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  • pathstarpathstar Member Posts: 201
    Actually, all long wheelbase 4X4s will bind nicely. In my "old fashoned" 90 4Runner, I always released and repressed the throttle when shifting out of 4WD. You will notice this effect less with short wheelbase units, but it still occurs. One important difference though. The short wheelbase vehicles (Jeep CJ, SWB Landcruiser - no longer sold, or made I think, etc.) will swap ends before you know what's happening when in 2WD. Our long wheelbase SUVs aren't that touchy. This from personal experience (travelling backwards in a Landcruiser at 30 MPH, and it stayed in it's lane!). This DID NOT impress the drivers around me, however ;-).
  • bravo7bravo7 Member Posts: 3
    Mine has been going on for months..I have checked the gas cap repeatedly. It will stay on for two or three tank fulls and then go off for one or two. Then, maybe back on.
  • bravo7bravo7 Member Posts: 3
    I previously owned a '92 Pathfinder. This thing would go anywhere, in any condition. My new 2000, with the Bridgestone tires will not even back up. I realize they probably give a better ride on dry pavement, but they are absolutely terrible here in Vermont. Never, never would I recommend those tires. Any snow at all-it better be in 4 wheel drive!!!
  • bravo7bravo7 Member Posts: 3
    When it is cold out (below 20F) I get a cracking-like sound from somewhere around my windshield. I have examined the wipers, antennae, mirrors and everything up front. It sounds like the windshield is actually loose and happens at speeds above 50MPH on the highway.
  • aspenwhiteaspenwhite Member Posts: 39
    highup,

    The Bosch 3323 is bigger than the OEM 15208-9E000. I used the Purolator PureOne PL14620, same OEM size, great oil filter. AW
  • loboyloboy Member Posts: 75
    I think you can do better, especially with the incentives that are out there now. Bought mine LE Auto4wd (I think you said yours was a 4x2) for a little less, albeit it was from Canada.
    Good luck
  • sanandtonsanandton Member Posts: 342
    $29,253. Is the price I calculate your dealer paid for the vehicle (invoice). I assume everthing includes leather, moldings, mats, sunroof deflector, microfilter, tow package. Even taking into account the holdback, your quote of 28,500. looks good to me. Don't think you should loose any sleep over that price.
  • rman2rman2 Member Posts: 6
    I'm about to take delivery on my PF. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about rustproofing/undercoating. Ziebart's process involves drilling holes in bottom of door. They warranty car for lifetime against rust as long as you have it inspected every year. I dont know what Nissan's warranty is for rust protection on PF so I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions?
  • frodo4frodo4 Member Posts: 9
    Thanks for your feedback, I figured about $700.00 below dealer cost was pretty darn good. Do you think it possible to even squeak out more, probably not? Yes you're right, the car included everything you mentioned except for Nav & Ent systs.
    Any other suggestions before I close the deal?
    Thanks again my friend...
  • lisafrsandiegolisafrsandiego Member Posts: 12
    Hey Frodo, after reading through about 100 posts here it looks like you are about to close the best deal I've seen(in the US). If you could please share how you found that dealer and where/who it is I would really appreciate it.

    I would like to buy at $700 below dealer cost too!

    Or, if anyone knows of the best way to find a good deal in Southern California that would be very helpful. I am looking for an LE 2x4.

    I've already received a quote for $29,028 from Carsdirect.com but consider that a starting point for haggling. This is my first time at this so any info would be great!
  • sanandtonsanandton Member Posts: 342
    Where do you live? Do you plan on keeping the PF longer than 6 years? Most rust protection packages are a rip off. The manufacturer usually provides a warranty against rust longer than the general 3yr - 36k miles BTB warranty. I have never had a car rust even my 15 year old Camaro, or any car for that matter. I do live in the SE only get rare snow, and we don't ususally use salt on roads.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Just like to check a few assumptions here...I calc the invoice for a 4X2 LE with all but nav/ent to be about 29,600 including destination (I always include dest in invoice 'cause it's always charged...does everyone else do that when figuring invoice? For example although the carsdirect invoice figure include dest, the edmunds figure does not). So, assuming Frodo4's 28,500 also includes dest, that's $1100 under invoice..easily the best I've seen in the states. With the caveat that it's not one of those left-over part-time 4WD models, this is quite a deal.

