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Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • I would be in a diesel Subie today, had they brought it to the US. I would have thought it to be a no brainer: if you make a new diesel engine, it better have enough newness to meet emission specs anywhere in the world, without all the fancy bandaids that have been added for an existing diesel.

    I think VW has proven that sales of US diesel cars can be profitable.

    John
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    edited September 2013
    Audi just launched a campaign touting the advantages of diesel here in the US. Now that mpg seems firmly planted as something US consumers value, we'll see more and more diesel outside of the Germans. To wit, Cruze diesel, Mazda 6 diesel. As with hybrid and some other stuff, Subaru is usually a follower on these things. They don't have the resources many other companies have for hybrid tech, but since they already sell diesel elsewhere, it's frustrating they don't sell it here. Yeah, they might have to re-engineer some for emissions, but you wouldn't think that would be a deal-breaker to get it here if they wanted to.

    I'd be tempted by a diesel Subie too.
  • jfljfl Posts: 1,346
    edited September 2013
    I fully agree with you guys.

    I'd love a diesel Subaru with a 6-speed manual tranny to replace my 2000 Legacy. Unfortunately, it looks like I might have to settle with an Impreza 5M to get reasonable mpg w/AWD.

    If Golf & Jetta TDIs had AWD, Subaru would probably lose a sale. They don't require the "blue" additive and meet emission standards.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Tribeca hasn't been updated since 2008. Some competitors have had 2 since then.

    I think the Forester now has more interior and cargo space.

    Ironically, now that the Outback has grown, a Tribeca based on that larger platform could be competitive. Look at Pilot, Highlander, and now Pathfinder sales. This is a big segment.

    I doubt they will, though.
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    Huge segment, and there's nowhere for Subie owners who want to move into it to go but elsewhere. Amazing that my choice if I want to replace my 06 TriBeCa and stay in the Subaru world is to basically buy the same car.

    Hopefully with the increased sales/revenue over the last few years they have the development money to create something new for the segment.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There was talk about the next one sharing highlander DNA.

    Do this - let Subaru engineer it, which worked for the FT86. Toyota can add DI, cabin tech, and let each have a unique design.
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    Sounds like a good plan to me.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,464
    Unless they make it a diesel offering, I still don't see the point. The AWD certainly isn't a game changer in that segment.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    And it sure looks GREAT! Wow....
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,464
    I'm withholding judgement for a couple of weeks! :P
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited November 2013
    268 hp 2.0 DIT engine (STI gets 2.5 engine). HT CVT option w/6-8 faux gears (WRX only). 6-speed manual. 4-door only. Quicker steering. Better handling. Better looking.

    http://theautopanel.blogspot.com/2013/11/2015-wrxsti-unofficially-revealed.html

    Bob
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    Yeah, I'll wait a couple of weeks too. The renderings of the rest which I saw were disappointing but may be totally off.

    Not nuts about the Legacy concept, very tired of the big character line colliding with the oversized front wheel well look. That's been done to death for me.

    Like on the Impreza, the wheel wells up front look grafted on, though a bit less so on the Concept. They need to continue into the door panel at least for some elegance a la the Mazda 6.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Official debut is today...what time? IIRC it was 12:30, half hour away.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,464
    Well, I have to say that if I were to even be tempted by this, they'd have to offer it as a 5-door. Maybe the 2016 model?

    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/20/2015-subaru-wrx-2013-la/
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Let's see a Levorg wagon-based WRX.

    That could appear with 3 turbos:

    small (1.6l it gets now)
    medium (2.0l from the base WRX)
    large (2.5l from the STI)
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,464
    I don't know. That Levorg actually looks halfway decent. I doubt Subaru would produce such a thing! :P
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    My sentiments exactly.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    edited November 2013
    Don't worry, it won't come to NA.
    Made narrower than the sedan like the old WRX and STi which screams JDM - there is some tax or registration regs there which relate to wagons of a certain width. I have forgotten all the subtleties, but basically under 1.7m wide and less than 2.0L wagons are classified as compact commercial.
  • well...my wife's cousin showed up today for Thanksgiving, NOT in their Outback (which seems to have been kicking the bucket around 170k) but in a new VW Jetta Hybrid. Yeah, and they said they got 47 mpg on the trip over. That's the new, trick 1.4 liter turbo direct inject. They had nothing bad to say about it (other than initial $$$$): quiet, comfortable, and a nice upgrade from the Outback.

    hmmm...I still think that the hybrid in the Crosstrek must be able to add more than 1 mpg highway. Ok, vs the Jetta hybrid, an AWD penalty of say 3 mpg, and a raised/higher profile penalty of 3 mpg, the Crosstrek hybrid should be able to make 40 mpg highway IMO. Seems reasonable given that the Impreza hatch with CVT will get 35mpg highway without difficulty.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's a bit smaller, no? Maybe compared to the current Outback, at least.

    Sedan, right? I think they stopped selling the wagon.

    I'd take the previous wagon TDI over the new hybrid sedan.
  • it was bigger than our 2012 Impreza hatch (wider and longer, but a sedan). I was surprised at the size, I thought maybe it was a Passat at first glance.

    The Jetta Sport Wagon with TDI is still for sale.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Does anyone besides me think there is just no way Subaru would really go ahead with dropping the WRX hatchback and only offering the sedan? In my area, the hatches outnumber the sedans about 6 to 1.

    Could it be that they are just a little late in designing the hatch and it will follow the launch of the new WRX by a few months? Seems impossible to believe there will be no WRX hatchback after 2014.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    My area is mostly hatches too. But I gather they are dropping the hatch for at least the time being here.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,464
    I am on the same page as you with this one. I think they'll introduce the hatch a little ways down the road; maybe even for MY16. I guess it doesn't really matter to me at this point. I'm content with what I own, so I'll just sit back and watch for now. :)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited December 2013

    @nippononly said: Does anyone besides me think there is just no way Subaru would really go ahead with dropping the WRX hatchback and only offering the sedan? In my area, the hatches outnumber the sedans about 6 to 1.

    Could it be that they are just a little late in designing the hatch and it will follow the launch of the new WRX by a few months? Seems impossible to believe there will be no WRX hatchback after 2014.

    I think we will see the Levorg wagon here next year as a 2016 model. It's basically a more luxurious "GT" version of the WRX.

    Bob

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited December 2013

    More Levorg concepts to be shown at the Tokyo Auto Salon in January.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited December 2013

    Trying to figure out this new Edmunds format... Is there a way to delete your own post, within the 4-hour edit window?

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663

    Subaru to show a bunch of Levorg concepts at Tokyo Auto Salon in January.

    http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2014-subaru-levorg-concepts-to-bow-at-2014-tokyo-auto-salon.html

  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516

    @rsholland said: Trying to figure out this new Edmunds format... Is there a way to delete your own post, within the 4-hour edit window?

    If you don't have a "Delete" option in the geartooth Tools menu at the top-right of the post, you can at least delete all the text in the Edit function and leave a blank post.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited January 8

    2015 WRX STI images leaked.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/08/2015-subaru-wrx-sti-photos-leak/

    This is the Launch Edition model. It's the only trim level with gold wheels. I'm hoping the Limited model comes without the arrest-me-now wing.

    Bob

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