interesting. When they reflashed the ECU on my 2007 Camry XLE V6, the flare got MUCH worse the following day. It then settled down a little to about 500-600rpms.

    After two tranny replacements and the TSB, my car still has the shift flare. The 2nd tranny is much worse. I noticed a flare of about 800 rpms last night. Anyway, I went to a lemon law attorney and Toyota has agreed to buy back our lemon! Hoooray! God is good!

    I am so ready to be done with this car and move on with my life.
  • camryowner1camryowner1 Member Posts: 62
    CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
  • bwhalerbwhaler Member Posts: 9
    Hello. I was wondering if any of you know if the 6 speed transmission flare has been fixed?? I have been seeing many posts here & elsewhere. Seems that some 2008 models still have the problem.

    Interstingly, I have read how the V6 Camry has been dropped in ratings from Consumer Reports due to the number of transmission complaints. The irony in this is that the Lexus ES350 is still recommended and yet has the same transmission. I have found posts @ Clublexus.com whereby people are compaining about [non-permissible content removed] flare. Not sure why the Camry gets spanked while the ES 350 does not..... :confuse:

    Any light that you guys can shed would be great. My friend has a late 2007 V6 model and has had no trouble. It seems that 25% of V6 owners are complaining. Wonder if driver habit has anythign to do with the shift flare by learning ones driving style and programming shift points in the ECM.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    "Wonder if driver habit has anythign to do with the shift flare by learning ones driving style and programming shift points in the ECM."

    BINGO!
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Dwayne, you are one of a kind. I wish all customers were like you. Seriously.
    Mackabee
    :)
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    If driver habits are in play here wherein that results in the shift flare problem even I could fix that firmware design flaw.

    No, if that were the causative factor it would have been fixed LONG AGO...
  • chuckhoychuckhoy Member Posts: 420
    What is a shift flare? I assume it is when the engine revs for no particular reason.
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