    Lisafrsandiego...keep in mind that the carsdirect price does not include LSD (which I assume is included in the frodo4 est) which is $217 invoice.

    Just want to be sure we're doing apples/apples here.
  • needanissanneedanissan Member Posts: 5
    How is the Pathfinder re: insurance costs?
    Is it listed on the 'most stolen' list or anything else I should know about?
  • loboyloboy Member Posts: 75
    Okay, according to Edmunds, the invoice price for an LE 4x2 with EVERYTHING except nav, ent, and LSD is $29,211 (don't know why Edmunds doesn't list LSD as an option for the 4x2). Invoice for LSD is $217, so total comes to $29,428. Since this is a 2WD model, the old "stick" version or AWD doesn't apply.

    Frodo4, your price is almost $1000 under the US invoice. Like Sanandton said, that's a darn good price. Sorry if I have misled you. I didn't check on the invoice prices yesterday. I guess I was comparing apples and oranges (US and Canada).

    About the insurance thing for the PF, this was one of the reasons I bought the PF. I compared it to the 4Runner and the Forester and the premiums for both vehicles were higher than the PF. My rep told me it was cheaper to fix the PF. I suggest checking with your insurance company first.
  • loboyloboy Member Posts: 75
    Got about 8" of snow last night (first real dumping in the Pacific NW). PF All-mode 4wd performed flawlessly. Just turned the knob and into 4wd it went and vice versa.
  • frodo4frodo4 Member Posts: 9
    Hi guys,

    thanks for the replies. Yes, after dealing with various dealers, I was able to negotiate $28,500 for a PF LE 4x2 with all options except tha NAV & ENT. The other charges I supposedly have to pay are tax (which in FL is 6.5%) the tag fee, about $200.00 and then what the dealer calls "dealer services or title. The total all inclusive price comes to $30,949.24. I would assume that this dealer services is the destination charge.
    I still think its a pretty darn good deal and at 3.9% even better.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    OK - so you paid $28,332 + $540 dest = $29,072. Then tax of $1877, then title/reg of $200 which is $30,949. That's a great deal...works out to $555 under invoice. Invoice on your LE 2WD is $26,640 base + $2467 options (inc LSD) + $540 dest = $29,627.

    If there's something wrong in how I did this, please let's fix it so we're all on the same page. This is the #1 question asked on this site so we should agree on how we calculate 'how much is this over/under invoice'. I know it was the only way I could make sense of the 'what price should I shoot for' question when I was purchasing and the input I got here was extremely helpful.
  • meca2meca2 Member Posts: 284
    highup: The 3.5 L engine has solid lifters....sorry. My Altima has solid lifters
    also and uses PL24457 oil filter with 4 qts of oil. Nissan must have changed
    oil pans?? Steve
  • loboyloboy Member Posts: 75
    Hey Tom,
    Having some time on my hands (everyone's out because of the snow!!) so I'll go through your numbers. I agree with the $28,332 figure but how did you figure the option price? Here's what I got (all Edmunds invoice $). Let me know I'm coming from left field:

    LE 4x2 - $26,637
    dest - $540
    leather - $1,560
    mats - $58
    filter - $38
    hitch - $305
    moulding - $73
    sunroof deflector - $42
    LSD - $216

    Total Invoice w/destination: $29,469 <==this is also what I consider true INVOICE because that is what the dealer has to pay (not including any incentives or holdbacks). Anything else, such as tax, title, registration, ad fees, etc. are different for different regions. What you actually pay depends on supply/demand and your negotiation skills.

    To figure what frodo4 actually paid ($28,872.53):

    $30,949.24-$200 (title, reg, etc) = $30,749.24, then
    $30,749.24/1.065 (less tax) = $28,872.53 (w/dest)

    That's $596.47 UNDER invoice.

    GREAT JOB FRODO4!
  • levkolevko Member Posts: 3
    I understand that in Canada you can get SE with AWD for no extra charge. Does it come (or could come) with climate control also? It looks like here in US, SE can not be equiped with climate control. Am I right?
  • divedeep98divedeep98 Member Posts: 4
    Got my 2001 PF LE 4x4(All-mode) two weeks ago. It has all options except Nav. & Ent., and the price came to $30,830 (excluding tax, registration fees). I thought it was a good deal as it's below invoice a few hundred dollars.

