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Can VW Overtake Toyota and GM To Become #1?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    VW certainly is ambitious. I don't think they'll meet their U.S goals though, because they still don't fully understand the market here, or American tastes, and their reputation for quality is at best mediocre. But their plan for "modular engineering", using perhaps 4 basic platforms for all their vehicles, is interesting.

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,346

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: VW certainly is ambitious. I don't think they'll meet their U.S goals though, because they still don't fully understand the market here, or American tastes, and their reputation for quality is at best mediocre. But their plan for "modular engineering", using perhaps 4 basic platforms for all their vehicles, is interesting.

  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,346

    VW has just raised the bar again to attract more people to their cars by dropping a year from the maintenance plan. It's now 2 years / 24K miles. Their leases are touted for 42 months which leaves you with 18 months of paying for VW service. If they were in the same league as Honda and Toyota -- not a big deal. My Buick costs me $59 for an oil change and tire rotation. Anyone know what VW charges ?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    @jayrider said: My Buick costs me $59 for an oil change and tire rotation. Anyone know what VW charges ?

    Depnds on what they do, doesn't it? I remember when I used to bring my MINI in for an oil change service and tire rotation, the $130 bucks I got nicked included synthetic oil, the correct factory filter (VERY important on this car), check all fluid levels and top off if necessary, scan the car for codes, fill up the washer tank and a car wash (exterior). Not sure all that is worth $70 bucks extra over what you pay, but I can't easily check transaxle fluids, and I'd have to run to the store and the car wash for the other stuff.

    What ALL automakers have to learn is that SERVICE is going to be the key to future success. There are many dealerships that really need to be whipped into shape. We all know that everyone else knows that Lexus service is generally admired and VW service is not---naturally, many exceptions abound to this blanket statement.

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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,346

    The service includes a multipoint inspection with a printout. Now, if I take my car in and say "give me the 5000 mile service" that will come in around $200 -- for essentially the same thing.

  • berriberri Posts: 4,234

    Where I live there are two Toyota and Honda dealers nearby. One of each now provides pastries like Panera in the morning. The oil changes aren't any more expensive or different, nor are the mechanics, so I've switched my service dealers. The two dealers with the more customer focus are going to make more money off of me than the other two where I bought the cars originally. So I totally agree with what you are saying and have acted accordingly in my business decisions. When it's time to buy again, I'll buy from these dealers if the price is similar as well. Also, the dealers I originally bought these vehicles from have been bought out by some regional chain that seems more interested in trying to gyp you with unneeded service suggestions than becoming a business partner you can trust. Guess what, despite their regional chain cost advantages, the better customer oriented local dealers are actually taking market share from them. I love it!!!

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,229
    edited December 2013

    Unless something dramatic happens before year end, VW will sell more cars in China than GM, for the first time in nine years.

    Audi is the leading luxury brand in China.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    VW seems to struggle more in the USA than anywhere else.

    @hpmctorque said: Unless something dramatic happens before year end, VW will sell more cars in China than GM, for the first time in nine years.

    Audi is the leading luxury brand in China.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286
    edited January 13

    Can't wait to see what name VW picks for this one. It'll be slotted between the Tiguan and the Touareg. Maybe the Tijuana.

    Production Version of Volkswagen CrossBlue Headed to Showrooms

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    Hopefully something that doesn't make my mouth hurt--they need more vowels at the end of their products, you're right----Tiguanni, Touraregino.....

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286

    "General Motors edged Volkswagen in global sales for 2013, likely securing the slot as the world’s second biggest automaker for the second consecutive year.

    Toyota is expected to maintain its position as the world’s largest automaker for the second consecutive year when it reports global sales later this week."

    General Motors beats Volkswagen in 2013 global sales race (Detroit Free Press)

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286
    edited January 16

    This is a fun detour, especially if you're near Tacoma:

    Love Bug: Vintage Volkswagens on display at car museum (NBC News)

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,229

    Since it's more relevant to view autos from a global perspective than a national one, the new Big 3 are Toyota, GM and VW, in that order.

    I predict that, with the quality gap narrowing, GM or VW will overtake Toyota as the world's largest vehicle manufacturer. Why? As quality equalizes, it is no longer the powerful differentiator it once was. It's a buyers' market, and Toyota has shown less success in making it's vehicles aspirational. The new Corolla is an excellent example of design mediocrity. It's a good product, but falls short of being exceptional. The Focus, Mazda 3 and Jetta seem like stronger entries; more fun and exciting compacts, or, at a minimum, less dull.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    ANYBODY THINK THIS WILL FLY? Aging hippies, form a line to the right.

    http://www.latescar.com/volkswagen-microbus-2014-price-and-release-date/

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286
    edited January 31

    Oh man, VW is teasing me again with that concept? Wonder what the design will really look like if they actually get there (and they need to do something, having dropped the Routan Grand Caravan).

