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Isuzu Rodeo

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Tony, sorry I haven't gotten back to you, just been busy as all get-up. Not sure how your time frame is but I may be freed up a bit and maybe I and some other Isuzu owners in the area can help you out.

    I'm thinking it's the plugs, or the ECU at this point.

    -mike
  • I have a '93 Rodeo 4x4 5 speed w/ 165k miles(original owner) and until the voltage gage hits 12 no power is given to climate control and the idiot lights on the dash light. It usually takes 1/4 mile driving to hit 12 volts. I have replaced the battery recently. What might be causing this? Btw this has been an excellent vehicle, much better than my '97 Integra.

    I am buying a '03 Rodeo 4x4 5 speed. Btw I am flying to 700 miles to pick it up, because the 5 speeds are so rare. What are the main things I should watch for?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Alternator. Classic sympotoms for Isuzu alternator being bad.

    -mike
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    mlinhardt- I know what you mean about 2003 4x4 5spds being rare. My local dealership was issued 2 for the 2003 model year (Buffalo NY) & my sisterinlaw bought one of them in June! Last I checked, they still had the other (a silver one). Main thing to look for is price. You should be able to pick it up for $19K even. Automatics are going for $19999. It's a great truck. I've had my 2002 for 1.5yrs w/out a single problem. G/luck!
    Joel
  • I have a 94 Honda Passport 4x4 LX Auto with 85k miles. When the car starts, I can hear the valve lifters and when it runs, the lifters are noticeable. Is this common for the passport? My friend said 1999 Passport also have a loud noise. Is it time for an expensive repair? or rebuild? Thanks
  • Hey Paisan..I'm heading out now to get some new plugs and carb cleaner as suggested. I believe I had champs in previously but I'll see what the book recommends..I'll let ya know how I make out.
  • Well, I sold my 2001 Rodeo. Put it the paper and sold it the same day. I wound up buying a '99 Chrysler Town and Country to replace it. I have never been a fan of Chrysler but, like Isuzu, they are cheap to buy used. It just got too hard for my wife to cram our 3 children in the back of our Rodeo. I thought about the getting a 3rd row littleseat but they aren't safe in a rear crash. Anyway, I still have my Amigo but am a little sad to see the Rodeo go. Maybe the power/heated leather seats in the T&C will ease my pain... Oh well, at least I didn't buy an Assender.
  • In 1993 we were looking for a SUV. We looked at Pathfinder, Explorer, Bravada, 4Runner, Cherokee, and Rodeo. Based on features and price the Rodeo was less expensive and had more power.

    Flash forward 10 years, Isuzu is making a slow exit to the American market.

    What did Isuzu do wrong?

    Did they miss the SMV craze? I know offroad is their base, but Beta was also superior to VHS.

    Did they outprice the Rodeo? $31K+ for the 2002

    Did they switch classes? I have seem more comparisons between the Rodeo and the RAV-4. I always thought the Rodeo was in the same class as the vehicles I looked at in 1993.

    Is the dealership network the problem? My sister in Seattle liked my Rodeo, but the nearest dealer was 45 minutes away while the Honda(CR-V) was 10 minutes.

    Did GM do it or just accelerate the decline?
  • CR and Edmunds both trash Isuzu. CU decided to ruin the Trooper and Edmunds goes out of its way to trash Isuzu at every turn. A good SUV, according to CU has a unibody frame for a smooth ride. I suspect if Isuzu bought advertisement space, the bad reviews might get better. Oh well, how long will it take for this post to get deleted?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,764
    Longer than twenty minutes apparently :-)

    Plus the one Edmunds owned a few years back probably left a few sour grapes around the office: Long-Term Road Test

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  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    It's unfortunate Edmunds got such a lemon for a tester. I've been following various isuzu boards/forums for several years now, and I've NEVER seen such issues with a 1998+ rodeo. I've seen ZERO reports of water pump/ cooling system issues & have not seen those electrical issues either. They are definitely not flawless trucks- but they are far better than the test unit Edmunds had. American Isuzu has over priced their SUV's for too long, and only began to get smart about this in 2002, by discounting all models by $5000-8000 off of MSRP. 2003 models finally have a sticker that wont shock you off the lot. As they are priced now- you are not going to get more truck for your dollar. I've owned isuzu products in the past, and currently have three in the family: 2002 rodeo, 2003 rodeo & 2002 trooper. Any problems I've ever had were my fault, or due to normal truck wear/tear. I can't say that for any GM,Ford,DC vehicles I've owned!
    G/luck
    Joel
  • you knew about the big rebates and discounts. However, if you just walked on a lot and started looking, the sticker was shocking. I'm sure that drove a lot of people away that didn't know they were discounted so much. Plus, the Rodeo only had one redesign in 13 years and it was a modest one at that. The Edmunds Isuzu vehicle was a mess, I have to admit... I would be mad if my vehicle broke down that much...
  • Well I'm now leaning toward a stuck exhaust valve on my 2000 Rodeo. Any one else have this problem?

