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Hey paramedic, what's your buddy have to say about the Tahoe? I think that's a much more appealing vehicle, and really don't seem that big to me. I parked beside one the other day and it wasn't much longer than my Cherokee.
I believe that any one of these discussions would include at least one buyer that was unhappy and had a slew of troubles. I think thats the case for all makes/models.
Do we really know how the Envoy performs off road either ? Just curious ?
CONGRATULATIONS!! Off the top of my head, I would say that you will NOT experience the same "nightmares" that you experienced with your Jeep. I guess time will tell.
In many cases, the "5-STAR" Chrysler dealers are more of a nightmare than the product itself. Their endless excuses wear thin after a few service visits.
Keep us informed.
fastdriver
New wires and plugs.Any ideas or similar experiences? And ,YES, I did have to rebuild the tranny - for $1800....
I just picked up my new Overland on Friday, and declined extended warranty purchase. I'll buy it near the end of the vehicle's 3/36000 warranty period, thereby holding onto that money for another three years before giving it to DC. I personally believe that's a smarter way to go, particularly if, for some reason, you no longer have the Jeep in 2005. You can get refunds I'm sure, but why subject yourself to the hassle? And I'd be inclined to then go with the DC extended warranty just to avoid inevitable "discussions" with your dealer's service writer over what's covered and what's not. You may have these even with a DC service contact, but you'd likely have fewer of them.
Just my 2 cents worth -- I'd be interested in other viewpoints. Enjoy the new Jeep!!!
Different subject -- anybody installed a set of roof rack cross rails on a new Grand Cherokee?
As for the Tahoe/Envoy discussion - it is on a different chasiss, but like I noted its a friend of mine that is the mechanic and I am merely relaying his concerns. I dont have any information on the tahoe - but do like the way the look etc.
On service contracts - I agree with "oldjeepguy" I plan on buying my extended when I reach 30K plus and am certain I will continue to drive the vehicle as opposed to trade. I purchased one for my 99 Dodge Quad 4WD Ram and never used it. Traded it for the 02 JGC with 60K on it and it was never in the shop.
I THOUGHT I had a link to a Chrysler dealer that sold Chrysler extended warranties at a much reduced price, but I can't find it. If you go to the Chrysler 300M topic here in Sedans, someone there will have it for you. Just tell them that fastdriver sent you there to ask.
Also, I thought you had to buy the warranty by the end of the first year or 12,000 miles. Just double check this.
fastdriver
I took a print out of a quote off that site to the dealer when we bought the extended warranty for out 01 Dodge Ram, we got the warranty through the dealer for $100 over cost. The look on the F&I guy's face was priceless....hehehe.
That's not the site I was thinking of. It's something like Melin?? If I see it, I'll know it.
fastdriver
There is supposed to be a rivet placed forward to prevent the rack from sliding forward but for what reason I am not sure. There arent even locking steps in that end of the track as far as I can see.
Hopefully this will help. If not let me know.
BTW you will need a step ladder to get up high enough to be able to line them up and slide them on as both sides need to go in at the same time.
Capt. B
You can check http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov for TSB's or http://www.carfax.com and pay for a full check.
fastdriver
Certainly the jury is out as to how well JGC's will hold up after five years. Still, this is a big improvement over the JGC's past results in JD Power's initial quality survey, and is at least a good indication that 2001-2002 JGC quality will be better than in past model years.
Just thoughts.
My 02 has been offroad in varying conditions and in snow etc and I have not had any such experience in 4W High. Have not needed to use 4 low yet.
Now, if you only have a part-time system, you shouldn't be in 4X4 on dry pavement (or wet for that matter) as paramedic and livetodrive have suggested. But I think the limiteds only came with Quadra-drive back in '00 so I'm pretty sure you have the full-time system.
Free Tid-bit: this is why I prefer the selec-trac system. You can run in 2wd if you want and will have much less noticable hopping. I will also add though, that even my Jeep in 2wd will scuff the tires a bit when turning full-lock. I think it's just a trait of the solid-front axle, which is part of why Jeeps are far superior off-road to 99% of the other SUV's on the road.
http://www.wjjeeps.com/crossrails.htm
They can actually be easily removed by hand if you pull in the right area, one side first. They are made of pretty strong plastic, I've taken mine off a few times with no harm.
My mother-in-laws '99 Grand Ltd. had it's first problem show up around 80K miles. She's getting a clunk when she backs up and turns the wheel. Not a big deal in my book, probably an axle or something. Her's has done the scuffing thing for as long as I remember, but again only when turning the wheels to the locked position. No idea if it's related to the scuffing, but I doubt it because I've had other vehicles with solid-front axles scuff the tires when turning sharp.
It sounds like the same problem I had with my GCL Quadra Drive, It progressively got worse to a point where on low speed turns the whole car would shake vigorously. As usual the dealer was trying to tell me that it was normal or they couldn’t duplicate the problem. Anyway, I finally I dropped off the car at the dealer and told them that I wasn’t picking it up until fixed! Turned out to be a fairly simple fix, the technician called it “Viscous coupler not disengaging”. If I remember correctly the transfer case fluid was replaced with a fluid of different viscosity and that took care of the problem. I hope this helps. Good luck!
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Has anybody been able to have the computer adjusted to lower the shift points? At what speed does your GC shift to OD? Appreciate feedback. Am still in warranty.
As for the review on Edmunds, I found it written from a bizarre viewpoint. Essentially said, "We liked it last time we drove it, but now we want a car, and this is still a Jeep" Huh? If that editor wants a convertible next week, will he be disappointed that it's not a Z3? I don't get the logic. Any manufacturer can make a tall station wagon. I want Jeep to make Jeeps.
Aloha
Some may have initial build quality issues, granted, but the good ones are better than energizer bunnies.
Roger
However, when it's cold, the engine hesitates and then kind of "jumps"
into gear when first starting off. This goes away as soon as the
SUV's warm.
Anybody have a similar problem or know what might be causing this?
Also, what does everyone use to keep the lower panels and bumpers looking good? Thanks.
Panels, interestingly enough there are 2 things I would recommend. This stuff called showroom shine which is basically a solution that changes the electrostatic charge of the panels and paint etc to avoid collecting dust easily. Funeral homes use it on their vehicles to keep them looking nice for processions, and dealers use them as it implies in the showroom. You can probably order it but not sure where from. I will try and determine and post. This works the best.
I would also recommend bumper cleaner in black available at auto parts stores.
Good luck !
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http://www.wjjeeps.com/evic.htm