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I don't know if this link works, but here's a K900 for $549/mo with $2999 up front - and that's before negotiation.
No doubt a subsidized lease - I bet resale is catastrophic. Maybe a used bargain.
Today I read about BMW 750 for ~$800 month - with the S class stealing the show and the F01 soon to be replaced, no doubt some inventory to move, too.
The problem with the Kia and Hyundai brand upscale vehicles K900, Cadenza, Azera, Genesis and Equus is there terrible depreciation value along with a 40 to 60k price tag. If your not running these cars into the ground you stand to lose a lot more money than other brands. These vehicles have all the nice amenities of European vehicles priced 10 to 15k more. Most buyers wont buy cause of the badge.
After driven in my golf buddies 2013 Genesis I was impressed how quiet and nice the ride really was. I bought a leftover 2013 R-spec sedan Genesis in Nov 2013. with a sticker price of 49k and a sale price of 10 k off this price was a steal. The last I looked my depreciation was down several more k this year. A vehicle like mine is better leased. I plan on selling soon or just keeping it in my garage in Myrtle beach to have something there to get around when I'm in golf mode. I have nothing but high praise for my 429 h/p Genesis with only 3k miles. Resale value is definitely bad . Maybe in time with better reliability ratings these vehicle will due better in the depreciation dept. Until then its just another bad investment for guys like us that buy new and sell often.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
Pros:
Just fast enough(0-60: 4.3s, 1/4 mile: 12.7s at 111 mph)
Relatively cheap
Good looking
Cons:
Slushbox
Convertible
I know next to nothing about Mercedes, good shops, and decent part sources
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
other than that, it ticks absolutely none of your boxes. So why are you bothering with this, instead of buying the Challenger that your wife told you to get?
and 4.3 0-60 is "just barely fast enough"? should we start calling you Big Daddy Road Burner?
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Though not really limited to them. I would put MB and BMW in the same class for the big/really expensive models.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I think it is executive hubris, some suits being so proud of how far the brands have evolved, that they aimed too high. If bigger players, ones with more brand equity, had to make new brands to play in the premium and above markets, one would be insane to not have Hyundai follow suit. I doubt if Lexus products were branded and sold as Toyotas, at even nice Toyota dealerships, that they'd have the same cachet or sales.
Using Edmunds TCO info I chose 5 luxury sedans with MSRP around $60k and compared their 1st year depreciation, 5 year depreciation and 5 year cost of ownership.
All were very similar in their depreciation rates. The results:
Car / MSRP / 1st yr depreciation / 5 yr depreciation / 5 yr TCO
Equus / $60 / $11.5k / $34k / $78k
MB E-Class / $58 / $11k / $33k / $85k
BMW 535i X-drive / $59k / $10k / $33k / $84.5k
Audi A6 3.0T prem / $59k / $10k / $33k / $79k
Cadillac CTS 3.6 perf. / $60k / $12k / $32k / $72
This indicates very little difference in brands with a slight edge to the German cars in first year depreciation and surprisingly an $6k - $13k advantage to the Cadillac in cost to own over 5 years.
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When I bought my Genesis the general manager was boasting how good I did on my sale. When I told him in 3 or 4 yrs when I'm selling it back to you or private is where I'm getting it in the tail pipe. He laughed and said to me................. I hope I have the opportunity.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
You can theoretically load one up to 80K, but it would probably require a special order.
Regarding Equus, it might have a saving grace - livery service demand. It's really the perfect town car, comfy and somewhat posh, but anonymous. I've seen one even here with livery plates. Demand for used ones might exist for that service. For my own use, I'd pick the K9 over it simply based on design. The suddenly-it's-2007 parallel universe Lexus LS look of the Hyundai doesn't warm my cold heart, I'd rather have the parallel universe BMW.
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
at least based on Edmunds, invoice is just over 20K off of a 21.5K MSRP on a i touring without the moonroof package.
at this point, after all the searching, are you looking to go on a grinding spree, or walk over a few $100 on a car she will have for 10 years?
I have no clue if Mazda is offering a loyalty bonus, so you could just subtract that too. And if they happened to add a rebate (I am not aware of one) take that off, but my offer if I had gone with the 3i base touring was a flat 20K.
In your case, I think you will have a wonderful car on a solid deal if you just walk in, say there is the old car, which we will give you plus a check for $17,500 + TTL. You will be OTD for less than 20K, and have a car with AC that works.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I'm not sure that comparison is quite fair to the Equus, because at that MSRP I think it comes more fully gadgeted than the E Class Benz for instance, which can easily be run up to 75K. You know the Germans---their option checklist is longer than your arm.
