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  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Look for the 'swoosh' on that windscreen. I'm sure it's strategically placed.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Would probably be cheaper if it was. Actually, I think they're made in Germany and resold by Volvo.

    Agcpa, I agree they definitely seem/are way overpriced. You done good on your price. I paid dealer price, around $350 including tax. Several months later there was one on Ebay that went for around $200. Oh well. Believe the price was increased when the mounting hole in the back was changed from a slot to a circle. For my wife, it was money well spent to keep her hair from blowing. For us, the reduction in buffeting was dramatic, just as Volvo advertised.
  • shark715shark715 Member Posts: 382
    I replaced the original Pirelli's on my wife's '02 C70 (with 17" wheels) after 19K miles. The Pirellis were getting louder and louder with age. I bought Falken Ziex's, mainly because they were top rated in Consumer Reports, but also because we have an occasional need to drive in light snow. The Falken's are rated M&S and the Pirelli's were strictly summer tires. So far I've been very pleased with the Falkens. They have about 5K miles on them. They are MUCH quieter than the Pirellis. I love the way the 17" wheels look on the car, but the tradeoff is that the low sidewalls make for a significantly stiffer ride. It feels like the Falkens have softer sidewalls as the ride is noticeably less harsh than the Pirellis on a bumpy road. My guess is that there may be some tradeoff in terms of high performance handling (given the softer sidewalls and M&S tread pattern), but we rarely play "Rodney Race Car Driver" with this car. Also, the Pirellis were useless in the snow, and the Falkens are just O.K. I guess any tire of this size is going to tend to float in the snow (rather than dig in) because of the width.
  • shark715shark715 Member Posts: 382
    The reason the owner's manual mentions letting the engine idle for several minutes after hard driving is to let the turbo cool, but it's not the air in the engine compartment that cools the turbo...it's the engine oil which by design passes through and cools the bearings in the turbo. When you shut down your engine, the circulation of the engine oil through the turbo stops, too. If you shut down an engine with a hot turbo, whatever oil is in the turbo at that time is going to continue to get heated well beyond the tempature the oil is formulated to endure. If the oil gets hot enough, when the oil eventually cools it will tend to turn into a crusty carbon like substance which will prevent fresh oil from properly getting to the bearings in your turbo in the future. And given that turbos spin up to 100,000 RPM, the bearings won't tend to last long without proper lubrication. At a truck stop you will often notice that truckers will run their turbodiesel engines for several minutes after arriving before shutting them down. It's for the same reason...to prevent damage to the turbo. You definitely want to follow the owner's manual. If you don't, you will be a VERY unhappy Volvo owner when you hear the cost of a new Volvo turbocharger.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,934
    all true, but air circulating past the turbo and past the engine (where the oil is) certainly does not hurt cooling. Also, the high-pressure turbo in these vehicles does not spin up until beyond 2k rpms. So driving around at low speeds keeps the rpms below that point and, therefore, is just as effective at accomplishing the task as sitting still idling.

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  • shark715shark715 Member Posts: 382
    qbrozen, Agreed. The turbo will sufficiently cool down by driving more moderately for 5-10 minutes before shutting the engine down. One other thing to point out (and I don't beleive the Volvo owners manuals mention this) is that you also want to avoid driving your car hard until the engine is thoroughly warmed up...at least several miles. This is because until your engine is throughly warmed up, some of the parts don't fit quite as well as they do once the engine is fully warmed to its designed operating temperature, and the different materials used on different parts expand at different rates as they are being warmed up. Problems caused by things not fitting quite right can be exasperated by driving a vehicle hard before it's fully warmed up. For example, it's not unusual for a failed head gasket to be attributed to this issue. And the stresses a turbocharger places on a engine make this issue even more pronounced. A great way to extend the life of any engine is to warm it for several minutes before driving the vehicle, especially in colder weather, but there's even a benefit in warmer weather.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    What you really don't want to do with a turbo is to shut the engine off with the turbo still spinning really fast. Some people still have the habit from their dads of revving the engine before shutting it down. This comes from the "old days" of when cars had inefficient generators.

