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Isuzu Trooper

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Isuzu did use a lot of GM parts in the pre 95.5 3.2 engines. But they weren't designed or built by GM. In my '97 rodeo I had a GM radiator, and delphi electronics are in the '97 and my '00 Trooper. The engine itself is Designed and Built by Isuzu, tranny is GM built in France.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Is kinda like Mitsubishi, everyone uses them in their vehicles.

    -mike
  • I still think it's designed by GM, but I can't find any proof. I just remember (don't ask me from where/when/how/why) that the 3.2 was designed by GM but completely manufactured and tested by Isuzu. GM has had a really long running relationship with Isuzu. Oh well, maybe I'll stumble across the facts one day :) check out this site for some isuzu history

    http://www.isuzuperformance.com/isupage/hist/timeline.html
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yep they do have a long history, I can go with that one. So long as it is built by Isuzu I'm happy. US Automakers make great inovations in products, their execution is the problem.

    -mike
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,252
    The Pathfinder folks do a lot of this without double-taxation and seem to have a system working. The big issue seems to be whether corporate honors the warranty across the border (Honda USA, for example, doesn't). I don't know what Isuzu's position is.

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  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    Maybe you are thinking of the old V6 that Isuzu use to put in Troopers, the 2.8L. That is definitely a GM engine. I don't think the 3.2L is/was anything but slightly GM, due to GM majority ownership of Isuzu.

    Heck, Isuzu designs engines all the time for their commercial trucks, they don't need anybodies help.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Duramax Diesel Engines are all Isuzu! :)

    -mike
  • but that's Isuzu diesel, I don't know how proficient Isuzu is with gasoline. While the differences may seem to be minor, they are fairly different from many aspects.
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    That sound almost illegal. I hae seen post on Maxima boards about the subjest. If this is true then I will get two. One for the weekend and one for my wife. She loves the look. If there is anybody with further info on Isuzus from Canada I would kill to hear more. Thanx
  • flyinlowflyinlow Posts: 62
    I looked at the GM powertrain site a while back and got confused about the engine, too. It appeared that the Trooper engine might be the same as the 3.5l Oldsmobile engine--I about gagged! They have the same HP and torque ratings. But it turns out the GM engine is undersquare while our Troops are oversquare, so it's definitely NOT the same engine. I think GM had little to do with the Isuzu engine.
  • The engine in the Trooper is not a General Motors engine. It was never in any other vehicle other than Isuzu's. I recall from way back when (even before the 3.5) that the 3.2L was designed by GM for Isuzu usage. I know it was built by Isuzu and tested by Isuzu, but I do not know if Isuzu designed it. I don't know if this is correct or not, it's just what I recall from many years back and it is really hard to find any info one way or another since the internet has a way of hiding older information. Any way’s...on to the next topic.
  • ramblinonramblinon Posts: 80
    I just don't think GM designed or built this engine. It is ment to go the long haul and back. The tranny is built in France and used in several vehicles. Man, what a strong piece of equipment the tranny is. GM I think is the owner of the tranny?

    I also hope that in the forthcoming Trooper replacement there is a non gas version along with the TOD. Imagine that combo. Dare I think of a Isuzu Trooper Wannabee Limited with a diesel engine, TOD, roof rack and a moon roof the size of Cleveland?.

    I just plain love my Trooper. I just hope Isuzu/GM doesn't mess around too much with a good thing.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    ramblinon, I think it's too late to hope GM doesn't mess with a good thing (the Trooper). The Trooper replacement, the Ascender, is based on the long-wheelbase version of the Trailblazer/Envoy. It seems very unlikely to me that GM would put significantly different major components (4WD system, engine, etc.) in the Isuzu badged version. There would be no justification for the significant cost increase. Pleasing the few thousand (?) true newer Trooper enthusiasts in the USA is not enough reason.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You are being generous with the thousand # there :) I'd put it in the 100s probably. The Ascendor may get a diesel option. 4.0l Duramaxs and 5.0l duramaxs are due out for MY04.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    March 17 Pine Barrens Monthly Trail Ride


