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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    I think The Accord (Sport) is exactly the right weapon to attack an 80 mile round trip commute, as long as it is mostly clutch-in driving. It is well built, frugal, and reliable as a refrigerator

    However, if I had to pump that clutch for 1.5 hours each way... then well, not so much.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456

    @cski said:

    I think The Accord (Sport) is exactly the right weapon to attack an 80 mile round trip commute, as long as it is mostly clutch-in driving. It is well built, frugal, and reliable as a refrigerator

    However, if I had to pump that clutch for 1.5 hours each way... then well, not so much.

    I will add that I think you will be surprised by better mpg even if you don't change your driving habits as the car will be spending much more time warmed up, which is much more efficient than a cold engine. Tweek speeds down a bit and avoid heavy throttle and you will be mid thirties before you know it.

    Post back on how your mpg improves on the new commute.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,786

    Warm engine really helps my mpg. And keeping the speed to c.64-68 instead of 70-74 adds about 2-3 mpg as well. I've got the Accord CVT, and that adds another 2-3, which is how I was once able to get as high as 40 on a highway trip (plus the ac was off)....

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,786
    edited March 29

    Automobile magazine compares the Chrysler 200 and the Accord:

    "Chrysler has gone for a cockpit-like treatment with a high center console that angles up to meet the dash.....Unfortunately, the enveloping feel applies not just to the driver but to the passengers as well. Rear-seat space is adequate for a six-footer, but the 200 closes in around you due to its sloping roofline, rising beltline, and thick pillars.

    What a contrast to the Accord....Honda's longtime talent for space efficiency is on display here. Sit in the rear seat, and not only are the front seatbacks far away from your knees, but a six-footer's head doesn't brush the roof and you can easily see outside. The squared-off cabin is as airy as a downtown loft. The windows are large, the pillars are thin, the console is low -- it's a formula that today's auto designers have largely discarded, but one that is absolutely endearing for a car's driver and passengers."

    Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1403-2015-chrysler-200-limited-vs-2014-honda-accord-ex-comparison/#ixzz2xLVYlwT8

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338
    edited March 29

    Survey:

    1) If you could choose just one thing, what do you dislike the most on your mid size?

    2) What one item/feature do you like the best?

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    Benjaminh: That was a great review. The 200 sure is a looker, with the 4 door coupe styling similar to cars like the Mazda 6 and the Optima. The wheels look like exact copies of mine.

    With the poor visibility being a major issue for me, followed by poor steering and difficulty placing the wheels, I would go right over to Honda and grab the Accord. (with the Sport wheels if at all possible). ;)

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784

    For my 2013 Sonata GLS...

    1) I wish the rear seats would fold completely flat. The seatbacks stick up at an angle when folded, as they do on most sedans. I wish more automakers would copy the clever design of the Mazda6 hatch, in which the rear seat bottom moves down as you fold the seatback, resulting in a flat cargo floor.

    2) That's a tough one, but after this winter (over 50 days below zero) I'd have to say the heated seats. :smile:

    @cski said: Survey:

    1) If you could choose just one thing, what do you dislike the most on your mid size?

    2) What one item/feature do you like the best?

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784

    It's March Madness! No, I don't mean the basketball stuff. I mean prices on mid-sized sedans. Some great deals out there now. A few examples from today's paper:

    • 2014 Fusion (base model I expect) for either $17,288 or $89/month for 24 month lease, with $2500 down + TT&L.
    • 2014 Sonata GLS for $17,310 (add $500 if not a Hyundai owner)
    • 2014 Sonata GLS for $189/month for 36 month lease with only first payment up front

    I expect the great deals on Sonatas are because the redesigned 2015s will be here pretty soon, also the auto show discounts expire this weekend.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,786

    It's a tough call, but perhaps the thing I like best about our 2013 Accord is the outstanding visibility. In terms of things I don't like they are just little nit-picks, but the carpeting on this generation isn't as good as on previous Accords.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    Optima worst and best feature:

    Worst is a tie: Poor visibility or rubbery steering

    Best thing: Looks inside and out

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    @backy said: It's March Madness! No, I don't mean the basketball stuff. I mean prices on mid-sized sedans. Some great deals out there now. A few examples from today's paper:

    • 2014 Fusion (base model I expect) for either $17,288 or $89/month for 24 month lease, with $2500 down + TT&L.
    • 2014 Sonata GLS for $17,310 (add $500 if not a Hyundai owner)
    • 2014 Sonata GLS for $189/month for 36 month lease with only first payment up front

    I expect the great deals on Sonatas are because the redesigned 2015s will be here pretty soon, also the auto show discounts expire this weekend.

