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Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766
    edited January 2014

    28 minute video explaining the engineering behind the new '15 WRX. Lots of interesting info here. The person speaking is Todd Hill. He's the WRX line manager at SOA.

    Bob

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766
    edited January 2014

    New Legacy to debut at Chicago car show on Feb. 6.

    http://www.media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=565&mid=1

    Bob

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766
    edited February 2014

    New '15 Legacy images leaked ahead of debut. This appears to be a 2.5 Limited with Eyesight.

    http://www.carscoops.com/2014/02/2015-subaru-legacy-photos-spill-on-web.html

    http://jalopnik.com/2015-subaru-legacy-this-is-it-1515654459

    Hope they will bring back the sportier GT model. Will find out Thursday.

    Bob

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,004

    I am decidedly underwhelmed, but I am not surprised at all. It is a little easier on the eyes, at least.

    2010 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    edited February 2014

    Yeah, no surprise. One of the renders I saw was much nicer. Oh well, Subaru's doing well and not because people are buying them for their looks. At least they got rid of the giant wheel arches which were garish and destroyed any front to back fluidity. I see some Accord (character line primarily) w/a snout, though the roofline is a bit nicer. Maybe it'll look better in person, I'm told the WRX does and the Impreza hatch has grown on me a tiny bit now that I see them around.

    Still think they need to separate the Outback and Legacy more -- very different customers being forced to share a lot of the same body panels.

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  • jfljfl Posts: 1,362

    So...instead of the one bar grill giving a sleek lower nose, they go with the three bar grill reminiscent of big full sized sedans.

    The low CG flat engine that allows you to lower the entire hood line is now covered with a high hood like all the competitors.

    Glad I got my Impreza 5-door 'cuz this would NOT have replaced my 2000 Legacy sedan!

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766
    edited February 2014

    @jfl said:
    So...instead of the one bar grill giving a sleek lower nose, they go with the three bar grill reminiscent of big full sized sedans.

    The low CG flat engine that allows you to lower the entire hood line is now covered with a high hood like all the competitors.

    Glad I got my Impreza 5-door 'cuz this would NOT have replaced my 2000 Legacy sedan!

    Most cars in this market segment have a large frontal area. I don't mind it. I'm far more interested in the specs, trim levels and model content. Will find that out tomorrow at their Chicago car show press announcement.

    Also, Subaru has a second press announcement on Friday. Wonder if they'll debut the new Outback then?

    Bob

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766
    edited February 2014

    Info on new Legacy.

    http://www.media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=567&mid=1

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/06/2015-subaru-legacy-chicago-2014/

    Short story:

    2.5 and 3.6 engines slightly upgraded over last year's. No DI.

    CVTs across the board. No more manual tranny. H6 gets high-torque CVT.

    Torque vectoring like that found on new WRX.

    Car is slightly longer than old model and with more room inside.

    Infotainment vastly improved.

    Rear seat heaters

    Upgraded Eyesight

    Bob

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,004
    edited February 2014

    Holy fn hell. I believe Subaru finally bowed out. :@

    2010 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,499

    Is Subaru now a division of Ford? Looks like they simply put a Subaru badge on a Ford Taurus.

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  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, MDPosts: 1,246

    Greetings Crew!

    Disappointed Subaru dropped 6MT from the Legacy; ditto for the Outback? I had planned on replacing a MY00 Legacy GT wagon with an Outback in '15. Maybe I should gobble up a 6MT MY14 Outback while I can, assuming I can find one.

    Fortunately, both boys learned stick on MY00.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,783
    edited February 2014

    Moderator - Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766
    edited February 2014
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766

    @miksmi said:
    Greetings Crew!

    Disappointed Subaru dropped 6MT from the Legacy; ditto for the Outback? I had planned on replacing a MY00 Legacy GT wagon with an Outback in '15. Maybe I should gobble up a 6MT MY14 Outback while I can, assuming I can find one.

    Fortunately, both boys learned stick on MY00.

    ..Mike

    Hi Mike! It's been a while—too long!