    After replacing the ION mod and the egr valve(possibly unnecessarily)it appears to possibly be a stuck valve. It starts, and Idles fine with no misfires present. The timing is in synch and it only starts losing pressure seemingly when I press the gas. It's not choppy or rough which may lead me to plugs or timing but I still have no power above 2500rpm. When I remove the EGR valve and cover the port holes, there is a tremendous amount of exhaust air blowing out the ports. Is this normal? I'm thinking there may be a stuck valve which is forcing all the air out this exit and may be keeping the egr valve in the OPEN position causing it to not have the power. Acceleration should have the valve in the closed position correct ? Any ideas or what may be a good product to release a stuck valve. My lease is due back in 8 days and I certainly do not want to pull the motor apart to do valve work. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

    Tony
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    No doubt about it, MSRP's were really shocking up to 2003. Plus isuzu didnt really advertise the huge factory to dealer rebates for 2002 either (isnt that surprising!) You pretty much had to talk to a sales person to find out about that. Most people peeked at the sticker & bailed out! As far as the redesign of the rodeos goes, yes, The 1991-1997 rodeo kept the same look, with some minor interior changes & major powertrain changes here & there, but- 1998+ is a completely different animal from head to toe. 6-7yrs with pretty much the same "look" isnt all that unusual.
    Joel
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    Tony- typically EGR only comes into play on acceleration. No EGR on start-up or idle. Sounds like you've replaced a lot of stuff at this point. You'd have to compression test each cylinder to determine if you had a stuck valve or not. I highly doubt it. What OBDII codes are you getting??
    Joel
  • Well I'm now leaning toward a stuck exhaust valve on my 2000 Rodeo. Any one else have this problem?

    After replacing the ION mod and the egr valve(possibly unnecessarily)it appears to possibly be a stuck valve. It starts, and Idles fine with no misfires present. The timing is in synch and it only starts losing pressure seemingly when I press the gas. It's not choppy or rough which may lead me to plugs or timing but I still have no power above 2500rpm. When I remove the EGR valve and cover the port holes, there is a tremendous amount of exhaust air blowing out the ports. Is this normal? I'm thinking there may be a stuck valve which is forcing all the air out this exit and may be keeping the egr valve in the OPEN position causing it to not have the power. Acceleration should have the valve in the closed position correct ? Any ideas or what may be a good product to release a stuck valve. My lease is due back in 8 days and I certainly do not want to pull the motor apart to do valve work. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

    Tony
  • Good point Joel. All the compression checks came back ok at the station..the code retrieved was for the ION mod and that was replaced.

    Tony
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    Tony- it's possible you have one or more bad coil packs? (one over each spark plug). The GM/delphi ion sensing system needs good coil packs to work. Did you put denso plugs in? are the connectors to each coil pack making good connection? Are each coil firmly "clicked" onto each spark plug? I'd unplug each one, put some di-electric grease on the plug & re-connect them. Maybe even pull each coil & verify it's making contact w/ each plug. Twist as you pull each one- so it comes out in one piece. If the coil pulls off of the rubber tube- no biggie, just yank out the rubber tube & stick it back on the coil. Throw some di-electric grease between the tube & plug as well. G/luck
    Joel
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    Tony- I'm going way out on a limb, but how's your battery? This definately sounds like an electrical issue. If your truck doesnt see somewhere around 13V and proper amperage, things can go wacky. Another thing to check is proper grounding. Make sure your chassis & engine grounds are good.
    Joel
  • Good point Joel. All the compression checks came back ok at the station..the code retrieved was for the ION mod and that was replaced.

    Tony
  • I will definitely check all that you recommend Joel. The mechanic did mention something about water being down in the 3 plug chambers on one side of the motor. The other side was ok. But he did replace them all with NGK Platinums. Cant really see how the water could get in there..but anything is possible. I will continue to troubleshoot. At this time the truck is in my driveway and I am investigating anything that may be possible.

