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Acura MDX (pre-2007)
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It certainly makes sense, since Mercedes-Benz has confirmed they will bring over the Bluetec clean turbodiesel engines to sell in all 50 states within the next 24 months; the Bluetec engines would likely end up on the M-series medium SUV, G-series large SUV and R-series large wagon. I think Honda will offer this new V-6 turbodiesel on the Acura MDX, Honda Pilot and Honda Ridgeline models within the next 18-24 months.
He must be an insider. :shades:
I believe it was from one of Honda CEO Takeo Fukui's speeches he made last year at a major auto show.
Jim
Chicago
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Jim K
The last news I read (more than a year old) had Honda looking to create a "diesel hub" in europe. Turkey had one of the sites of the new plant. Currently, they have a small plant in Japan cranking them out. I haven't read anything suggesting that they've finished building a new plant.
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Steve, Host
Edmunds says that the 2005 model has standard XM radio and bluetooth, but those don't really matter to me. What does interest me is the larger fuel tank and the enhanced stability control. Is the larger tank worth it and what was enhanced with the stability control? It also has an "enhanced" database for the navigation. Can't this be updated with new 2006 discs?
The 2004 has slightly more power, but that doesn't really matter since it's marginal. I haven't seen enough MDX's to distinguish the difference between the newly redsigned fascia vs the 2003 and older models. From the Edmunds pics, they look the same.
The 2003 model seems to have many major improvements over the 2002 and older models so I think this would be the oldest I'd consider.
Thanks for helping.
Here's the "what's new" press release for the 2004 MDX.
http://hondanews.com/CatID3027?mid=2003090335871&mime=asc&archives=t
Here's one for the 2005 model.
http://hondanews.com/CatID3027?mid=2004083154671&mime=asc&archives=t
It's quite a bit of reading (which is why Edmunds is much easier), but you can sort out the details by going through it.
http://world.honda.com/news/2006/c060517MidYearCEOSpeech/
Honda has confirmed they are working on I-4 and V-6 turbodiesel engines that meet the EPA Tier 2 Bin 5 and CARB 2007 diesel emission standards.
The V-6 engine is of particular interest for the MDX, since a 3.0 to 3.2-liter turbodiesel rated at 210 bhp but with a very high torque peak at low revs would be perfect this vehicle. This could force Mercedes-Benz to offer the ML320CDI and R320CDI with its BlueTec clean diesel engine technology to arrive as soon as possible to compete against the MDX.
When it does arrive in the states, it will probably debut in the Ridgeline.
From what I've heard about that V-6 turbodiesel, Honda is developing specifically for the US market because the power and torque peak of the V-6 turbodiesel is well-suited for the Honda Pilot, Honda Ridgeline, Honda Odyssey and Acura MDX models. The engine will likely be a 3.0-liter unit rated at 210 bhp (SAE 08/04 net) but with a really high torque peak.
With 30-35% better fuel efficiency compared to the V-6 engines now in the Honda vehicles I mentioned, that could extend the life of Honda's larger vehicle well past 2010, especially if the US sees a push for large-scale biodiesel fuel production.
However, the MDX probably will not see it. Not at first. Here in the US, diesel still has a bad reputation. And very few luxury car buyers are going to accept it.
Now, go someplace like Australia (where the MDX is sold as a Honda), and it's a different story. They have more respect for diesels and they also use their 4WD wagons for utility purposes. The extra torque would be welcome there because they actually tow and haul things other than baby strollers and ski boots.
Go to Europe and you'll find the V6 diesel powering the Honda Legend. That's another market with respect for diesel power.
But Honda is not going to develop a diesel engine (which could sell like hotcakes in other markets) and waste the few units they can produce trying to force feed it to Americans who don't want it. That's like selling hot wings in a daycare.
It will come to America, but only for those vehicles where there is demand. And right now, the only demand for diesels here is found in the big truck segment.
By applying what was learned from the i-CTDi engine, Honda's US-legal I-4 and V-6 turbodiesels will be quiet, smoke-free engines that offer 30-35% better fuel economy than its gasoline engine equivalent. That type of better fuel economy with the Odyssey minivan is very attractive to the "soccer mom" crowd, and that could really send the sales of the Odyssey zooming way upward.
This is a bit off topic, though
http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060528/BUSINESS01/605280315&Se- archID=73246045999096
Honda got a US patent for a new type of exhaust emission control that can remove the high level of NOx emissions from diesel engines without needing the complicated urea gas injection system found on DaimlerChrysler's BlueTec diesel emissions control system. Combine this with a modern diesel particulate trap that "burns off" the particulates Honda could achieve EPA Tier 2 Bin 5 and CARB emissions certification for their turbodiesels rather easily. :shades:
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2004 was the year that Acura made a number of enhancements to the basic design. The exhaust system and engine got a tweak. The styling got tweaked. They added side curtain airbags and a few other tidbits.
For more information about the various changes from year to year, try the following link. Pick a year... select the MDX... read up... Pick another year...
http://hondanews.com/CatID3047?html=acuranews-archives.html
Edmunds TMV numbers should provide some sense of what a used MDX should cost.
If not does anyone know the price of adding them??
Ray
I just wish the running boards had the same footsies on them as the rear bumper guard.
Everytime I take our truck on a family road trip, I cannot help but think about what a great vehicle it is. I know a lot of people have had issues, it may not be as refined as other luxury vehicles and I am sure I will have something significant break on it...however the utility, performance and function for long family road trips is simply superb.
I'm taking a jaunt up to NH next week and will have the rig loaded with the critter and the two greyhounds. It's not a long trip - only 400 miles round trip. Of course, we'll put some additional miles on it while we're up there.
With the dogs taking up most of the cargo area, I went with a hitch-mounted carrier instead of something mounted on the roof. I just use a larger Rubbermaid tote to protect things from the elements. I had a smaller one for my CR-V and it worked out very well.
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The truck was fully packed and we had a round trip average of 24 MPG.
Our 3 yr old loved the DVD player, we never opened a map with the use of our nav and except for sore bums, the trip was awesome.
I wish the seats were softer, but our '06 MDX has been great so far.
8,000 miles and counting (Quickly)!
Rear Heated Seats
RL style interior
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060825/FREE/60825004/1024"
I'm "in" for a test drive next year!!!
Of course, you might appreciate it if you find yourself installing and removing those seats on a regular basis.
However, there isn't much of it. This is where a minivan or a full-size SUV will beat an MDX.
You could put three kids in the second row, and just one in the third row. The third row splits so you could put some packages next to the child in the third row.
But it's still going to be tight, and not enough space for trips in the vehicle. You can add a roof-mounted cargo carrier, or a hitch-mounted one for such occasions.
Legroom? Same story. Do you prefer 'very cramped' or 'extremely cramped'? You're picking between the lesser of two evils. Though, while we're on that subject, I just took six adults and one critter to dinner last week. Much easier to find street parking for one vehicle than two. That third row does come in handy for occasional use.
I like William's suggestion regarding the use of an aftermarket carrier to add to the cargo capacity. However, be aware that external cargo boxes are going to decrease fuel economy - perhaps to the point where you're not doing much better than you were with the full-size SUV. So, be aware that those options are perhaps not the best solutions for full-time use.
You may find it very close in cost to operate, especially if it is a minivan. All will fit nice and comfortable while getting good gas mileage.
JMHO