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  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    Thats a pretty good deal, although I dont know about 7 year 100k Warranty, the Quality of the New TLC's is very high, although they have simple and pesky problems like tps sensors. Also the dealership will try to jerk you around by trying to tell you that this is not covered under warranty, it might not be worth the 1,600.
  • mobiweldmobiweld Posts: 99
    This was posted on another Land Cruiser website, the topic is some guys buddy says his Yukon is a better vehicle than his Land Cruiser. Thought it was an interesting perspective:
     
     
    My cruiser was built by a team of men who start each day doing calisthenics. They are greatful for the opportunity to have a career and be middle class. They take a personal interest in the quality of their work and their company's reputation. Each one is virtually guaranteed life-long job security. The production methods used by their company are the benchmark for which all other manufacturing operations are judged. Their suppliers conform to these standards of production or they will not be suppliers.

    Your friend's Yukon was built by some UAW with a hairy back and plumber's crack. He hates being working class, and hopes that union wins some concessions or that the gov will increase tariffs on imports so he can keep his job. His back is killing him so by the end of the day his assembly gets a little sloppy, but who cares? His contract allows for 10 warnings before his firing can go before the committee for final approval. His company has an output sensitive business model and will make the most money if production is plentiful. The suppliers to the company come from all over. Lowest bidder gets the contract. His company spends a holy fortune trying to convince the public that it's products are professional grade or whatever.

    Here's a funny story I like to tell people like your friend: As part of a new quality control program instituted at GM, their vehicle engineers traveled to Japan to observe toyota production techniques.

    Each time after the Toyota engineers recalibrate their assembly equipment they test the tolerances by conducting a little test. They showed the GM guys this test. They place a cat in the glovebox of the cruiser. If the cat suffocates by the next morning they know everything is up to specs and continue with the producion run.

    Impressed, the GM guys went back to their plant and tried the cat trick with their Yukon. When they came back in the morning the cat was gone!
  • junjun Posts: 1
      I have an 1998 TLC 100 VXR (V8 engine with Active height control and adjustable suspension).
      Problem 1: The suspension control is not working with note of excessive bouncing "like the shock absorbers are not functioning".
      Problem 2: The active height control LOW setting is not working for the rear.
      The shocks were replaced just 2 years ago.
      A visit to the local toyota dealer showed "low shock absorber pressures"
      The toyota technical group in our locality advised checking the "accumulator"
      Can you help me with these 2 problems?
      Can you also recommend where I can get a shop manual for this unit? Thanks!
  • steelcruisersteelcruiser Posts: 402
    1st-I would think you can get the RM from your dealer, or via an on-line source.

    As to the other issues, you state the shocks were replaced 2 years ago, but how many miles have you put on them since then?

    And you said you've visited the dealer but.....you didn't like there analysis or? Sounds as if they diagnosed the problem for you, no?

    How many total miles on your LC, what country are you in etc?
  • albivalbiv Posts: 35
    I traded in a 2002 Yukon for a 2003 TLC Landcruiser, so I have first hand knowledge. Anybody that makes a statement saying that the Yukon is better that a LC is either a troll or is a complete moron. While the Yukon is not a bad truck, if you can get past the piston slap and tranny whine and cheap interior and GM's crappy service and lack of accountability, it's not in the same state when comparing to a TLC. After 1 year with the Yukon it had been taken to the dealer over 10 times for quality related issues, the TLC has been taken once for a recall of the throttle body. After 1 year of owning the Yukon I was well on my way to figuring out a way to dump it, after the same amount of time and similar mileage the TLC looks, feels drives and even smells like the day we drove it off the lot. There is no way I will get rid of it. I could go on but I hope I got my point across.
  • grantchstrgrantchstr Posts: 371
    I have a 1991 Fj80 - 114,000 miles - and I have just noticed that the steering is now very slack, not precise as it once was. Anyone else have this by chance and at what mileage? Any remedy to recommend?
  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    Bushings, and baring need to be re packed in the front differential. If you are not a person with general mechanical know how, this is not a job for you, take it in to get serviced. Tell them the problems and see what they recommend. It is pretty common on Fj and FZJ-80's
  • grantchstrgrantchstr Posts: 371
    Thanks...
    Cheers.
  • qualitynutqualitynut Posts: 36
    Toyota quality and reliability (reinforced by many sources; press, forums, friends). Look at Forums for any other brand and you will read about issues and problems that are common for most owners of the vehicle. Look at Forum for Cruiser; largest issue is that people would like better mpg. No design or reliability issues to speak of.

