Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

euphonium · May 2015

Many think if there is no physical contact, they are not obligated to augment the scene of an accident.

When an oncoming vehicle drifts towards your lane, but does not enter it & you choose the ditch, should the oncoming driver be responsible for your over reaction? Because there was no contact, there was no crash that included his car, so he continued down the road.

fintail · May 2015

More justification for dashcams

Commuting lately seems easier than usual, maybe the idiots see my cam. When I am on foot, I notice that turn signal laws must have been repealed. Or just not enforced, must not be profitable.

stever · May 2015

GoPro helmet cam.

fintail · May 2015

I've seriously thought about that for jogging - it'd document the crosswalk crowders and sidewalk violators. I'd have one if I was on a bike, for sure.

stever · May 2015

And as a side benefit, it'd protect your head when a texter runs you down in the crosswalk.

andre1969 · May 2015

stever said:
Here's how to shorten DMV lines (seriously).

Parallel parking becomes an untested skill in Maryland (washingtonpost.com)

Now that's scary. FWIW, when I took the driver's test in Maryland, the actual driving part comprised driving around on a closed course where you had to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, make a very sharp right turn, do a 3-point turn in a 30 foot "box", and a parallel park in a 6x25 foot spot. So, it's not like there was all that much to the test anyway...now there's even less.

Our drivers are bad enough as it is...guess this new crop will be even worse.

andres3 · May 2015

euphonium said:
Excellent observation: Why should the inside lane be reserved for law breaking speed maniacs? Our taxes paid for all three or more lanes so I use them. At 2 or 3 above the limit - I'm a LLC who allows you to pass me on the right & that's not wrong. I choose the smoothest lane that hasn't been trucked up.

It is wrong because the law states to allow faster traffic to pass left, which is by far much MUCH MUCH safer. By forcing people to pass on the right you are endangering all of those around you, including yourself. It is just a much riskier Manuela overall for about 100 reasons.

When is the last time you had your speedometer calibrated; do you really know your going 2 or 3 above the limit just because you think it?

andres3 · May 2015

euphonium said:
Many think if there is no physical contact, they are not obligated to augment the scene of an accident.

When an oncoming vehicle drifts towards your lane, but does not enter it & you choose the ditch, should the oncoming driver be responsible for your over reaction? Because there was no contact, there was no crash that included his car, so he continued down the road.

There is a big difference between choosing the shoulder and choosing the ditch. If the ditch was chosen due to driver incompetence (over-reaction) then I see it as a 1-vehicle accident. It's easy for someone to say that some mythical (insert your moving object here) caused them to crash.

qbrozen · May 2015

I'm so confused about that story. So the quad-cab was coming up behind an SUV... I'm assuming the Blazer they mention? But then they say the "Ford" (quad-cab?) hit his brakes? And then the quad-cab swerved to the center lane? Sooo... the Ford wrecked?? But that's the vehicle they are looking for. WTF?

ruking1 · May 2015

andres3 said:

euphonium said:
Many think if there is no physical contact, they are not obligated to augment the scene of an accident.

When an oncoming vehicle drifts towards your lane, but does not enter it & you choose the ditch, should the oncoming driver be responsible for your over reaction? Because there was no contact, there was no crash that included his car, so he continued down the road.
There is a big difference between choosing the shoulder and choosing the ditch. If the ditch was chosen due to driver incompetence (over-reaction) then I see it as a 1-vehicle accident. It's easy for someone to say that some mythical (insert your moving object here) caused them to crash.

Corollary might be: ALWAYS hit or get hit by the ones you want to blame/involve??

euphonium · May 2015

andres3 said:

euphonium said:
Excellent observation: Why should the inside lane be reserved for law breaking speed maniacs? Our taxes paid for all three or more lanes so I use them. At 2 or 3 above the limit - I'm a LLC who allows you to pass me on the right & that's not wrong. I choose the smoothest lane that hasn't been trucked up.
It is wrong because the law states to allow faster traffic to pass left, which is by far much MUCH MUCH safer. By forcing people to pass on the right you are endangering all of those around you, including yourself. It is just a much riskier Manuela overall for about 100 reasons.

