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  • Keep talking; you'll be down to $18,599 soon.

    Any discount for the deer guts on the front custom grille?

    Can't you just smell that new BMW in your garage?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Why do you believe "part-time" AWD is inferior to "full-time" AWD?

    I can't think of too many hazards or conditions where permanent AWD would be superior to viscous fluid activated AWD.

    In fact, doesn't permanent AWD require more maintenance? Isn't permanent AWD subject to more failures because of the heat/friction and constant use of the system, even when not needed (dry pavement)?

    In my opinion, for 90% of folks out there...and 99% of "crossover SUV" owners, a viscous fluid activated AWD setup is more desireable and more appropriate for the mud/rain/slush/snow conditions that are most likely to be encountered.

    Unfortunately, if you need more off-road (rock-hopping) capability than the RX300 offers, the ML320 and/or X5 are not going to give it to you. Check out Land Rover or a "Big 3" product with a low range transfer case and locking differential.
  • Jon90Jon90 Posts: 33
    i think there are some in here that should think again about bashing the competition. BMW does make a good vehicle. So does mercedes. The people mentioning consumer reports - what year are you looking at, 1998 perhaps? The 2002 Mercedes had over 1,100 part changes and Yahoo ConsumerGuide has Build Quality as one of the Pros, while it has removed the RX300 from the Best Pick list to Recommended. I ended up ordering an ML because 1) i didnt fit in the RX, not enough headroom and 2) i wanted the V8 power and pickup. I also have a GS300 and i do feel that Lexus is second to NOONE in service and reliability. I think some of the above issues will change in the next RX, and i will look at more closely next time, although they had an SC430 on the floor i sat in...OH BOY!!!

    Anyhow, i do think Mercedes has improved their vehicle alot. Perfect by any means no, but owners of 01 and 02 seem to be very happy. BMW i cant speak for, i just know that i fit less in that then the RX, way too small IMHO
  • I'm looking at the 2002 Buying Guide, sent to subscribers about a week ago.

    Page 203, owner ratings on M-class:

    Year 1998 - no check mark for top reliability
    Year 1999 - no check mark for top reliability
    Year 2000 - no check mark for top reliability

    Page 200, owner ratings on RX-300:

    Year 1999 - check mark for top reliability
    Year 2000 - check mark for top reliability

    BMW SUVs - no ratings, either too new or not large enough base of owners - or both

    And I never said BMW doesn't build a good vehicle - I said there was no room in the storage area, even when compared to a RX which doesn't have that much either.

    As for stopping the bashing - sorry, it's a primary reason there's so many posts on TH so if it bothers you, go elsewhere.

    But you could just buy Willard's RX and then I WILL stop bashing. Promise.
  • jiaminjiamin Posts: 556
    Don't have any experience on MB, but saw one ML dead in a center lane just in front of the trafic light waiting for towing or such. Yes that was like 2 years ago with older version. Another 2000 E320 sedan's auto tranny quit working in about a year, one of my close friend's car.
    If I need more head room and/or V8 power I would think about LX470 first. I had that in my mind for a few minutes just before I decided on my 2000 RX. Was a little too big and too expensive to me.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I could handle a torque split of 95/5 rear to front with the ability to put snow chains on the rear (or both) but 95/5 front to rear just makes it a front wheel drive, plain and simple.

    Lexus' owners manual says use chains on the front only, NEVER use chains on the rear due to mechanical interference.

    When I pointed out to them that the use of chains only on the front created a pretty hazardous driving circumstance they agreed.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I have no idea what you mean by "permanent" AWD, but, here is the way I think of it.

    Full-time AWD: must have some type of method to prevent driveline windup during operations when all four wheels have good solid traction. A viscous clutch somewhere in the driveline between the front and rear is just one of the ways, possibly the cheapest but certainly one of the simplest from the operator's point of view.

    Part-time AWD: Cannot be operated for long periods on high traction surfaces without damage to the driveline and/or your knuckles.
  • mvs1mvs1 Posts: 462
    Front most slot would be the ash tray, but I wouldn't smoke in the RX since it could cause the windows to fog unnessasarily.
  • gsenthilgsenthil Posts: 154
    are all fine vehicles. You cant go wrong buying either of them. All of them have good safety ratings. God didnt make us on an assembly line, so we all have different opinions & perspectives. Personally, I dont like the styling of the ML or the new SC. But thats MY opinion. If there was one single BEST car, we all would be driving the same car!