    Already put 1500 miles on it by driving to ski resorts on weekend, and am very happy about the new PF. The only thing discomfort me is the Bridgestone tires.

    Last weekend, we got 4-foot new snow at Pacific NW. During the trips to the resort and back, the PF spun out *TWICE* !!! Almost got us killed. Both were under Auto-4WD. The first time was at 45-50 mph (yes, I know, it's a bit too fast on snow and ice), but the second time was at 15-20 mph. After I switched to 4H, it seemed it held the road surface so much better.

    Later when talking to my friends about this and analyzing the situation, we figured it was most likely because half of the road surface was covered by ice, and the other half by snow, which caused different traction between the left wheels and the righ wheels. And the computer that senses the slippage operates in a front-rear fashion, in other word, when the rear wheels starts slipping, it transfers power to the front wheels. However, in the situation I encountered, one of the rear wheel had good traction (on deep snow), so the 4WD was not engaged automatically by the "confused" computer. Does it make sense?

    Anyway, I learnt my lesson, and would always use 4H or 4L in that kind of situation. Trust my own judgement rather than the computer's.
  • lisafrsandiegolisafrsandiego Member Posts: 12
    Well, I phoned an Autobytel.com rep about 60 miles from where I live (San Diego, CA)and received the following quote this morning:

    Pathfinder LE 2x4 with all options except Ent/Nav
    MSRP: 32,293
    First he quoted: 28,995
    Then I told him I had a quote for $29K from CarsDirect.com and that Frodo4 was getting his for 28,500 and that's what I'd be happy with.
    So he came back with 28,600
    Extras: 45 doc fee
    418 license
    5 tire fee
    2148.39 tax
    31,216.38 Total

    How'd I do? Should I do this? Will I be happy? Is it fun to drive a PF? Will I love it for 10 years? Is the 2x4 good for our flawless weather? What will the resale on it be in 5 yrs, 10 yrs?

    Thanks so much... I'm getting excited!
  • pathstarpathstar Member Posts: 201
    Let me start by saying, here in Canada we have a very small market (less than 10% US market). We have no 2X4 Pathfinders, no 4 cyl., no Nav. system, etc.

    Yes, the SE comes with the AUTO 4WD (if you order the automatic xmission). No, the climate control is only available on the LE.

    Hope that clears it up a bit. Feel free to ask any more questions, the dealer is just a local phone call away ;-).
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
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  • batchelor22batchelor22 Member Posts: 10
    I would like to thank you all for the great info and useful discussion I have attained on this list. A couple of questions. Does anyone know if the headrests on the leather seats are also leather? I was told at the dealership that they are but they seem like vinyl to me. Secondly to the other Canadians out there. Where do you find Vinylex? I have had no trouble finding the Lexol leather cleaner and conditioner but the Vinylex seems harder to find. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
  • meca2meca2 Member Posts: 284
    I asked a good friend that works in the parts department
    where I purchased my PF and looking at the sales brochure
    it looks like the only leather is on the seat surfaces,maybe
    the steering wheel cover and gearshift. Personally I wished I
    ordered one in cloth. The Lexal leather cleaner/conditioner
    is the most recomended....Steve
  • frodo4frodo4 Member Posts: 9
    Hey everyone!

    Thanks for all the positive feedback. I am going to see the dealer tomorrow to hopefully seal the deal. Loboy - your numbers are right on, that's what I figure to pay as well. My method was simple - after reading through Edmund's and getting the exact price - I sent an email to each Nissan dealership in my area. They all replied with different numbers. I took the lowest one,(which by the way was still pretty good at $28,799.00) and said flat out I was willing to pay $28,500.00 - The guy faxed me in writing the acceptance.
    Now all I need to know is if I'll be happy with the PF b/c I haven't even test driven it yet. Too caught up in this stuff (plus planning a wedding) had no time. Looks like tomorrow is it.
    Let you guys know how it turned out.
  • mjowmjow Member Posts: 7
    I got my Super Black Pathfinder EL 2X4 with everything but Navigation and TV for $28,200.00 at the end of November. I believe You can do at least this good, maybe better considering rebates and incentives. Try Gwinnettplacenissan.com. Call the dealership and ask for Art Mary. I am sure you can work out a deal. I felt like a got a fair deal!! And they had about 50 on the lot - all trim levels, all options. Good Luck!
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    So...the difference in our invoice prices was the leather...I had $1734 (because that's what I paid on my 4WD) and you had $1560...so I look and see that the 2WD invoice price is different from 4WD. Checking the fine print I see that there are indeed less seat adjustments/memory settings on the 2WD version. How about that. This makes my invoice number too high...it should be 29,469 (base=26,637 + opts=2292 + dest=540).