When is the last time you had your speedometer calibrated; do you really know your going 2 or 3 above the limit just because you think it?

Your assertions are not facts. No one is forcing people to pass on the right. They have the choice to remain behind me as well. "100 reasons" is claimed to ensure the driver in front of you gets out of your way. The speedometer in a 2011 Lincoln MKS very accurate & questioning my luxury car is pithy on your part. All you have to do is comply with the speed limit & respect your superiors.

stevedebi · May 2015

euphonium said:

andres3 said:

euphonium said:
Excellent observation: Why should the inside lane be reserved for law breaking speed maniacs? Our taxes paid for all three or more lanes so I use them. At 2 or 3 above the limit - I'm a LLC who allows you to pass me on the right & that's not wrong. I choose the smoothest lane that hasn't been trucked up.
It is wrong because the law states to allow faster traffic to pass left, which is by far much MUCH MUCH safer. By forcing people to pass on the right you are endangering all of those around you, including yourself. It is just a much riskier Manuela overall for about 100 reasons.

When is the last time you had your speedometer calibrated; do you really know your going 2 or 3 above the limit just because you think it?

Your assertions are not facts. No one is forcing people to pass on the right. They have the choice to remain behind me as well. "100 reasons" is claimed to ensure the driver in front of you gets out of your way. The speedometer in a 2011 Lincoln MKS very accurate & questioning my luxury car is pithy on your part. All you have to do is comply with the speed limit & respect your superiors.

Don't necessarily disagree with your comments, but I will note that my last two Fords have had the speedometer off by about 1-2 MPH (the vehicle reports a higher speed than I'm actually driving). I know this because on my C-Max you can access a GPS diagnostic that tells the actual speed of the vehicle. On my older Escape Hybrid, I know because my external GPS device showed the difference.

ruking1 · May 2015

euphonium said:

andres3 said:

euphonium said:
Excellent observation: Why should the inside lane be reserved for law breaking speed maniacs? Our taxes paid for all three or more lanes so I use them. At 2 or 3 above the limit - I'm a LLC who allows you to pass me on the right & that's not wrong. I choose the smoothest lane that hasn't been trucked up.
It is wrong because the law states to allow faster traffic to pass left, which is by far much MUCH MUCH safer. By forcing people to pass on the right you are endangering all of those around you, including yourself. It is just a much riskier Manuela overall for about 100 reasons.

When is the last time you had your speedometer calibrated; do you really know your going 2 or 3 above the limit just because you think it?

Your assertions are not facts. No one is forcing people to pass on the right. They have the choice to remain behind me as well. "100 reasons" is claimed to ensure the driver in front of you gets out of your way. The speedometer in a 2011 Lincoln MKS very accurate & questioning my luxury car is pithy on your part. All you have to do is comply with the speed limit & respect your superiors.

Another STRONG case for passing by all/any lane/s necessary.

qbrozen · May 2015

euphonium said:
Excellent observation: Why should the inside lane be reserved for law breaking speed maniacs? Our taxes paid for all three or more lanes so I use them. At 2 or 3 above the limit - I'm a LLC who allows you to pass me on the right & that's not wrong. I choose the smoothest lane that hasn't been trucked up.

Actually, it is wrong in certain states. It is against the law, and therefore wrong. Using your argument, I should be able to run stop signs and red lights, too. My taxes paid for them, I should use them how I want!

andres3 · May 2015

qbrozen said:
I'm so confused about that story. So the quad-cab was coming up behind an SUV... I'm assuming the Blazer they mention? But then they say the "Ford" (quad-cab?) hit his brakes? And then the quad-cab swerved to the center lane? Sooo... the Ford wrecked?? But that's the vehicle they are looking for. WTF?

I watched the video without volume and didn't see anything of value. Not sure what the commotion is about. Brake checks are illegal, but very hard to prove.

andres3 · May 2015

Your assertions are not facts. No one is forcing people to pass on the right. They have the choice to remain behind me as well. "100 reasons" is claimed to ensure the driver in front of you gets out of your way. The speedometer in a 2011 Lincoln MKS very accurate & questioning my luxury car is pithy on your part. All you have to do is comply with the speed limit & respect your superiors.