    In some car magazine, I read about this guy who won "Who Wants to Be A Millionaire" and has about a million dollars in prize money. Imagine, he could buy any vehicle he wanted in the market. If I were him, I would have bought a SL500 or S55. Guess what he bought?

    A minivan! Dont remember which make/model. Seems he travels a lot with his buddies/teammates on various quiz competetions and so an minivan was the ideal car for him. He is not even married/has kids (the general minican stereotype).

    I rest my case.

    Senthil
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The best dialog/dissertation on this 4Wd/AWD subject I have found on the internet is at:

    http://www.difflock.com/offroad/4x4explained.shtml

    Don't let the title fool you, it does apply.

    But for a quick read or anyone with a short attention span:

    http://www.difflock.com/offroad/difflocks.shtml

    Start at the tenth paragraph down:

    "The VC's rotational sensing characteristic..."

    "The easiest hack...."

    THE EASIEST HACK? HACK? LEXUS?
  • gsenthilgsenthil Posts: 154
    are all fine vehicles. You cant go wrong buying either of them. All of them have good safety ratings. God didnt make us on an assembly line, so we all have different opinions & perspectives. Personally, I dont like the styling of the ML or the new SC. But thats MY opinion. If there was one single BEST car, we all would be driving the same car!

    In some car magazine, I read about this guy who won "Who Wants to Be A Millionaire" and has about a million dollars in prize money. Imagine, he could buy any vehicle he wanted in the market. If I were him, I would have bought a SL500 or S55. Guess what he bought?

    A minivan! Dont remember which make/model. Seems he travels a lot with his buddies/teammates on various quiz competetions and so an minivan was the ideal car for him. He is not even married/has kids (the general minican stereotype).

    I rest my case.

    Senthil
  • Jon90Jon90 Posts: 33
    I can bet you that was due to bad fuel pump, 98/99 had horrible fuel pumps.

    Jeffmust, as i expected, you are using data that is over 2 years old...now. i dont have a problem with that, but to be fair, in a public forum, it is my opinion that you should state that fact. (sorry for the run-on)

    If people are concerned about the storage area....I can post the real test. One of the mags used 12/pk cases of beer to test all the SUV's in this class. Was kinda interesting. I will look for the data
  • Surveys like CUs don't predict the present or the future.

    It's kinda impossible to do one based on brand new (2002) vehicles; there aren't enough of them sold yet. The surveys done on 2001 models, because of magazine lead times, will be published within a few months from now.

    CU magazine takes surveys of actual car owners once a year. I know this because I receive their auto survey like the other hundreds of thousands of their subscribers.

    The 2001 model owners will get to vote with their surveys in time for CU's annual auto issue that comes out every April. You can check that issue and see if the M-Series has improved; by some accounts it has but there's nothing like a few thousand owners comparing notes to really tell what's going on. (Gosh, where's ex-host Drew when we need him?)

    The '98-99-00 M-Series owners have filled-out the CU survey and voted - it clearly did not reach the top tier of reliability for those 3 model years. As stated, the results for the '01 model year will be out in April.

    Are there other reliable, non-biased, non-commercial surveys of thousands of M-Series owners that you would like to cite? And please don't bother with anything from JD Powers.

    In sum:
    2002 results not available.
    2001 results in late March-early April '02.
    98-99-00 results available now.
  • gsenthilgsenthil Posts: 154
    are all fine vehicles. You cant go wrong buying either of them. All of them have good safety ratings. God didnt make us on an assembly line, so we all have different opinions & perspectives. Personally, I dont like the styling of the ML or the new SC. But thats MY opinion. If there was one single BEST car, we all would be driving the same car!

    In some car magazine, I read about this guy who won "Who Wants to Be A Millionaire" and has about a million dollars in prize money. Imagine, he could buy any vehicle he wanted in the market. If I were him, I would have bought a SL500 or S55. Guess what he bought?

    A minivan! Dont remember which make/model. Seems he travels a lot with his buddies/teammates on various quiz competetions and so an minivan was the ideal car for him. He is not even married/has kids (the general minican stereotype).

    I rest my case.

    Senthil
  • Thanks for "resting your case" in post #3710.