    Info on a gently off-road experience in the Pine Barrens of Central/Southern NJ. Come on out for a day of adventure, fun, and comradre with fellow SUV/Off-road/Rally/Car Nuts! Info at http://isuzu-suvs.com/events


    -mike

  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    funny, I had "hundreds" and decided that was probably a bit low so I changed to "thousands."
  • I think most owners are enthusiasts, but then again that's just me :)
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    I don't know about most, but I think the percentages are definitely much higher with Troopers than with most other vehicles on the road. There are certain other vehicles about which you could make the same claim.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    I remember driving my 1984 Trooper to the 1991 Detroit Auto Show. There, Isuzu was displaying the prototype for the 1992 Trooper. Next to it was an engine cutaway to view the way it was deigned. Isuzu proudly claimed responsibility for the design and described it as better than any other engine available. Among the standard features is the engine oil water cooler. That day I studied the Engine and the 1992 Trooper prototype and knew that one of those fine driving machines was in my future. It took till 1995 to meet my minimum requirement of 10 years and 200K miles on my 1984 Trooper so I could consider it used. That's when I bought my new 1995 Trooper. It is the first vehicle I ever owned with power windows and power locks and air conditioning. Now my 1995 Trooper is still new (only 120K or so) so I can't trade up to a 2002 model before they stop making them. I hope to get a diesel/hybrid Trooper replacement in 2005/2006. By then I think some will be available. When diesels once agian become popular (I think they will be the prefered SUV hybrid power) Isuzu will grow a lot in popularity. Besides, from a 1995 Trooper to a 2002 Trooper there is not enough diference to justify 20K to make the switch. I think of it as being paid 20K to keep driving my 1995 Trooper. Maybe Troopers don't sell well because they last too long and the people that like them already have one.
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    I have heard that the 4L and 5L Isuzu diesels built in the Duramax factory may also power Toyota SUVs someday.
    ..
    I have heard Isuzu may be working on a hybrid / diesel SUV similar in size to the Trooper.
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    I still hold out hope that in a few years Isuzu will bring back a model called the Trooper. Maybe it will be considered a "retro" car like the VW bug.
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    I think the 2003 Trooper was sold to GM to become the Trailbalzer / Envoy / Bravada in mid design. GM influenced it to finish development to look like a GM product. Notice that Isuzu will introduce a new mid size pickup truck and it is based on the same platform as the GM Trailblazer / Envoy / Bravada. It will be an Isuzu rebadged as a GM. That is more evedence that Isuzu designs were taken over.
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    Isuzu does not have a model larger than the Ascender. Maybe that will be a huge new thing called Trooper. Maybe it will have the interior space larger than the competition while having better handling and off road ability and longevity like the Trooper. It would fill the nitch lost when GM dicontinues the Astro/Safari in terms of carrying capacity and towing capacity. Ford Aerostar was the only other competiton for that nitch. The Astro/Safari also has a following like the Trooper. Did you know they once built the Astro with a stick shift? Part of the definition of this nitch is to fit in a garage that won't hold a Suburban and tow 5000# and have a huge interior capacity. Now do all that powered by a straight 5 cylinder 4L Isuzu diesel with hybrid technology on the torque converter so it can shut off in stop and go traffic and the batteries could be ballast to keep the center of gravity low and there could be 120VAC/22VAC power outlets for providing electrcal power on the trail and emergency power for the house and Isuzu will have a huge following of fleets that need the power and space and families that need to carry people and tow a camper on on on .....
    I'll stop now.
    boxtrooper
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    as we know it will not be in business in 5 years. Sorry to say, but basically Isuzu will be either completely out of the SUV buisness or they will be rebadge GM models. GM will use Isuzu to design their SUVs, but unfortunately they will be built by GM which means that reliability and fit-finish will be questionable at best. Isuzu will also further develop Diesel technology and be a major player in the Mid-sized Truck end of business.

    No retro Trooper

    It's a sad day but what can you do...