Since the point and object of driving is to get from point A to point B for most people, and since most people follow the human psychology of wanting to do that task as fast as safely and comfortably possible, then yes, you do force people to pass right. This is proven in my field tests of slowing down a slow LLC. 9 times out of 10 they'll just pass on the right, proving the left lane really wasn't that important to them, they were just being passive aggressive maniacs.

As your response indicates, you've never calibrated or certified your speedometer. Complying with the speed limit will not eliminate your encounters with being impeded by a LLC. Not all LLC's are as nice as your willingness to exceed that speed limit by 2 to 3 MPH. Some decide 5 to 10 under is perfectly suitable.

Also, as indicated earlier, forcing people to change lanes to pass will cause greater traffic and congestion. People will not be willing to accept your, or anyone else's arbitrarily judged "speed of the day."

xwesx · May 2015

euphonium said:
Many think if there is no physical contact, they are not obligated to augment the scene of an accident.

When an oncoming vehicle drifts towards your lane, but does not enter it & you choose the ditch, should the oncoming driver be responsible for your over reaction? Because there was no contact, there was no crash that included his car, so he continued down the road.

Yeppers. Sounds reasonable to me, at least, that's the typical police response: Basically, that driver lost control and wrecked; bummer.

Eight+ years ago when Mr. Insane ran me off the road and destroyed my Outback, he took off and was held harmless by the police because there was no vehicular contact (duh, that's because I took the ditch to avoid said contact!). I learned my lesson: Anything like that happens in the future, contact WILL be made before I leave the road, or I will at least do my best to ensure it. That way, there's no plausible deniability regardless of other circumstantial (e.g., video like that above) or witness evidence.

ruking1 · May 2015

Really SOS DD ! Pass how one has to!

stever · May 2015

xwesx said:
Anything like that happens in the future, contact WILL be made before I leave the road, or I will at least do my best to ensure it. That way, there's no plausible deniability regardless of other circumstantial (e.g., video like that above) or witness evidence.

Be prepared when the other driver claims it was your fault because you had the opportunity to avoid getting hit.

fintail · May 2015

A friend of mine was T-boned by a teenage girl who ran a stop sign, and she claimed just that - you should have avoided me! The cops didn't buy it. I don't think her insurance company cared for it either, my friend called her insurance to get the process going, and they referenced an accident that she apparently caused a month earlier. Maybe princess finally got grounded.

stever said:

xwesx said:
Anything like that happens in the future, contact WILL be made before I leave the road, or I will at least do my best to ensure it. That way, there's no plausible deniability regardless of other circumstantial (e.g., video like that above) or witness evidence.
Be prepared when the other driver claims it was your fault because you had the opportunity to avoid getting hit.

andres3 · May 2015

Speaking of avoiding not-at-fault accidents; how many of those not-at-fault driverless car accidents could have been avoided all together by a reasonably compentent driver? I think I've avoided my fair share in life.

slorenzen · May 2015

Seems that a dash cam is more than a "nice to have" any more...

People will lie to get out of their responsibilities.

Sad.

Mr_Shiftright · May 2015

I see that California is preparing to legalize lane-splitting by motorcycles up to 50 mph. It's actually not illegal in California, so they either need to ban it or allow it---at least clear up the ambiguity. Then I'll let Darwinism take care of the rest.

xwesx · May 2015

andres3 said:
Speaking of avoiding not-at-fault accidents; how many of those not-at-fault driverless car accidents could have been avoided all together by a reasonably compentent driver? I think I've avoided my fair share in life.

Yeah, same here. And, I'm not talking about failing to avoid. I'm just talking about in situations like the one I was in that night, I'm not going to try quite as hard to avoid the other vehicle prior to the inevitable outcome. The "I don't know, I wasn't there" defense isn't going to fly if they have a matching dent with my paint on it.

stever · May 2015

In my case, I just swerved over the line a little bit in front of @xwesx to avoid that wasp flying around the cabin. So there was plenty of time and opportunity for him to get out of my way.

