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Robr2 brings up a good point about turbos. And they are smaller, get better mileage and are higher performance than a six cylinder. A lot of us older geezers still don't trust those though.
The real question is who's shopping the 2013 Escape and who (knowinng the details) is going to upgrade to the engine trim that's designed, tuned and enhanced to be "sportier"?
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Two crossovers, two SUVs, two pickups and the Jeep Wrangler are among the vehicles deemed the most dangerous in America by the business blog 24/7 Wall Street. The website analyzed safety data compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, Consumer Reports, the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration and J.D. Power.
"The cars with the worst scores most commonly received poor grades in the rollover and rear-impact tests," writes Michael B. Sauter of 24/7 Wall Street. Those include the Ram 1500, Mazda CX-7 and CX-9, Chevrolet Colorado Crew Cab, Suzuki SX4, Nissan Pathfinder and Jeep Wrangler.
Regular unleaded gasoline with a pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87 is recommended. Some fuel stations offer fuels posted as regular with an octane rating below 87, particularly in high altitude areas. Fuels with octane levels below 87 are not recommended.
Note: Premium fuel will provide improved performance for vehicles with EcoBoost® engines and is recommended for severe duty use such as trailer tow.
I really think Ford is not banking on the "value" minded shopper and have decided to market to a different audience. That's just my opinion. It could turn out to be a huge success, but only time will tell. All things considered, it is a nice car in person.
As for price - I think there are so many things you get with this car that I have not seen on other platforms...and incentives will come. I do wish Ford would offer a longer warranty, however.
I have an issue with Ford advertising 178hp for the 1.6L and 240hp for the 2.0L when those number are only achieved using Premium and then go to say you can use Regular but you have to do a little digging to find out you get less power. I know we are only talking about a few ponies here, but it is still a dig at the consumer, if you ask me.
The Escape has available safety features that rival vehicles in the $50K price range. Also, I really enjoy Ford's convenience features, such as entry key pad and capless fuel filler (RE: On-Star vs keypad: if I locked my keys in the car, I probably left my cell phone inside, too). The Escape is not cheap, but it is an excellent value.
A Lexus RX350 is a mid-sized luxury SUV, the Escape is not. I can see the comparison to the RDX, but not the X3. Just because torque is comparable, it does not mean the vehicles are.
Regardless of your opinion, the Escape DOES compare to the CR-V and CX-5, amongst others in the class (Equinox, Terrain, Rogue, RAV4). While the 2.0L EcoBoost offers something the others do not, it comes at a substantially higher price tag and less fuel economy, something the majority of buyers are concerned about. I guess you do not fall in that category, which is OK and it seems that the 2.0L is right up your alley.
The 1.6L EcoBoost, which is Ford's volume offering, is also much more money then others in the class, which was my main argument. You are over $31,000 with no leather, no navigation. You can get lots of features for under $30K with others in this class which is more "value". That was my point.
By "value" minded, I think of "look at all you get for what you pay" vs the Escape that is "look at what you get but you need to pay a premium for it". Again, there is nothing wrong with that approach. I just am not sure the majority of buyers in this segment feel the same. But, who knows? Ford is taking a marketing approach that is vastly different from how the Escape has always been.
On pricing, prices have definitely changed over the past 6 months. When I priced the 2013 model on the beta site, a fully loaded car, with nav etc., was around $38k - well above a fully loaded 2012 (around $34k+), thought admittedly with more standard equipment. The now-announced prices are lower than the "test" prices, but still in the same range as a fully-loaded Terrain. The new Escape is of course also larger, so although it may still be compact, it seems Ford has moved to the upper edge of this segment.
Ford selling brand new Escapes for below invoice already would be making the auto news and I haven't seen anything.
Retail Column:
$30370.00 Titanium FWD
$995.00 Prkg. Tech Pkg
$825.00 Dest & Deliv
$32190.00 Total
Dealer Invoice Column:
$28321.00 Titanium FWD
$868.00 Prkg. Tech Pkg
$60.12 Fuel Charge
$470.00 Adv Assessment
$825.00 Dest & Deliv
$30544.12 Total
In any event, the Escape is really a nice CUV. They did a great job with almost everything, except price, IMO.
After driving one, I can see why people will buy one. I happened to purchase a CX-5 instead (E-Plan plus owner loyalty rebate).
Any way you slice it, now is a great time to be in the market for a compact CUV. The offerings have never been better.
They charge me $531 ADV ASSESSMENT AND $70.74 FUEL CHARGE to bring DELIVER INVOICE TO $34,216.74
MSRP $36,195 - $1,695 ( BEST FORD NASHUA NH DISCOUNT) = $34,500 - $500 FORD REBATE $34,000
Then charge me $499 for Documentary Preparation fee $34,499
Then I got from Ford website, Receive a vehicle brochure by mail
Your personalized brochure includes more information about your vehicle of choice plus current offers and incentives available to you.
a $750 PRIVATE CASH coupon. SAYS " You can use this $750 private cash offer in addition to any current publi offers" Take delivery from dealer stock by 7-07-2012.
So that bring my out the door total too $33,749 or $134 over invoice. Not too bad, just the $499 Doc. fee was too much :P
And congrats on the new Escape!
IS THE TURBO SAFE TO BUY AND WILL IT GIVE REAL FUEL EFFICIENCY IN THE REAL WORLD????
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There have been issues with a rear engine seal, starter and transmission and dealership has done whatever is necessary to fix those. I still feel the transmission is not optimal though.
Any ideas?
My local Ford dealer has a base "S" model with a SOLD sign hanging in it. It had all the options I would need and a sticker of $23,800.
The 2.5L Duratec I-4 engine is a proven performer and in the FWD model, would provide good performance and economy.
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name where you are seeing all this so called bad- so many issues
not talking about goofy web sites- facebook nuts or twitter nuts
state facts
tell us where we can find all the faults of this vehicle- documented
I sure haven't been able to find anything to back up your biased opinion
Same measurement on my 2008 Mariner Hybrid was 33 1/4".
http://www.torquenews.com/1081/ford-recalling-2013-escape-suvs-brake-concerns
how many Toyota's were recalled VS how many Fords