    I always worry about those teaser deals. I imagine there is 1 stock number at that price, and it includes 1 vent, canvas bench seats, AM radio, 1 roll down window and 13"steel wheels.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626

    I know Fitzmall is advertising (real prices on real cars) in the $4,500 off neighborhood for 4 cyl. Altimas, so around 20K for an S.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,966
    edited March 30

    My Fusion. Like least: Too much power for what I need. What I like best: Pretty much everything else. If I could buy it again, I would get the hybrid model.

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,030

    Honda Accord best feature: visibility, sure handling, backup camera. Actually, pretty much everything. Worst feature: upgrade the stereo on EX-L but keep the interface.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    @explorerx4 said: My Fusion. Like least: Too much power for what I need. What I like best: Pretty much everything else. If I could buy it again, I would get the hybrid model.

    I also have come to the conclusion that a hybrid would be a good idea for this area, but I don't think I could ever complain about too much horsepower!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,169
    edited March 30

    @suydam said: Honda Accord best feature: visibility, sure handling, backup camera. Actually, pretty much everything. Worst feature: upgrade the stereo on EX-L but keep the interface

    Here is one I hate on my exl v-6, Accord................

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,169
    edited March 30

    @suydam said: Honda Accord best feature: visibility, sure handling, backup camera. Actually, pretty much everything. Worst feature: upgrade the stereo on EX-L but keep the interface

    Move the parking brake out of the bottom center Console and onto the floor. I find this to be a very bad place for a barking brake handle.................... What was Honda Thinking? By the way speaking about the Accords terrible sound system. The radio is a Alpine, and the speakers are Fosters.. If you upgrade the speakers it will be a big improvement.

    By far one of the worst Radio, Speaker combo in any vehicle I have had and heard. Put this system in the basic model Civic.

    I had a 2003 Honda pilot and the sound system was alot better than what they have been putting in the Accords. Ford, mazda, Nissan and Kia 's radio's are much better than my Accords radio.

    My Bmw X-5 has a very good sound system with 16 speakers. My Genesis R-Spec has a Lexicon 17 speaker, 7.1 surround sound with a built in amp... by far this system is up there with the best sound systems you could get in a vehicle. Top dogs in this field that I have had are.... Bang & olufsen, Mark levinson, Bowers & Wilkins, Harmon kardon, Boston acostic's, and I like some Bose systems. I'd love to see one of these systems in the Accord.. Even the lower end Bose system would be such a big improvement.

    No vehicle is perfect or can please all around. In a perfect world buying a car should be like going into subway sandwich shop. Mix and matching

    Give me the BMW/ Audi - Suspension and handling

    MB/ Lexus........................Ride and Quite cabin

    Volkswagon/ chevy volt ... for gas mileage

    Oh yeah... if you can........ Throw in Honda's awesome Radio/ sound system...LOL

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784

    Maybe on a low-end car, that could be a problem. But mid-sized sedans come pretty well equipped these days, even in base form. So a little over $17k for a base Fusion or base Sonata is a great deal on a nice car, IMO. In the case of the Sonata, we're talking a car with nearly 200 hp, power windows/locks/mirrors, 6-speaker audio with XM radio, and 16" wheels. Not a penalty box by any means. Not the best in class, but in my experience a highly competent family sedan. The lease is even a better deal... $189/month for 3 years is close to the depreciation on the car!

    And in MN, the ads have to say whether there's just one or a few stock numbers at the advertised price. Sometimes I see ads like that. The ads I saw yesterday weren't like that.

    @cski said: I always worry about those teaser deals. I imagine there is 1 stock number at that price, and it includes 1 vent, canvas bench seats, AM radio, 1 roll down window and 13"steel wheels.

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,030

    I don't find the Accord sound that terrible, just not as good as the Altima's. The XM sounds great. I like the parking brake in the middle. And overall I really love the car. I have had it for a year now.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338
    edited March 30

    brian125: I remember installing aftermarket stereos in the mid-nineties Accords and it was really, really simple. Head unit was double din, and the speakers were all 6 1/2". I don't understand why many Asian cars now use rear door speakers instead of the rear deck. My car has them in the rear doors, and they unequivocally suck. There is a round area, but not cutout, where the OEM 8" sub would be if I had opted for the Infinity stereo. I have a 1 cubic foot Infinity powered sub that I added on, but with only 200w RMS it barely gets through to my ears. Since there are no cutouts for speakers in the deck, that space and bass reflex properties of the trunk are completely wasted.