    That was the same case, word for word, that you rested in post #3705 and #3707.

    Give it a rest already.
  • mvs1mvs1 Posts: 462
    No wonder you couldn't find the ash tray
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Willard, please excuse my ambiguity. When I said "permanent AWD", I was referring to an AWD system that always sends some percentage of torque to all four wheels (Audi Quattro, Subaru, etc.) as opposed to a "part-time AWD" system that is predominantly FWD, but automatically sends torque to the rear wheels when wheelspin is detected (RX300, Hyundai Santa Fe).

    I'm not sharpshooting you...in fact, you have made some valid points in the past that some other RX300 owners have appreciated. I have read your comments regarding how you feel you were mislead regarding the function and capabilities of the RX300 AWD system and I am simply curious to know why you feel the way you do.

    As the owner of an AWD Buick Rendezvous, and an inhabitant of Seattle, I'm interested in your experiences with AWD and your thoughts on why an ML320 or X5 will handle winter rain/ice/mud/snow better than your RX300 or my Buick.

    What is it about front-wheel biased all-wheel-drive systems that you have a problem with?

    If there is a benefit to always having some torque applied to all four wheels, even on dry pavement, I just don't see it.
  • Jon90Jon90 Posts: 33
    Oh boy, you asked a tricky question here Jeff...

    First of all i know all about the surveys...they ARE based on older models, thats why i feel we cant tell people that the CURRENT model is bad, thats all. You cant say they ARENT reliable, only that past ones havent been!

    But back to the hot issue....Drew and edmunds had a falling out. I checked the ML thread daily, it averaged probably 20-30 posts a day. It now MAY get one a day. Drew was "let go" even though he was the best thing they had on that board. What is weirder is that i would bet at least 100 (no kidding) posts were deleted/censored because they talked about the "issue" and that wasnt allowed as it wasnt "pertinent" Drew has moved on, but another edmunds rule is if you mention any other web site, your post gets deleted too. i have no CLUE why, having referral info like that can only help edmunds become the primary site for many. Anyhow, drew is at an ML site and posts all day long, most everyone followed him there. He is sorely missed here.
  • i've had my 01 rx300 for about 6 months now. just took it in for its 5K service (btw - what fantastic customer focus Lexus has!) - and i leveraged the loaner benefit, and asked for a IS300. no doubt its fast - but I guess I'm spoiled after my RX. Here's why I ached for my car:

    - IS felt small, cramped, thin-sheeted
    - instrument console seems tiny, ridiculous almost
    - hated the red display, love my luminescent RX300 display
    - horrible manual seats
    - very very low riding elevation, felt dwarfed by even honda accords

    In general - I got the feeling of being in a Lux car in the RX and defintely not in the IS. SHows that adding a few gizmos here and there cannot create an overall Lexus experience.

    My 2 cents. Take this post as the expression of a proud RX300 owner
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    another edmunds rule is if you mention any other web site, your post gets deleted too. i have no CLUE why.

    I don't think so, Jon! Posts that promote other sites with chat rooms/message boards are not allowed by Edmund's Terms of Use as well as posts that are soliciting business for personal gain by the poster.

    Otherwise, posts that are informative and useful to members and that happen mention other sites in that spirit are just fine. I think these rules are reasonable and are pretty much the standard used by all automotive sites.

    A casual glance at posts across the boards will show many references to other web sites - and the postings are quite intact.

    I hope that helps!

    tidester
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  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Fedlawman:

    Really? FBI?

    Being mislead about RX300. Directly no, but I have been a reasonably loyal fan of Lexus since purchasing my first one, a 92 LS400, in late 91. When I bought my first RX, a 2000, my salesman (of 10 years) told me the torque split was 70/30 front/rear and grew to 50/50 as needed.

    I just would not have believed Lexus would have passed something like this onto their customers, the Toyota Highlander version, yes, that I can understand,

    I can't tell you just what it was about driving, the feel of, that first RX that made me feel as if something wasn't quite right. Maybe it was becuase I had put many miles on two Jeeps, both with full-time (viscous clutch) and part-time, modes.