    -mike
  • mkayemkaye Posts: 184
    I was recently looking at the Envoy, and I really didn't like it all that much personally. But the sales guy was adamant that the aluminum inline-6 used in the GM triplets was designed by Isuzu. I'll see if I can find more information about that. Although some concern over the initial build-quality, the power of that engine is one of the key selling points for the GM triplets (Envoy, Trailblazer, Bravada). Looking at the GM website I see the term "global resources" that could indicate Isuzu involvement.
    Ron Kociba, Chief Engineer, Truck In-line Engines, GM Powertrain. "By using our global resources, our team set out to build an engine that would demonstrate its outstanding capabilities in extreme conditions and the results have been outstanding."
  • mkayemkaye Posts: 184
    I also saw for 2002 that there is a "rear spoiler" option for US Troopers. Since I couldn't find a reference to it in the US site or in brochures, I saw this pic in the Japan Isuzu site and thought I'd include it.

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  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Posts: 843
    The straight six in the Trailblazer is a relative of the straight 4 that is used in Opels in Europe and in the larger Saturn cars. I would like to think that Isuzu had something to do with that design, but I doubt it.
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    They tricked out that straight six for racing and got it up to 650 Hp...
    I heard that the Isuzu Ascender will be powered by a V8. I wonder if it will be a GM V8 or an Isuzu V8. Nice if it is a V8 version of that same straight six in the Trailblazer, that would make it a very powerful V8. V6 * 1.333 = V8 so 275Hp * 1.333 = 367 Hp.
  • ramblinonramblinon Posts: 80
    described in several reports is interesting. I just about spilled beer all over my face when I pulled up the Edmunds Mercedes Benz New Car page and looked at the Mercedes Benz G Class Lux SUV.
    At $75,000 it has just about everything including looking like a close relative of the Trooper. It is truly a Box. I also bet it will go darn near anywhere a human would dear to tread.

    Edmunds does say it may appear as outdated to some. It is a brand new MB Model. Some people do care about true SUVism and the form follows function is evident to me. Damn I love it. Now where do I get the $75,000.

    I strongly believe if people had just sat in a Trooper let alone actually drove it we would not have been in the position. I cancelled my subscription to Consumer Reports just prior to buying my 2001 Trooper Limited.

    I just plain love this truck.
  • marty2marty2 Posts: 11
    I have a 00 trooper s with 13500 miles,use this suv to carry plumbing tools and fittings. Lately when I start out from a red light there is a thud sound, ether from the drivetrain or the front end. It dosen't to it when I have the dealer with me (demonstrated in the auto lot).Has any one had this problem??Thanks in advance Marty
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    It will not have a V8, unless the EXT versions of the Envoy and trailblazer get it. If they do it will be the 4.6l V8 engine used in the Yukon, nothing bigger would fit in the engine compartment. It will not be an Isuzu engine.

    -mike
  • kjmcgirlkjmcgirl Posts: 12
    Hi all,

    I'm beginning the process of looking for a roof rack for the trooper and want to use the existing predrilled holes I've read about. (I have a 2001 S)

    Is there any trick to getting the roof trim piece off without breaking the plastic brackets holding it on? I'd rather hear from someone who has done this before I accidentally start breaking any plastic tabs. Thanks I'll post pictures as this project continues.

    -Kevin
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Posts: 640
    yeah, go to a carwash, any kind, and they'll come right off, mine do. :) seriously, though, they do, and, that being the case, my plastic fasteners/snaps/brackets have never broken, I just pop them back in place. Give one end a good tug, and I'll bet (no guarantees) that you'll have no problems.

    Jim
  • jeff177jeff177 Posts: 3
    Have a 98 Trooper that I believe needs new shocks (bangs when I go over rail road tracks, etc.) I tow a camper that weighs about 2500 lbs., 200 lb. tongue weight. Any recommendations?
    Thanks to all.
  • kjmcgirlkjmcgirl Posts: 12
    Thanks Jim,

    Thats what I thought, but I just wanted to hear from someone who has been there. If all else fails I'll try the car wash approach :)

    -Kevin
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