    I'm probably spending too much time on this, but I think it's important for us to standardize on the term 'above/below invoice'. Invoice is base invoice price for the model + invoice price for options + dest (same everywhere, $540).

    It seems that frodo4's case is a bit confusing becase the dest charge isn't clear. A quote of 28,500 + 540 =29,040. That's $429 under invoice ($29,469). This doesn't agree with the other numbers, so I don't know what's what.
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Your deal seems even better...assuming 28,600 includes dest. That's $869 under invoice!

    Those added charges seem a bit high, esp the 418 license, but given the great deal, who cares.
  • lisafrsandiegolisafrsandiego Member Posts: 12
    The quote I posted above was the exact numbers I went over on the phone with the dealer. I haven't tried any "fax attack" approaches or on priceline.com yet.

    After test driving again yesterday, I am wondering whether I should choose a 4x4 or AWD instead of the 2x4. It was explained to me that being able to take it off road or in icy conditions was the whole point of having such a vehicle.

    Is the 4x4 going to be safer than the 2x2? What about resale value? Are 4x4s much more desirable? It is worth the extra $$$?
    Thanks everyone for chatting with me about this!
  • marlin98marlin98 Member Posts: 1
    For all you nice folks out there thinking about buying an all wheel drive pathfinder. I have been living with the Infiniti version for a year now. The drive system is great with two drawbacks. The first, and a minor one, the system bucks when you shut off the truck. Sort of like being bumped from behind. It will not do it if you allow the truck to sit at idle for a minute before shutting down. A minor annoyance. The second is the gas mileage! I get an average of 12-13 MPG combined!
    Just thought you should know.

    P.. I am a relaxed driver, not lead footed at all.
  • meca2meca2 Member Posts: 284
    marlin98: I have a 2001 PF LE with AWD and I am very impressed
    how smooth mine changes from 2wd to 4 auto and back again. What year
    is your Infiniti? I also change the oil in the trans and transfer case to Valvoline dura-blend. Made the trans shift smoother also. I'm getting about 17-18 mph driving in the mountains on ski trips rarely using O/D. There might be a valve sticking in the transfer case hydraulics?? Steve
  • msisengmsiseng Member Posts: 369
    I just bought my Xterra...(2001 SE, 4WD, Auto Dimming Mirror, Mud Guards, Floor Mats, Filter, totally USELESS moonroof, alloy wheels and stock 16" tires for $24,600 including frieght). The vehicle has minor problems like a warped side mirror and the fuel guage registers 1/3 full when fully filled with gas. I hope Nissan will fix this or I will have to return the vehicle under the lemon law.

    Other than these minor issues, the Xterra beats the heck out of my more expensive Ford Explorer and my new Pathfinder. I read all the reviews that stated the Xterra drives like a truck (Frontier Chassis) and The Pathfinder drives like a car (Maxima Chassis). In reality, the Pathfinder has a less room, offers the same lousy mileage and costs a lot more. It just looks more upscale if one is into form over function.

    Sometimes the Xterra's 4WD grinds when I try to put it in 4WD. The Pathfinder does not have this same problem, but cannot shift on the fly as well.

    Oddly enough, my friend and I were offroading and his Pathfinder got stuck in the mud, even with a superior engine while the Xterra navigated without a hiccup! If one is not into a beautiful vehicle with all the options, maybe the Xterra is the better option for offroading? Heck, even on pavement it drives like a charm.