(How that wasp woke up at 40 below is still a mystery).

ruking1 · May 2015

I have read that even in the case of avoiding animals (same advice applies with cars) that the best thing to do is to just go straight . It would seem like the choice of swerving, was beyond the abilities to recover and proved to be the undoing of the person who got killed .

andres3 · May 2015

ruking1 said:
I have read that even in the case of avoiding animals (same advice applies with cars) that the best thing to do is to just go straight . It would seem like the choice of swerving, was beyond the abilities to recover and proved to be the undoing of the person who got killed .

When swerving, the driver should already know and have taken into account the vehicle they are driving and its handling limits and capabilities, the tires conditions and capabilities, the road and weather conditions, and of course have the situational awareness of any objects around them in any direction.

Going beyond your vehicle's limits and capabilities to try and avoid something is a rookie driver error.

ruking1 · May 2015

andres3 said:

ruking1 said:
I have read that even in the case of avoiding animals (same advice applies with cars) that the best thing to do is to just go straight . It would seem like the choice of swerving, was beyond the abilities to recover and proved to be the undoing of the person who got killed .
When swerving, the driver should already know and have taken into account the vehicle they are driving and its handling limits and capabilities, the tires conditions and capabilities, the road and weather conditions, and of course have the situational awareness of any objects around them in any direction.

Going beyond your vehicle's limits and capabilities to try and avoid something is a rookie driver error.

Thank you for confirming what I have said . However, being a follower of motor sports, it would seem that it's not confined to just rookies , i.e., Indianapolis 500 practice runs, cars seem almost magnetically driven to walls.

andres3 · May 2015

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3801.asp

In case you didn't already know that Speeding and crashes are unrelated. Speeding doesn't come anywhere even close to entering the top of any list when it comes to the causes of accidents in any State.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cause-of-the-most-fatal-car-crashes-2015-5

If you plan on fighting a ticket; be prepared to get run over by unethical people:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/orange_county_prosecutor_misconduct_judge_goethals_takes_district_attorney.single.html

IF they lack ethics in cases that affect people's lives (life), how much ethical consideration can you expect from that group if all that is at stake is your property (money/fines/penalties) from traffic violation accusations?

ruking1 · May 2015

andres3 said:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3801.asp

In case you didn't already know that Speeding and crashes are unrelated. Speeding doesn't come anywhere even close to entering the top of any list when it comes to the causes of accidents in any State.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cause-of-the-most-fatal-car-crashes-2015-5

If you plan on fighting a ticket; be prepared to get run over by unethical people:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/orange_county_prosecutor_misconduct_judge_goethals_takes_district_attorney.single.html

IF they lack ethics in cases that affect people's lives (life), how much ethical consideration can you expect from that group if all that is at stake is your property (money/fines/penalties) from traffic violation accusations?

Yes, I already have long (61 years)known that to be true. BUT it's good that you posted the articles for the general thread.

andres3 · May 2015

On a happy note:

1) The incompetent senile judge in my small claims case for the accident March 2014 finally corrected his problematic math errors after a 2 month delay, and entered a verdict awarding me twice the diminished value Mercury last offered. Now I just need to get the check! It's still far less than the actual diminished value, but it's far better than nothing.

2) The Sheriff that double dipped on my "lack of 2 license plate" charges agreed with my letter to him, and dismissed the 2nd citation that he was the cause of for the same violation/fix-it/correctable ticket.

elias · May 2015

Indeed the MLCs are prevalent on 3-lane-roads in new england. Some other states actually post signs years ago calling left-lane the 'passing' lane, middle-lane 'travel', right-lane 'merge'. I haven't seen those in a while.I find the big problem with MLCs is when I'm travelling faster in left lane, and a mile or two from exit need to merge throught he middle lane to get to the right lane. Often The MLCs are packed so tightly that there is no nice place to merge. In this case sometimes I select the worst tailgator for signal & merge.
( I do this with special warmth and consideration for the other drivers who aren't tailgating as much.)