    Anyway I traded up to the 2001 with VSC and Trac mostly to get the HID, before the 2000 RX was put to any real time testing. But I also truly felt that the trac would likely somewhat compensate for the lack of the all wheel drive "feel" I thought I was missing.
  • Jon90Jon90 Posts: 33
    It is a fact that posts mentioning the site where Drew went were deleted/censored. According to your statement it is because they offer a message board function. How can that hurt edmunds? I suggest you revisit that policy....kinda like a mall, having all the stores there helps them all do better!! I just feel it is silly to have everyone "email me and i will tell you where he went" but thats what you promote...
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    My 2001 RX300 AWD has about 10K miles.

    Last week I happened to notice that the high beam lamps/bulbs seemed to be cloudy, a smoky grey film on the interior of the glass. So I bought replacement bulbs yesterday.

    On removing the OEM bulbs I confirmed the interior of the bulb's glass enclosure is heavily covered with what appears to be soot, most likely from the bulbs operation at the low DRL voltage. In addition, there was a definite "bubble" in the glass immediately above the filament, likely due to heat buildup that the glass was not designed to withstand.

    I went ahead and replaced the bulbs but at the same time I disconnected the DRL resistor under the battery on the chance that was the source of the "sooting" problem.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Yes really...no, not FBI.

    I contend that the RX300 AWD system is among the best on the road (w/TRAC and VSC) and it is all you'll ever need.

    Front-wheel bias only helps to improve durability and fuel efficiency. When conditions warrant, torque is then applied to the rear (left, right, or both).

    Just like my Buick, it is very intelligent and very effective...just try a full throttle launch front a stoplight uphill in the rain. It works!

    Why waste torque to the rear wheels when you don't need it most of the time?
  • mvinemvine Posts: 5
    Just wanted to take a survey of what the groups preference is on the RX spoiler. Since most of the 2002's are coming from the factory w/o, I have to decide if I should add it to my 2002 Blue Vapor NAV or not. Should be about $400 incl. installation.

    Thanks for your comments.
  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    ...without all the old issues coming back up.


    Jeff, as you might very well know, our distinguished "Mister W" will never let go as long as he senses new victims logging on. Him selling his current transportation and moving to the ML-board could allow him to be the new line leader, heh. BTW, Drew (and MANY other regulars from the ML discussions) moved here. I have to agree with Jon90, certain policies hinder open discussion.

    I can't remember who was afraid, but auto-lock will not engage if kids grab the keys and hop in the car, nor will it lock in your groceries - the trick is to have had any door opened once after unlocking.

    Soon to be deleted, too Tarik

  • sybelesybele Posts: 42
    Is it possible to increase the acceleration power of the RX?. Any aftermarket parts?
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Posts: 198
    NO hope for the snail on wheels.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    ...without all the old issues coming back up.

    Yes, it does get stale. Someone who goes in for a new car every two years can certainly appreciate how utterly boring it would be if we all agreed on everything! Let's get past ancient history and enjoy ourselves - lots of really great folks here!

    tidester
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  • mvine: If you have the cash, I'd go for it; the spoiler looks great! Take a look at the 2001 or 2002 Lexus RX brochure and check out the Vapor Blue RX at the top of the snow-covered hill with it...awesome! Very sleek and sporty, definitely gives the rear some flair. And it (don't quote me on this) aids in keeping the back window clean. As a fellow Vapor Blue RX'er, I went in about a week after getting my RX to check on the spoiler prices. Can't remember exactly, but seemed like around $200-$220 w/o installation. I'd do it if I weren't leasing...thought about asking for the spoiler as an X-mas gift.

    Sardead, I'm with you on the service. Even though I went in just for my 1,000 MI checkup. I dropped the car off a bit earlier than my scheduled time, fiddling around in my RX for the maintenance schedule book, looked up and saw a service person looking at me, smiling. Brought me into his office and in 5 minutes, had a cup o' coffee and out the door (work across the street, so no need for a loaner). Got a call and my mini-service was done BEFORE the scheduled appointment. Went to pick it up later, right up front, washed outside, vacuumed inside! I never got this at N!SS@N.

    But now I got a infinitesimal scratch (!) on the front bumper. I misjudged the distance in my garage and the hinge of the door grazed my front bumper while coming down. I'm heartbroken! Anyway, my salesperson at Lexus of Southfield, MI told me to bring it in on Thursday and he'll have a guy fix it. I'm crossing my fingers.

    Have a good day all!
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