    The purchase prices of Cruisers are high, however, the ownership cost over years is considerably less (Edmunds can help here). Mine replaced a '98 Jeep Grand Cherokee and even the insurance was considerably less (98 vs. 03!) Quality is expensive and most manufacturers (auto and other) will not invest. Starts with the engineering and then trickles down to suppliers of parts. Seems to me that many people have been accustomed to low quality levels for products for so long that they expect and accept them!

    Plan to keep the vehicle for many years and wanted the most durable, versatile and comfortable vehicle available. Although a vehicle for everyday use cannot be an investment, I felt that the purchase was a psuedo investment when considering the expected repairs, resale and owner satisfaction of the vehicle compared to others.
  • I just test drove a 2000 Land Cruiser. It is from an unaffiliated used car dealer (specializing in luxury vehicles coming from lease returns) and has 84,000 miles on it with one previous owner. It is advertised for an uncharacteristically low (in this area, anyway) $25,900 with room for negotiation. That's what 98 and 99 models are usually selling for around here.

    I did notice a few things that might explain the price, most notably:
    1. At its mileage, the big 90k service is looming.
    2. The tires are near the end.
    3. The brakes make the whole vehicle vibrate considerably and run very hot (pads/rotors?).
    4. (Not sure if this is normal or not) When I was going up a hill at about 30 mph, there was a very slight vibration and a definite high pitch whining noice coming from underneath the vehicle (transfer case/differential?).

    I'm no mechanic by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm thinking about taking it in for an inspection. However, any thoughts or comments by the boardwould be greatly appreciated. Also, is it a good idea to take it to a Toyota dealer for an inspection, or are they just going to trash talk it to sell me one of their used ones (for $5-8k more)?

    Thanks!
  • hank14hank14 Posts: 133
    In my opinion, take it to a dealer for a pre-purchase inspection. It will cost $150-250, but will save you from overlooking some potential problems. If they have any used LC's for sale, use the opportunity to compare them to what you are looking at, compare estimated costs to get your proposed vehicle up to par with other comparable used LC's, and make your decision from there. Heve the inspecting dealership give you an estimate of all needed repair and maintenance items to aid your decision.

    If they do have comparable used LC's for 5-8K more, that may end up being the way to go. Just a thought.

    Have you owned a Landcruiser before?
  • Thanks for the advice. I have never owned one before, just been following this board for months. So I'm not familiar with the sounds that are supposed to be there and the ones that aren't. But I do know something isn't right with the brakes, the whole dashboard was shaking when applying the breaks.

    I think I'll spend the day test driving a few more to get a better idea of what they're supposed to feel and sound like and then take my favorite to the dealership for an inspection.
  • hank14hank14 Posts: 133
    With the brakes, you can be assured they at least need new rotors (don't have them turned) and pads while they're at it. The noise from the drivetrain is not normal, but may be related to lack of lubrication of the driveshafts. With brakes and tires, you'll spend at least $1,000.

    Like any vehicle, knowing the past service history is very valuable. I would look for one with complete service records.

    Good luck with your search.
  • I drove a few more today, and the 2000 seems to have problems. The 99s I drove felt and sounded quite a bit smoother overall, so I'm putting the 2000 into the "if-it-sounds-too-good-to-be-true-it-usually-is" category. Regarding service records, I haven't seen a single one that had them. Does anyone know if Toyota has a central database where they could call those up by VIN (at least the major ones)? Also, all I have looked at so far were lease returns, am I correct to assume that Toyota requires their leasees to bring it in for every service? (I know I had to with my Mercedes M-Class.)
  • grantchstrgrantchstr Posts: 371
    I have had a Fj80 since new in 1991, and serviced it at a Toyota Dealer for years, however I was ripped off regularly as my dealer charged for service stuff that highly tuned cars need but LCs dont. Dealers charge a fixed hourly fee even if they actually take half the time or dont do anything (its not on the LC chart but on a Supra chart for example). After my dealer took three failed attempts to repack my birfield/steering knuckles I switched to an Indy and have never looked back. This means that my records arent 100% on a computer, and as I am not a great record keeper I dont have all my records - but my machime has been regularly serviced - at way way less cost than my "expert" dealer! I suspect that Toyota mechanics dont all have a lot of LC experience compared to say Camrys.
  • njpaguynjpaguy Posts: 55
    Lookign for names (if any) of independent TLC service folks in Eastern PA/NJ area ('01 V8).