as for dudes like the euphinator who like/own the smoooth left lane crawling along at the speed limit on long uphills with bigrigs passing on the right, I can't always blame him, as I have had multiple levels of spine replaced. I'm looking into magna-ride for my next vehicle, to help minimize future spine replacements. Either way, I'm glad to pass on the right, euphinator! See average speed table below.
It seems optimal to drive with reverse-lane-discipline, safely yielding wherever possible to all ahead traffic, including traffic in other lanes:
Left-lane: speed limit plus 9.9 mph
middle-lane: speed limit plus 14.9 mph
right-lane: 3 x 10^8 meters/second

to answer A3's question, yes I've had my speedo calibrated. Once by a speed shop which cut a custom speedo gear to match the randomly wrong factory gear on the transmission side (1985).
More recently GM confirmed that reading exactly 3% fast was within the design-spec in 05 GTO. (A hidden diagnostic display shows the real speed in very tiny numbers, while the dashboard pointer and big-LCD-display shows the 3%-fast speed.).
Also at least 25 state police officers help to confirm the accuracy/calibration of my speedometers over the decades during roadside-detentions after I tell them truthfully that I was going "about 80".

as for lane-splitting, i am all for it. cool that Cali is finally codifying it. it was fine in the bay area as far as I saw for my years living there. as usual, california is tops with vehicular/road code. speedtraps are illegal in california, as is traffic enforcement via unmarked cop vehicles.

yes the best choice for an small animal in the road is often to run it over, if you can't stop safely. the most prevalent animals around here are TURKEYS and DEER. I tagged a deer about 20 years ago (vice versa actually). It was not enjoyable, but the deer hobbled/jumped up the santa cruz mountain afterwards.

qbrozen · May 2015

andres3 said:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3801.asp

In case you didn't already know that Speeding and crashes are unrelated. Speeding doesn't come anywhere even close to entering the top of any list when it comes to the causes of accidents in any State.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cause-of-the-most-fatal-car-crashes-2015-5

If you plan on fighting a ticket; be prepared to get run over by unethical people:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/orange_county_prosecutor_misconduct_judge_goethals_takes_district_attorney.single.html

IF they lack ethics in cases that affect people's lives (life), how much ethical consideration can you expect from that group if all that is at stake is your property (money/fines/penalties) from traffic violation accusations?

hahaha... So they ask people "what were you doing when you crashed?" and 98% said "the posted speed limit, sir!"
SHOCKING!

;b

fintail · May 2015

No doubt many incidents blamed on "speed" are really due to impairment or distraction. But,we have to keep the story going, so the fun relationship between speed enforcement and the insurance cabal can remain alive and well.

euphonium · May 2015

fintail said:
No doubt many incidents blamed on "speed" are really due to impairment or distraction. But,we have to keep the story going, so the fun relationship between speed enforcement and the insurance cabal can remain alive and well.

The insurance business is too competitive to enable it to be controlled by a few people i.e. "cabal". The inference reveals the lack of empowerment on the part of the uninformed. Comply with speed limits.

fintail · May 2015

The active and well funded insurance lobby, and link between the speed enforcement industry and this branch of the crooked irresponsible FIRE industry (we'll pay for your radar guns etc) say enough for any educated informed person who can actually cut it in the world today, unlike some who made their gold in a vastly less competitive and demanding environment. I wonder if the monies used for those donations come from motorist premiums.

Comply with the full RCW and get that old Lincoln out of the left lane. Comply with reality, the world is a different place.

euphonium said:

fintail said:
No doubt many incidents blamed on "speed" are really due to impairment or distraction. But,we have to keep the story going, so the fun relationship between speed enforcement and the insurance cabal can remain alive and well.
The insurance business is too competitive to enable it to be controlled by a few people i.e. "cabal". The inference reveals the lack of empowerment on the part of the uninformed. Comply with speed limits.

fintail · May 2015

And on the inconsiderate subject, the sun is out, and every old dork and dbag with a Harley is out revving it up like it's going out of style. It's not 1973 and we're not in a lame biker flick, nobody is impressed.

ruking1 · May 2015

fintail said:
And on the inconsiderate subject, the sun is out, and every old dork and dbag with a Harley is out revving it up like it's going out of style. It's not 1973 and we're not in a lame biker flick, nobody is impressed.