You are correct. Last time I built a 2015 E400 on Edmunds with a lot of the amenity's that's in a Equus but not all................ the price tag was closer to 80k. for a E400 MB
The 2015 E350's MSRP's .......... are starting at 54k with barley anything that's in a Equus.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
Not cheap!
I could have hit $80K on the options list.
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
If her schedule lightens up this week, we might just go over there this Wednesday and get 'er done but if not, next week is looking good. I do prefer the darker gray color but she's saying it's too dark and when I see it up close I will agree. But it is her vehicle so we'll get what she wants...just happy I got her to commit to something!
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Like stick, the only down side is that you're out of the market, so no more looking / thinking / buying stories for the time being.
Who's next? breld, you've been awfully quiet lately. I know you've been looking, any chance you'll pull the trigger soon?
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
The one question I have is: WHY WAIT? I know your wife is hell bent on her target price, but for the amount of time she keeps a car, does it really matter if she waits until the last minute to grind the cheapest deal because it will be the day before thanksgiving? Maybe the Mazda dealership will have a "Black Friday" sales event that gives the 1st 10 people who buy a car a $150 gift card to Wal Mart. Maybe they'll give out a free turkey dinner for 6 from Boston Market if you buy a car on Thanksgiving.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
On that car, the gray is nit bad but I love the blues, especially the dark crystal blue.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Still nervous I made a bad call keeping the Volvo to send down south with the princess and getting myself something fancy. At some point that is going to bite me in the butt. Should have learned lesson after trying to maintain the TL long distance . Oh well. Too late now. I ain't sending the new one with her.
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What's the worst that could happen? Nothing mechanical, I should think - I'd be more worried about an accident and having to deal with insurance and repairs from a distance.
Relax - you've dealt the cards, now play the hand.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
My current curiosity is perhaps an SUV to replace the Odyssey. We will have had it for 3 years this February, and it's at 85k miles. Can't say there's really anything wrong with it, but wouldn't mind updating it. We've strongly considered a new model Odyssey, but the thought of switching back to an SUV sounds fun too.
Dodge Durango seems to be a front-runner right now if we went that way. Poked around a couple of them on Saturday - 3rd row seats do appear comfortable (at 6' 3", I didn't bother to try it out personally), and you seem to get a lot of cool features for the money. Of course, still need to get one out for a drive, but it looks promising. They had some low mileage 2014 Limited models for low $30k's - and I suspect there would be room there. If next year we could score something like that for mid-$20k's, it'd be tempting. I haven't had a domestic make car since my 1985 Chrysler Laser!
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
As a part of Fiat’s big shakeup, the Dodge Durango is being showed the door for the 2016 model year, making the 2015 model the last, at least for now. This decision comes despite a fairly recent overhaul, which made the Durango more desirable than ever. Fortune magazine theorizes that the car could be spun into a future three-row, seven-passenger Jeep model, as the brand has been carrying much of the Chrysler Group’s growth weight, alongside Ram, while the Dodge brand has been stumbling.
Read more: http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobiles/18-vehicles-that-we-wont-see-after-2015.html/?a=viewall#ixzz3JLW6qret
Not sure if that bothers me too much - and may cause an increase in depreciation, which bodes well for a used car buyer like myself. Since most of the platform and engine is shared with current products, like the Grand Cherokee, I don't suspect it will be challenging to get ongoing maintenance and support.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
I worry more about normal old car mechanical stuff. Throwing codes, sensor failure. Coil packs, alternator, stuff that can fail.
I will need to make contact with a Local Garage I found near campus so they gave us on file where I can send her if anything pops up, or I want things checked before she is going to take a longer trip.
I am still shell shocked from having the TL towed 3 times the last year my son had it at school. Thanks to a coil pack and alternator!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Off the top of my head...fuel filter, fuel pump, full fluid change, o2 sensor could provide a little more peace of mind without breaking the bank. Could probably get the alternator tested and make sure it is up to snuff. If you really wanted to go whole hog you could go ahead and do stuff like the water pump and coil packs but that could get pricey and is certainly beyond my mechanical ability.
2021 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4xe Granite Crystal over Saddle
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
If the Volvo dies it is either something a but less used, or a lease on a strippo Camry or some such appliance.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
That might be enough time to recover from the financial hit.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.