    The Xterra is marketed for a far different crowd than the Pathfinder, but as an owner of both, I have to say the Xterra offers a bigger bang for the buck! I only wish Nissan would put the Pathfinder engine in the Xterra!
  • meca2meca2 Member Posts: 284
    1. antennas: Might get better signal from all directions. My Stanza has 2 antennas just like the PF. The radio detects witch antenna is picking up the best signal and uses that antenna. 2. tires: The speedo and computer are calibrated for tires that came with the vehicle. 3. Noise from rack: Is the noise comming from the rack or the wind deflector we paid $40+ for. I removed the wind defectorthe same day I got home and no noise sence. 4. K/N filter: Acording to all the tests they are worst then the cheep paper ones!! Amsoil foam are the best!!!!. 5. Outside air temp again: Have to drive over 15 mph for 100 sec. before the thermometer reads correctly. Then updates every 40 sec. Cheers
  • phil47phil47 Member Posts: 394
    1. The 2 antennas are called a diversity antenna. They are used to optimize radio reception depending on AM/FM, interference and distance from transmitter.
    2. I know you can fit a 17 inch wheel (245/65/17) as this is optional on the QX4. As for other combinations, I don't know (but I know a couple guys on this board have gone through the effort with their 99.5/2000 PFs).
    3. Other than removing the crossbars, I significantly reduced the noise by moving both crossbars near the back of the rack.
    4. I know the K&N improved my mileage on my 99.5 PF LE with the 3.3 L engine (about 5%). I am logging my results with a K&N on my 2001 LE right now (as is bgritz...gritz, any results??) and will get back to you soon. I have not noticed any improvement in HP or throttle response using the "seat of the pants" measurement method.
    5. On my 99.5 PF LE, the mileage improved dramatically after around 5,000 miles and I continued to see significant improvement right up until around 10,000 miles (where it was at least meeting EPA figures).
    6. The temp sensor sits low in front of the radiator. As meca2 states, you have to be driving a certain speed for a certain amount of time for it to start registering changes to try and avoid recording trapped heat around the engine or from the road. I believe Jon Lofquist once quoted the "logic" the sensor uses from the shop manual...Jon??

    Hope this helps. Good luck with the faq.
  • gmcintoshgmcintosh Member Posts: 3
    I believe its a great idea going to Canada to purchase your new Pathfinder. But how can you beat 3.9% financing here in the states, compared to at least 7.5% with a local bank. Has anyone found out if you can use the Nissan special rates in Canada
  • npathfindernpathfinder Member Posts: 21
    I am ready to purchase a 2001 LE Pathfinder with everything except the TV. It has the NAV, Body Side Moldings, Leather, Tow, Microfilter, Limited Slip...They are asking $34,000. I believe that is under dealer cost. Should I got for it?
  • msisengmsiseng Member Posts: 369
    You can do better than $34,000. I bought both an Xterra SE and a Pathfinder. My Pathfinder matches your specs exactly (except for the towing package) and I paid $31,011.00 including destination. I paid this in a high socio-economic area where prices are generally higher.

    Nissan has hidden incentives for dealers above and beyond the 3% holdback in February. If they sell a certain amount of vehicles, they still make a huge profit. On a general rule, you have to walk out of the dealership twice for a good price and let them call you back in the morning. Pathfinder's are moving very slow; hence the 3.9% interest rate to boost sales. Many dealerships are overstocked and have to sell before the end of February.

    I have to say, I am thrilled with both vehicles, although the Xterra's fuel guage is not working properly. The Xterra has more room, but less ammenities and a totally worthless moonroof that is obscured by a roof rack. However, it drives like a dream off road and I am thrilled with both purchases.

    After owning many Ford Trucks, I will NEVER go back! Anyone want to buy a black 1996 Explorer (Goodyear Heavy Duty Tires) Sport with 53,000 Miles, all service records provided and every imaginable option? LOL.

    Bravo to Nissan for soing such a good job with their entire product line!
  • jim233jim233 Member Posts: 2
    I have a 2001 PF LE AWD with Bridgestone tire and had a similar problem a couple months back. I was driving in Auto-4WD after about a six inch snow fall. The road was completely covered with snow and it was difficult to determine exactly where the road was. Unfortunately for me the road curved left and I didn't. My right front tire went off the edge of the road only slightly at about 30-35mph but I went into a spin anyway. Similar to your situation, I: 1) almost killed myself, 2) switched to 4HI immediately afterword and didn't have any further problems, and 3) came to the same conclusion you did.
    Has anyone else had this problem and is our conclusion a valid one? Or is it possibly something else (inferior tires)?
  • li_sailorli_sailor Member Posts: 1,081
    Ok - LE 4WD invoice is:

    Base 28,910
    tow 305
    body molding 73
    microfilter 38
    leather 1,734
    LSD 216
    nav 1,734
    dest 540
    TOTAL: 33,550

    So, npathfinder, your quote is $450 over invoice. Msiseng claims to have gotten the same without tow (lowering the invoice to $33,245) which would be $2,234 below invoice! I think I want to know who that dealer is! Do you have to buy an Xterra also to get that price? :^)

    npathfinder - carsdirect.com has your configuration for $33,448.