    Really, I think that site you linked to is just recycling old news. But I can dream.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,962

    Early April Fools joke? Haven't seen that one from any mainstream sources. Kind of a fishy site too, like it was generated by a good automatic translator.

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: ANYBODY THINK THIS WILL FLY? Aging hippies, form a line to the right.

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,647

    I think that's old news, since cancelled. No sign of it lately, at least.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    It's not a real car. A February Fool's joke. I think someone photoshopped a few details onto VW's 2001 concept car.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286

    "Volkswagen of America reported that sales fell 19 percent in January.... VW's January sales of 23,494 units compared to 29,018 a year ago. The Passat's sales last month of 6,236 were off from 8,856 in January 2013, the automaker reported.

    General Motors' sales fell 12 percent in January to 171,486 vehicles compared with the same month a year earlier.

    Toyota reported January sales results of 146,365 vehicles, a 7.2 percent decrease from what it sold in the U.S. in the same month a year earlier."

    Chattanooga-made Passat sales plunge; other auto sales mixed in January (timesfreepress.com)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,052

    @Stever@Edmunds said: "General Motors edged Volkswagen in global sales for 2013, likely securing the slot as the world’s second biggest automaker for the second consecutive year.

    GM got a little ahead of itself. Now number 3 in the World.

    Volkswagen AG said it topped rival General Motors Co. for second place among all automakers, selling 9.73 million vehicles in 2013. )Volkswagen AG said Thursday it topped rival General Motors Co. for second place among all automakers, selling 9.73 million vehicles in 2013 over the Detroit automaker's 9.71 million.

    http://www.autospies.com/news/VW-Overtakes-GM-To-Become-Number-Two-In-2013-Global-Sales-79960/

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/volkswagen-overtakes-general-motors-as-worlds-number-2-car-maker/articleshow/29661703.cms

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,647

    But only if you count VW's heavy trucks, which GM doesn't have...

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,052

    Toyota counts their heavy Hino trucks. And that is who VW is out to pass. Should be based on profit and their would be no question who is the biggest in the World.

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,229

    Whether VW is #1 or #2 in the world, it's been a phenomenal success.

    I heard on a history program that VW was offered to Henry Ford by the Allies shortly after WWII, for no money, and after evaluating the Beetle, he turned down the offer. The idea was that the deal required Ford to take over the VW facilities and start production. Talk about a missed opportunity! However, I doubt that VW would have been as successful as it was if Henry had taken over the brand.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,052
    edited February 5

    The VW Bug has to be in the top 10 best engineered vehicles of all time. I took my Bug places my 4x4s would get stuck. I would take that over any FWD car ever built. I think VW still has the best engineered vehicles for the segment they own. And they make more money doing it than any other auto maker.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,266

    That's true. Henry Ford turned down the offer of the VW factory (which was, to be fair, in ruins), saying something like "there is no profit in small cars". At the time, he was probably right. The British also turned down ownership of the factory.

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,229

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: "That's true. Henry Ford turned down the offer of the VW factory (which was, to be fair, in ruins), saying something like "there is no profit in small cars". At the time, he was probably right. The British also turned down ownership of the factory."

    The fact that VW made money suggests that Henry was wrong regarding the profit potential for small cars in Europe. However, the devil may be in the details on this one. For example, you could be correct if VW received subsidies to resume production of the Beetle, under the Marshall Plan or some other aid program, which wasn't available to Ford or the British.

    After WWII, most European car production, from a variety of manufacturers in Germany, France, Italy and the UK consisted of small cars for the European market. Since it was a buyers' market, it's reasonable to assume that the largest of these manufacturers, and even some of the smaller ones, were profitable. Of course, Ford (and GM) were among the larger European manufacturers after WWII, so Ford already had a presence in Europe.

  • texasestexases Posts: 5,647

    Like you said, Ford probably wanted to stick with what it knew in Europe, and not risk the 'odd' VW approach. It worked fine for Ford, after all.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,962

    Wasn't Henry pretty out of touch by 1945-46? If he even really considered it, he probably just saw how slow and clattery it was, and dismissed it. USA moved on from a Model T style basic car for awhile, but Europe needed a new one. Or like you say, maybe Ford (and GM) were content with their own existing products and didn't want to deal with absorbing a new one.

    I don't know if subsidies were part of it - Germany received less than half the ERP funds made available to Britain, and with significantly more population.

    VW might have also been dismissed because the car was as much a Nazi propaganda tool as it was a car, and many might not have wanted to be associated with it. It took some guts to run with it in the early postwar days.

    @hpmctorque said:

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,286
    edited February 6

    Less net income, more profits in NA.

    GM earnings down 22% for 2013, but profit-sharing up to $7,500 (Detroit Free Press)

    The Detroit News promoted a different headline:

    GM earned $3.77B in 2013; profit sharing up to $7,500

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