    Tony
  • jtk152jtk152 Posts: 139
    Tony- Water down in the spark plug recesses will DEFINATELY short out a coil & cause a misfire. Did you go thru deep water or wash the engine bay prior to this happening? The spark plug chambers are pretty well sealed by the rubber cap on the top of each boot/tube, but a heavy volume of water or water at high pressure could get in there. I bet that's your problem. Either those coils are fried or you still have water down in there. Make sure all the spark plug chambers are clean & dry. Pull all the plugs to see which ones are firing & which are not. You can also swap the coils around to see if the problem follows the coil. G/luck
    Joel
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,764
    Pricing has been updated but we don't have invoice pricing yet.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    All I saw in there was idiotic people trying to compare it to the ride in the editors Honda or Camry. "Nice car, but not as good a ride as my honda"

    Well DUH, it's a TRUCK, not a CAR!

    -mike
  • Here is the beginning of the Rodeo Review:

    >What Edmunds.com Says
    >An impressive V6 engine makes its debut for 2004. Too bad it has to be in the under-achieving >Rodeo.

    I never, ever, place any value on what Edmunds has to say about a vehicle. Ever!

    When I sold my Rodeo, it was to an individual who already owned one. I have owned three myself. How many of you Trooper guys have owned more than one Isuzu? 'Nuff said...

    John
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    '97 Rodeo that I leased, beat the crap out of for almost 50K miles with no maintenance done except oil changes every 5-10K miles with the cheapest oil I could find. Turned it in and it still ran and looked like new.

    -mike
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Well, gosh, thanks for the vote of confidence. Try the Feedback Form if you have concerns.

    tidester, host
  • ae1awae1aw Posts: 6
    Hi, new to the boards, and to Isuzu. Just bought a '98 passport about 6 weeks ago, 89,700 miles, V-6, EX- 2 wheel drive. 2 previous owners, negative on any CARFAX reports.

    Have had the following done in the last 5 weeks:

    Replaced spark plugs, (Champions out, NGK in).
    Replaced timing belt and serp. belt.
    Replacd cam & crank seals.
    Replaced water pump, T-stat. (Gaskets, also).
    Replaced front wheel bearings & seals, and front brakes.
    Replaced battery, air filter, fuel filter & PCV valve.
    Replaced tranny fluid, filter and gasket at local tranny shop.
    Rear brakes at 50 %.
    Coolant system flush completed.
    Replaced shocks. (OEM out, Monro sensa-tracs in).
    Dealer installed new Mastercraft tires, P235/70R/16.
    Differntial fluid is ok, as is power steering.
    Throttle body cleaned.
    Oil / filter changed 4 times, using Castrol 10W-30

    So,what else should I do to bring this up to speed ????

     Passport drives fine, starts every time. Smooth on highway, gas mileage as expected. Lots of rattles, but I don't mind that at all.
    No drips or leaking that I can tell. Check oil 2-3 times per week, no usage as of yet.

    Appreciate ANY feedback.

    Thank You,
    Steve
    Tinker Air Force Base
    Oklahoma
  • Great List! I would change the rear diffy fluid (Isuzu suggests every 30k and it is cheapy DIY job). I would also suggest unbolting the egr and spray it out with carb cleaner too. You also may want to flush the power stearing fluid too. I just pulled the lower tube on the power stearing reservoir, drained it. Filled it up jacked up the front of the truck, started it up and rotated the wheels to bump stop to bump stop to get the air out (as suggested in the manual, every 30k). Next you may want to run a couple of tanks of gas with Chevron Techron concentrate (8 bucks at Target) - or - you can take it to a place where the hook a can of cleaner up to the fuel rail to help clean the injectors and combusion chamber. I run a bottle of Techron before every oil change.

    Other then that, wash'er up give her a couple coats of wax and enjoy for another 90k!
    -Ryan

    -How hard was it to replace the cam and crank seals?
  • How can Edmunds rate the Assender with a 5 year depreciation rate of ~69%? It's been out for how long? Oh yeah, I forgot, it's a Chevy in disguise, but the Isuzu badge automatically qualifies it for the Edmunds junk pile. At least they threw in the Tracker so poor Isuzu wouldn't hold all of the top spots.

    Top 10 SUVs With the Worst Residual Value
    Date Posted 05-07-2003
    The percentage following the vehicle is the total amount of depreciation that takes place over five years and 15,000 miles per year. The bigger the number, the worse it is. Keep in mind that the depreciation percentages are based on the national TMV price plus typical options plus destination charge.

    Isuzu Rodeo Sport — 68.90%

    Isuzu Ascender — 68.74%

    Isuzu Rodeo — 68.33%

    Chevrolet Tracker — 67.22%

    Isuzu Axiom — 66.96%

    Suzuki Grand Vitara — 66.78%

    Oldsmobile Bravada — 66.63%

    Ford Explorer Sport — 66.22%

    Kia Sorento — 65.57%

    Suzuki Vitara — 65.46%
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