    Another not so good scenario is exiting a freeway after miles of high speed hot driving and pulling into a service station and immediately shutting off the engine.
  • soledocsoledoc Member Posts: 52
    Well I did it. Turned in my beautiful 2001 C70 coupe. I hated to do it but it had to be done. I've now got a 2004 S60 T5 nautic blue/graphite leather split indigo cloth interior/xenon/moonroof/touring/climate/sport packages. It is very nice indeed. Only about 500 miles but here's my impression compared to the C70 so far:

    1. Definitely nice to have four doors with a small child
    2. Pick up in the GT 247 hp is a bit faster than the 236 HPT MT in the C70
    3. Love love love the color combination
    (check out the photos here http://pbase.com/soledoc_t5
    4. Sport suspension on S60 is a bit tighter
    5. Better wheels on S60 which are 17" amalthea vs. the 16" I had on C70
    6. A lot of people tell me it looks like my C70...which is a GOOD thing in my mind...that's what I was going for...a subtle change
    7. Radio is equal
    8. Seats are equal...maybe a bit better in C70
    9. Don't like the 20 mph increments in S60 (10 in C70)
    10. I like the green on black display in S60 over the black on green background in C70 (minor detail)

    I'll keep you updated. I'm trying to keep my local dealership to buy my C70. They were all drooling when I brought it in. Two of the guys that work there are seriously considering buying it. I hope they do so it stays in the family. But if anybody sees an '01 C70 Coupe nautic blue/beige interior with dolby and a unique marble wood interior trim let me know...that's my car!!
  • soledocsoledoc Member Posts: 52
    Sorry about that address...here's the correct link to the pics of my C70 replacement:

    http://www.pbase.com/soledoc/S60_t5
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,934
    congrats, soledoc. Hey, at least its still a Volvo.

    shifty - that's a good point about the service station stop. I think that's the toughest one to avoid.

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  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Four doors are a good thing. Beautiful pictures, by the way. Check back in with us from time to time.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Nice looking 60 there Soledoc. I have the same complaint about the 90 with regards to the spedometer. Don't like the 20 mph intervals. Especially not needed on the 90 as I was only able to get it up to 125 and that was downhill with a stiff wind and slipstreaming a Ferarri.
  • stevenh7stevenh7 Member Posts: 33
    My new C70 has 17" Michelin Pilots. When it's time for new tires, to allow for a smoother ride and to put on an all-season tire that would be good in the winter, is it at all smart to get new 16" rims and tires? I know it wouldn't look as nice but a smoother ride would be nice as long as handling isn't greatly impacted.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Steven:

    I honestly don't know what I'm going to do this year. My dealer says that Volvo only offers a 15 inch snow tire and that it is $650 for the rims and tires.

    I have not been made aware of an 'adequate' all season 17 inch tire that provides help in the snow. My Pilots were horrible and my Potenzas are not much better.

    Perhaps Soledoc can provide some guidance?????? (If he's still around).

    Something tells me that Tmart isn't gonna be any help on this one.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    What are snow tires anyway?? I've heard of men made of snow, but not tires and wheels!
  • shark715shark715 Member Posts: 382
    Schuhc, are you familar with Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22's? They do make them in size 225/45-17, and one of my friends has them on his BMW 5 series. He swears by them, and they do seem to work as advertised. I also recall that either Car and Driver and/or Road and Track gave them high marks too. Needless to say, winter tires are somewhat of a compromise...you car won't handle as well as with summer tires, but at least you have a better shot of getting through the snow. You can find info on them at tirerack.com.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Danke Dudie!!!!

    Looks like I'll be purchasing a set of those this winter. In Chicago winters we really don't worry about winter handling....Just getting somewhere is good.

    Tommy...They're called SNOW TIRES....The wheels are made of ICE...Otherwise they wouldn't be able to handle the weight of the car...
    "Snow wheels"....sheesh! Durn Astro-lovers!!!
  • juliejulie Member Posts: 2
    I have 04 C70 and the vehicle is less then 1 yrs. old. Two weeks ago, I had to take it for repairs to the hindge. When I put the top down I heard a lound CRACK sound and then it tore the leather panel. The dealer fixed the hindge, but the leather panel is on back order for replacement. The service guy told me that has never happened, but I was not trying to put the top down while I was driving. I told him, how is that possible if the brake has to be up in order to put the top down.
  • otisotis Member Posts: 12
    My wife and I are just starting our C70 ownership experience. Everything's great so far...none of the problems listed at Edmunds has cropped up for us. My quick question for anyone who might know is what are Volvo's plans for the C70 line? My dealer said there would be no 2005 C70 but the 2004 model might be extended until introduction of a smaller C50...is that right? Has anyone seen what this C50 might look like?
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    I have seen a picture of the new model at the dealership (retractable hardtop) and it looks pretty nice.

    if you go into Google and type in volvo c50 there will be some good pic sites

    http://info.detnews.com/autosinsider/sneakpeek/index.cfm?id=14074
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    a news release I saw on a Volvo site. It won't be a C50. Craig, good picture!
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Here's the copy:

      Media ID: 1979 Date: Apr 15, 2004
     

    Next convertible officially named C70
    Despite what several magazines and newspapers have reported recently, the upcoming all-new Volvo convertible will not be called the C50. The new car will retain the C70 nomenclature that began when the first convertible was launched in 1998. A few publications have even gone so far as to offer some highly inaccurate "artist renderings" of the new car and, while no official photos have been released for the premium drop-top, you can bet that - just like original - the new C70 will be drop-dead gorgeous.
     