Speaking of a perpetual rolling traffic block, aka LLC er's, they are among the WORST offenders!

euphonium · May 2015

Since when is a four year old Lincoln "old"? Keep up with the times & the speed limits.

fintail · May 2015

That's funny, as the speed limits haven't kept up with the times. In too many cases, my grandfather was able to drive an oversprung underbraked marshmallow of a car with absolutely no safety gear 60 years ago at the same speeds I am able to drive my ultra-modern dozen-airbag safety cage on wheels. Keeping up with the times might hurt revenues. Those who claim to be law-abiding need to respect all laws - if they pick and choose, they are no better than those they castigate. Those who don't make spurious claims, well, not so much.

euphonium said:
Since when is a four year old Lincoln "old"? Keep up with the times & the speed limits.

fintail · May 2015

I bet it's fun in California, with typically better weather more often. I don't see the dorks blocking roads here much, but a lot of them ride like newbies on that 600++ lb machine, and sometimes get wobbly. They can be an adventure to drive beside and/or pass. I don't want to deal with that, even with the dashcam.

ruking1 said:

Speaking of a perpetual rolling traffic block, aka LLC er's, they are among the WORST offenders!

ruking1 · May 2015

fintail said:
I bet it's fun in California, with typically better weather more often. I don't see the dorks blocking roads here much, but a lot of them ride like newbies on that 600++ lb machine, and sometimes get wobbly. They can be an adventure to drive beside and/or pass. I don't want to deal with that, even with the dashcam.

ruking1 said:

Speaking of a perpetual rolling traffic block, aka LLC er's, they are among the WORST offenders!

Normally the power to weight ratio is WAY in favor of the bikes . So you really know it's attitudinal (LLC ing ) . When they want to pass you or split lanes, it is literally a twist of the wrist, aka EFFORTLESS ! Funny how the "outlaws" want to do the vigilanty impersonation.

fintail · May 2015

Twist of the wrist, too often launching one of those heavy things into a median or off a ramp. AFAIK, after the young set on supersportbikes, the next highest casualty group is mature riders on heavy machines.

I like how the "outlaws" are often middle aged accountant and pharmacist types

ruking1 said:

Normally the power to weight ratio is WAY in favor of the bikes . So you really know it's attitudinal (LLC ing ) . When they want to pass you or split lanes, it is literally a twist of the wrist, aka EFFORTLESS ! Funny how the "outlaws" want to do the vigilanty impersonation.

ruking1 · May 2015

fintail said:
Twist of the wrist, too often launching one of those heavy things into a median or off a ramp. AFAIK, after the young set on supersportbikes, the next highest casualty group is mature riders on heavy machines.

I like how the "outlaws" are often middle aged accountant and pharmacist types

ruking1 said:

Normally the power to weight ratio is WAY in favor of the bikes . So you really know it's attitudinal (LLC ing ) . When they want to pass you or split lanes, it is literally a twist of the wrist, aka EFFORTLESS ! Funny how the "outlaws" want to do the vigilanty impersonation.

Yes, BUT no.

..."In two-vehicle crashes, 75 percent of the motorcycles involved in motor vehicle traffic crashes collided with the vehicles in the front of them. Only 7 percent were struck in the rear."...

The NHTSA has noted for any number of years , the epidemic qualities of both the motor bikes's accidents and fatalities rates. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/812035.pdf

This is against the back drop of some of the LOWEST PVF accidents and fatalities rates, since they have been recording them.

imidazol97 · May 2015

ruking1 said:
..."In two-vehicle crashes, 75 percent of the motorcycles involved in motor vehicle traffic crashes collided with the vehicles in the front of them. Only 7 percent were struck in the rear."...

In this region there are little yellow stickers that people put on their cars tell others to Watch Out for Motorcycles, implying that other drivers cause the motorcycle accidents. Some people even have
yellow yard signs like campaign posters on wire holders.

Sounds like the data shows that motorcyclists should watch out for cars!!!! LOL.

imidazol97 · May 2015

Had an inconsiderate driver in small sleepy town pull out in front of me last night. She stopped at sign on side street, but seemed to start to move. I hit the brights and that scared her when she realized she was pulling out
in front of a car she hadn't seen.

Luckily I was NOT speeding and was going about 30 in 35 zone on highway. I was alert as she started to move out and hit brakes and bright lights. I can't believe how short my leSabre stopped. I would have hit her possibly if she had slammed on brakes after starting to turn toward me onto highway. But she hit the gas and instead of making left turn toward me, she went straight across; that left more distance between us.