    If not there, someone somewhat near who is well worth the drive. Thanks.
  • rich999rich999 Posts: 3
    My Land Cruiser Compact disc player is not working. Two days ago I tried to play CD#6, got the Error 3 message, then it just quit working. It does not play the CD, does not eject the CD, and has been staying like this until now. Before I bring it to the dealer I am thinking about replacing the CD receiver with a newer one that can play MP3 songs too. Can any one tell me which brand and model is the most compatible with the existing system. Thanks.
  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    you have a 1999 LC and you want to get rid of the rear seats?
      If I were you I would save them until you plan on resaling the Car, then you can use them as leverage for more pay
  • rich999rich999 Posts: 3
    Not 1999, it is the 2000 model. It is the optional third row seat which I don't need.
  • coupedncalcoupedncal Posts: 252
    That is exactly what tlcman meant. Save the seats and store them somewhere. 90% of the buyers of your vehicle will be put off when you tell them you cruiser only seats 5. Unless you know you will keep it forever and ever.
  • krn1krn1 Posts: 1
    I have an 03 LC with 14K miles, best car I have ever owned, but worst cd player also. I skimped and did not do the nav system, got the 6 CD changer set-up. After 9 months, the cd player constantly displayed an ERROR 4 message, and would not do anything. At first the message would go away upon restarting the car, then it started staying on for longer periods. My dealer here in St. Louis changed out the stereo three months ago, the new CD player worked for couple of weeks and now is doing the same thing, although the ERROR 4 message is now a permanent fixture. The dealer is "waiting to hear back from Toyota" regarding the message. They are going on two weeks. Any thoughts out there.
  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    There have been lots of 'bad' stereos that Toyota has put out, It is probably a flawed system and a bad face/changer. The remedy that I have seen that works 100% is to buy and aftermarket system. Its allittle on the pricey side depending on the sound quality that you are looking for, but removing the old system removes the problem.
  • ddw78ddw78 Posts: 16
    Hank,

    Sorry for the delay in answering... been traveling and not paying attention (so what else is new?) Yes, I had the starter replaced, and it cured the problem (for about $750.00 after whining a lot.)

    I'm still chasing an anoying rattle off idle to about 1500 rpm that sounds like a heat shield on one of the cat-cons. My friendly dealer has replaced the shields twice and and one cat con for free under the California Emissions warranty, but it still rattles off idle. It stopped for about a week after each repair attempt, though.

    Cheers,

    DDW
  • hank14hank14 Posts: 133
    DDW- mine just got out of the shop, same problem. I didn't see how tackling that starter replacement, with it located under the intake manifold, was a DIY job.
  • I'm coming up on 50,000 miles on my 2000 LC (4 years). The shocks don't seem to "bounce" when I try to test them, but the wheels seem to feel every little bump in the road lately.

    I'm trying to figure out if it's just because the tires are about due for replacement, or if the shocks might be on their last legs also.

    How long can I expect the OEM shocks to last?
  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    OEM shocks can last up to 150,000 miles and still work effectively, most work to about 100,000-120,000 but there are in very few cases "Bad Batches" of shocks that will go out after about 20,000...
    The reason why you are noticing more bumps it because you car is at its peak and fully broken in and drives slightly differently, and also you are looking to find a flaw and when you are you notice allot more.
    Hope this helps
  • hank14hank14 Posts: 133
    The question I have is, Do shocks gradually lose their effectiveness, or do they work like new until they leak, then completely go out at some point, and can you test this on the vehicle?

    In my opinion, if you have to remove the shock to check it and there is any significant mileage on them, they might as well be replaced.

    (I'm just looking for a good excuse to order a new set of OME shocks).
  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    They do change over time like any kind of shocks do, they will not always drive like they did the day you drove it off the lot. Although they do not deteriate fast like Fords shocks, or other cheaper company s. They will stay effective until they leak, but the effectiveness will decrease as millage and driving conditions increase or get rougher. Like I said my shocks were 'effective' until 120,000 miles then the rear left leaked and I decided to replace them all. You should not have to replace a pair with 50,000 miles on them, they are completely broken in and feel differently but they still work.
  • Anybody encounter a squeek somewhere in the undercarriage when hitting small bumps in the road? Shocks, springs maybe. My dealer said it's not the shocks, but wants to lubricate the emergency brake cable. Does that sound right?

    It's a 2000 TLC with 63K, otherwise perfect.
  • tlcmantlcman Posts: 220
    sometimes the cable will hit the frame on small bumps making a 'clank' and maybe a squeak type sound. a squeak would possibly be a loose nut/bolt which would allow panels too move, I think you should try to pin point the squeak, does it happen on accel. or decel? turning left or right, A/C on or off, ect...
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