    Good luck finding a manual anything! Then there's always a WRX. ;) Write ups have been fantastic on the new '15 model.

    Bob

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  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,499

    @rsholland said:
    Then there's always a WRX. Write ups have been fantastic on the new '15 model.

    But ... no '15 WRX hatch or wagon. :(

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766

    @dcm61 said:
    But ... no '15 WRX hatch or wagon. :(

    Yeah, a real bummer. :(

    Bob

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  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 689
    @dcm61 said: But ... no '15 WRX hatch or wagon. :(
    

    Yeah, a real bummer. :(

    The 2014 Forester XT is close to what a WRX wagon would be: Same engine,Same brakes and unfortunately just as hard a ride :(

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  • jfljfl Posts: 1,362

    I find it hard to believe that Subaru would give up the WRX hatch market. Perhaps they'll launch it next year since they've launched the WRX and Legacy already this year, that would keep them in the news for 2016.

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766

    @jfl said:
    I find it hard to believe that Subaru would give up the WRX hatch market. Perhaps they'll launch it next year since they've launched the WRX and Legacy already this year, that would keep them in the news for 2016.

    I'm hoping they bring over the new 2.0 Levorg sport wagon. It's based on the WRX, but is more luxurious. Think of it being a WRX but with Legacy-like comfort and features.

    Bob

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766

    Canadian '15 Legacy still has a 6-speed manual tranny available.

    http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1302359/subaru-canada-introduces-all-new-2015-legacy

    Bob

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766

    I've been curious about the base engine in the Levorg. It's a 1.6L turbo but only puts out 170 hp, which led me to wonder if it's FB-based rather than FA-based. Turns out it is FB-based, as this PDF notes that.

    http://www.subaru.jp/levorg/levorg/spec/pdf/levorg_specifications.pdf

    I think this engine has a lot of potential as a base engine, or as a mid-level engine option. The FB16 DIT, as it currently stands, puts out power that's comparible to that of the non-turbo FB25, yet gets better gas mileage. Plus it's designed on regular gas.

    Using my calculator, if you scale up this engine to 2.0 or 2.5 the horsepower increases to 212 (2.0) and 265 (2.5). A 212 hp FB20 DIT would be perfect as an option in Subies sold here. You would get good power and have excellent gas mileage as well.

    Hope SOA is thinking alone these lines too.

    Bob

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,004

    Gee a plug-in diesel! That sounds entirely feasible for Subaru to bring to the NA market! (Note sarcasm here).

    I do like some of the design cues, which mean that none of them will actually see production, but those rear doors! Wow. That is what modern "SUV" replacements for minivans really need (and I'm serious): Better access to the "kid zone" portion of the vehicle.

    2010 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,766

    2015 Outback teaser.

    "Subaru confirms new Outback to debut in New York"- http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/03/subaru-outback-new-york-teaser-official/

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  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    edited April 2014

    Pic I saw of the Outback actually looks good. Looks too like they may have clear 'outdoorsy' vs 'urban' trim lines

    And yeah, a diesel electric engine would be awesome but unfortunately unlikely here though I think as diesel gets marketed more and more here -- loving my Jeep diesel btw which replaced my Tribeca -- they may be willing to at least follow the trend.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 9,004
    edited April 2014

    Ah! It is such an improvement over the outgoing model! Nice! Still a bit bulbous-looking, but quite a step forward. Kudos, Subaru (I almost thought I'd never say that again!).

    Sadly, the current model is going to look quite dated as soon as these hit the street. At least that's not the case for the prior-gen Forester! :p

    2010 Subaru Forester, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    edited April 2014

    @xwesx said:
    Ah! It is such an improvement over the outgoing model! Nice! Still a bit bulbous-looking, but quite a step forward. Kudos, Subaru (I almost thought I'd never say that again!).
    :p

    Yeah, who woulda guessed! Actually a little sleek and like it's supposed to move forward.

    As my favorite line in 'Ratoutille' goes, I don't have to muscle thru the gag reflex to get to the good qualities of it

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