I cranked wheels left and followed her to get her license plate number. Then continued on my way down the sleepy highway HOPING that the LEO would be at a typical place running radar on out-of-towners at south end of town. I was going to suggest he might patrol more and remind this young girl's parents that she needs to be careful.

I saw no cellphone. AND the LEO was not in his money-making spot. The small town has a fancy police car with license reading cameras on both sides of trunk. Town of 4500 with 1 McDonalds and 1 stoplight. Really nothing more going for it now. But the LEO is always out looking for speeds on the 2 highways through town. LOL

Time for portable camera in dash that I can move between two cars.

ruking1 · May 2015

imidazol97 said:

ruking1 said:
..."In two-vehicle crashes, 75 percent of the motorcycles involved in motor vehicle traffic crashes collided with the vehicles in the front of them. Only 7 percent were struck in the rear."...
In this region there are little yellow stickers that people put on their cars tell others to Watch Out for Motorcycles, implying that other drivers cause the motorcycle accidents. Some people even have
yellow yard signs like campaign posters on wire holders.

Sounds like the data shows that motorcyclists should watch out for cars!!!! LOL.

I would also agree!

I think there is also a scam (i.e., insurance) going on, but I do not know the details. Because of the FALSE narrative/s, that you cite, I surmise many to a majority of motor bike riders carry inadequate to NO insurance/s. So in those accidents and fatalities segments, the "deeper pockets" are usually the car drivers. This gets falsely converted to: now it is always the car's fault until the motor bike is proven @ fault, WAY beyond reasonable doubt.

In fact, IF they should (CA) codify/ies so called "lane splitting", it should be legal for CARS to be able to split lanes with motorcycles ! The majority of the time, it is initiated or done by motorcycles TO cars! My anecdotal experiences seem to be that most to all motorcycle drivers do not like it @ all !! ???? I wonder why?

I also think its about time bicycle riders carry insurance/s also. I know that in cities and rural popular hiking and biking and equestrian trails, there are simmering animosities and accidents caused by bicycle riders that go unfunded. Bike riders routinely scoff @ traffic laws.

euphonium · May 2015

ruking1 said:

imidazol97 said:

ruking1 said:
..."In two-vehicle crashes, 75 percent of the motorcycles involved in motor vehicle traffic crashes collided with the vehicles in the front of them. Only 7 percent were struck in the rear."...
In this region there are little yellow stickers that people put on their cars tell others to Watch Out for Motorcycles, implying that other drivers cause the motorcycle accidents. Some people even have
yellow yard signs like campaign posters on wire holders.

Sounds like the data shows that motorcyclists should watch out for cars!!!! LOL.

I would also agree!

I think there is also a scam (i.e., insurance) going on, but I do not know the details. Because of the FALSE narrative/s, that you cite, I surmise many to a majority of motor bike riders carry inadequate to NO insurance/s. So in those accidents and fatalities segments, the "deeper pockets" are usually the car drivers. This gets falsely converted to: now it is always the car's fault until the motor bike is proven @ fault, WAY beyond reasonable doubt.

In fact, IF they should (CA) codify/ies so called "lane splitting", it should be legal for CARS to be able to split lanes with motorcycles ! The majority of the time, it is initiated or done by motorcycles TO cars! My anecdotal experiences seem to be that most to all motorcycle drivers do not like it @ all !! ???? I wonder why?

I also think its about time bicycle riders carry insurance/s also. I know that in cities and rural popular hiking and biking and equestrian trails, there are simmering animosities and accidents caused by bicycle riders that go unfunded. Bike riders routinely scoff @ traffic laws.

The bicycle rider's Homeowner policy automatically covers his Liability exposure unless used commercially.

ruking1 · May 2015

Again the issues, are same : inadequate to NO insurance.

andres3 · May 2015

Seems to me I'm just coming off a case where 2 insurance giants colluded and conspired to complicate subrogation when I always have first right to be made whole. They both know I have the right to be made whole first, but that didn't stop them from colluding and conspiring against me to get me the least amount of money as far down the road from the date of the accident as possible.

I'm not happy with my Small Claims judge, but at least he was able to admit he was mistaken in his first award ruling judgment.

Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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