    On the comparison between the Xterra & PF...I test drove both and found a huge difference in the handling...the PF was much more responsive and much less harsh a ride. I don't understand your comment, msiseng, on the X having more room...the PF has 85 cu ft of space and the X has 66. The X does have 1" more legroom in the rear and it is certainly a good vehicle for the $.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Yikes! Glad that you're okay. I hope your truck wasn't damaged (was it?)

    When the road is completely snow covered, I would recommend switching to 4WD High lock. The reason for this is that the auto 4WD mode needs rear wheel slippage to activate the front wheels, and as quick as the system is, that loss of traction for the split second may be enough for you to lose control. In 4WD High mode, all four wheels are receiving power (proactive vs. reactive). Just remember to switch back to Auto 4WD when you're back on a partially snow covered surface.

    Yes, your tires probably contributed to the problem too. The 4WD system is only as good as the tires. After all, the system can only work with whatever traction it has. Winter tires may be something that you may want to consider in the future.

    Drive carefully!

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  • coolpathcoolpath Member Posts: 2
    Anyone experiencing problems with the 2000 PF... I went through all
    the messages but nothing (I guess thats a good thing). I own a PF LE
    4X4..love it...but when I drove the 2001 and noticed the power .. I
    wondering if there is anything I can do (to add more power) without violationg the
    warranty... pls advice
    Thanx all,
  • mlosteomlosteo Member Posts: 4
    I can get a 2001 Pathfinder LE with a Navigation system for less than I can get a QX4 without one.
    Can anyone tell me if it is worth the extra money to buy a QX$ over the Pathfinder? Can anyone comment on the Navigation System?
  • ds532ds532 Member Posts: 5
    response to 1302: ever since I've put new Michelin LTX snow/mud tires on my 01 Pathfinder SE, I have no problems on snowy and icy roads. Now, with good tires and LSD, very often, I don't even need to engage 4WD anymore when the roads are bad. I am puzzled why is Nissan using such louzy tires as Bridgestones on an SUV. Switch to BF Goodrich, Michelin, or some other, more capable tires.
  • npathfindernpathfinder Member Posts: 21
    Are you sure that you got the same Pathfinder as I am looking at?? Does it have the Navigation System? Please let me know!! If I could get one for that price I think I would buy two of them!!
  • npathfindernpathfinder Member Posts: 21
    I just got my Pathfinder LE with the NAV system and I love it. I went on a short trip earlier today and the voice system is un-real. I guided me to the exact address I entered in. Can't wait to make some more trips with it!!
  • fossfatefossfate Member Posts: 12
    Hey,
    for all who might be interested....
    I received a call today from a local dealer offering me a 2001 LE 4x4 with nav, entertainment, leather etc. for $5,000 below MSRP. all for
    $31,000 and some change. she said the fully loaded PF's weren't quite as popular as they anticipated.
    not a bad deal.
    I live in the Northeast. Would love to take advantage but unfortunately, its a couple thousand dollars more than I'm able to spend.
  • lisafrsandiegolisafrsandiego Member Posts: 12
    Am I correct in discovering that the LE doesn't come in 4WD, just AWD? I am trying to price and purchase a 4WD instead of the 2x4.

    According to Carsdirect.com the invoice price for the options I selected was $31,658 w/ AWD (would like 4WD if it's available). Where should I start my bargaining? How do I get dealers to bid against each other? I need to know what a GREAT price for this PF would be. Someone please let me know! I want to everything I can to get the best deal. Thanks -all replies are appreciated!
  • lisafrsandiegolisafrsandiego Member Posts: 12
    Yes, I'm interested! Please post the details or email me at lisalove@san.rr.com

    THANKS! I AM SO EXCITED AND I CAN WAIT TO DRIVE MY NEW PF, WHEREVER SHE IS!
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