    Is the stereo any good in the base Optima EX? Yes and no. Digital media sounds fine (MP3, CD, SAT). The FM stereo is dreadful. It sounds like AM.

    Backy: On the "teaser deals", I am sure there are some actual deals out there at the advertised price. I was just being silly, but there is truth in the silliness, and like you said, it depends on the car, and on whether the dealer can get away with bait and switch, which is illegal in VA.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456

    Please keep the emergency brake where it is. Foot parking brakes are worthless. They can't be modulated properly as they lock up as they are pressed and the only release all at once.

    One more area where control is taken away from the driver. No thank you!

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747

    When do you NEED to modulate the parking brake? You don't need to do that for parking and in an emergency you can just use full braking anyway. They weren't designed to help you drift around a turn or slide on ice.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,930

    I think he means in situations where you might be driving a manual trans car and have to start back up after stopping on an uphill.

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    @akirby said: When do you NEED to modulate the parking brake? You don't need to do that for parking and in an emergency you can just use full braking anyway. They weren't designed to help you drift around a turn or slide on ice.

    1) I haven't used my parking brake since I bought my (automatic) car.

    2) Sliding and drifting is fun. B)

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: I think he means in situations where you might be driving a manual trans car and have to start back up after stopping on an uphill.

    Exactly. I don't need it, but it is nice to have and my kids do occasionally need it. The Accord does have a hill holder clutch, but it only engages for a couple of seconds which may not be enough for a beginner. I still have a 14 year old that I need to keep from the dark side (by teaching him the jedi art of shifting for himself).

    And yes drifting is fun in the winter. I live on a narrow street and in the winter I can just spin right into my parking spot. :)

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 512
    edited March 31

    Short answer: The HANDbrake belongs at HAND :)

    The hill-holder feature is very cool, and I'm surprised at how much I've appreciated it. It's probably prolonging the life of the clutch as well. But yes, there are times that you want to use the hand brake for longer stops. Like, parked in neutral with the engine running.

    cski - It's best to use the e-brake even with an automatic. For one, it relieves some of the force being exerted on the gears/transmission. You know that feeling of putting it in park and then it slumping forward or backward a few inches? That ain't good for it. And it could make it hard to get back out of Park later. Also, if you rarely use it, and then decide you need it one day and the cable hasn't moved in a very long time, it could get stuck or broken. This is why on certain new luxury cars, the parking brake is electronic and can be set to automatically engage every time you go into Park. Lexus, and others presumably, know that it is best practice to use the parking brake when parking (engage it before letting your foot of the brake).

    @cski said: 2) Sliding and drifting is fun. B)

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338
    edited March 31

    ahightower: It is like out of sight, out of mind. My parking brake is on the floor, and until we started talking about it, I have not even thought about it, nor have I felt the lever with my foot. It is like it doesn't exist.

    About it being fun to slide: I have not had any fun sliding the Optima, but I sure did when I was younger. A lot younger. On cheaper cars, and when there were a lot less people to put in danger. Comment withdrawn.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    One more Survey:

    How much does it cost to ensure your midsize?

    2012 Kia Optima EX: $94 a month with one ticket counting against me. Liberty Mutual.

    Keep in mind I live in a congested area with a high rate of accidents.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,966

    @cski‌ I don't usually pay much attention the the insurance bill, just pay it. There are 6 cars with my name on them and we have homeowners bundled in. Actually, we have 2 policies since you can only have 4 cars on a policy. My Fusion is expensive, almost $120 a month, but we have a lot of coverage. I'm working getting one of the kids to get their own insurance. It looks like it will be cheaper if they get their own, for some reason. One thing I learned from them getting some quotes is that higher liability limits can be cheaper than basic limits!

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,338

    explorer4: You have a full plate with 6 vehicles to deal with! I had Progressive for 5 years, and I hated to have too switch but $34 a month savings was just too much to pass up, and Liberty Mutual had better coverage. I will also have teen drivers in the future! For now it is just my car and my old '96 Passat TDI that my niece drives at college. She has her own insurance.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

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