    The link is http://www.volvocars-pr.com/index.asp?mediaid=1979&menupar=ne- wsroom&lang=1&flash=1&menuhighlight=hotoff
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    Will be based on the P1 chassis(New S40)
    4 seater w/ retracting hardtop.
    5 cyl turbo engine, AWD.
    Due Summer 2005

    Current car goes out of production in Sept.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    to ask, but any idea as to pricing?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    supposed to be less than the current C70.
    Car will be built in greater numbers, somewhere around 20,000 units instead of 5,000 units.
  • stevenh7stevenh7 Member Posts: 33
    I notice that the C70 has a bit of body roll going around corners and feels alittle floaty at times, is this a factor of 16" vs 17" wheels? I'm coming off a Prelude which is much lighter and lower so maybe I'm just used to a different kind of ride. Of course I've never had leather before so not used to slipping around the seat (lol).
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Steven.....

    Coupe or Cvt?
  • soledocsoledoc Member Posts: 52
    I never did find a good 17 inch snow tire. The best you can do on a C70 is the 16" snows. I liked my Bridgestone Potenza RE950s for all season. They worked well in Indianapolis and the occasional trip to Chicago.

    thanks for the support guys. I kind of feel like a trader going with the S60 and my heart sinks every time I see a C70. I'll let you know what my dealer/volvo does with my coupe.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    "I'll let you know what my dealer/volvo does with my coupe."

    You probably shouldn't. Tommy and I will get all emotional and anytime we someone in your car with the nondescript wood we may just lose it and go after him because it doesn't seem right to us that he's driving your car.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Steven, do you have 16 inchers? I've got the 17 inchers on my convertible, with Pirelli P6000's, and don't feel any body roll at all. It's kinda spooky how flat it stays in turns and with no squeal from the tires.
  • stevenh7stevenh7 Member Posts: 33
    I have a Coupe with 17" Michelin Pilots.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Interesting. I have a coupe as well with 17'' and have never noticed a 'roll' issue. My turning always tends to be very tight and I can feel a lot of the road in my 2000.

    Of course my past cars were a 96 Blazer and a 73 TR6. Can't compare the Blazer and the coupe for obvious reasons. As far as the Triumph goes, I was happy when it actually ran so....

    My original thinking was that you would notice more 'roll' with a convertible than with a coupe, but seems as if Tommy's baby is pretty tight as well.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Craig, your thinking is probably correct. The converts come with the "comfort" suspension and the coupes have the "sport" suspension. One would assume the sport should be firmer and with less body roll than the comfort. I've never been in the coupe so I can't make a comparison. I suppose the optional 17 inchers make a real difference even with the comfort. Maybe Volvomax can clarify the differences between the two suspensions.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    The coupes and HT converts come w/ the sport suspension.
    Different shock and springs.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,934
    Just another suggestion, but I put continental contiextremecontact tires on my T5 just before this past winter and I've been very happy with their snow, wet, and dry traction. The survey results on tirerack prompted me to make the choice and they were dead on. They do come in 17".

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  • rnoldrnold Member Posts: 6
  • rnoldrnold Member Posts: 6
    My 1999 C70 sometimes dies out after starting. I must then wait several minutes to try again. It eventually starts and I give it the gas so it won't stall out again. The dealer has run tests and says that the "immobilizer" needs to be replaced along with all my keys ($580.00). Is this problem common? Is there some other solution?
    Thanks!
  • biancarbiancar Member Posts: 965
    Anyone know much about the new C70 (if that's what it will be called) coming out next year? Are there likely to be great sales on any leftover 2004 C70's towards the end of the model run?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    the current C70 ends production in Sept.
    Inventories of the current car are low and will remain so, with most of the final run going to CA, AZ and the sunbelt states.

    The new C70 will not arrive in the US until the fall of 2005.

    As for deals on the current car, it will depend on inventories and time of purchase.
  • georgiac70georgiac70 Member Posts: 1
    where did you find the maf sensor for $162? i am having the same problem on my 99 lt with 34k. p1171, what a code!
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Well, after 3 years I had the passenger low beam headlight go out and had to replace it myself. The first time was while under warranty and the recall. It was without a doubt the easiest replacement I've ever done on any car, van or minivan. Took maybe 2 minutes max. Went ahead and replaced the drivers side while the hood was up. Figured when one went out, the other wouldn't be far behind. Couldn't believe how easy and quick it was. One thing that surprised me though was the high and low beams use the same type bulb! Those effecient Swedes! The high beams appear to be just as easy.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Headlights!!!!!!
    Hah!!!!!!

    I can't wait til your fog lights go out. Then you tell me how efficient those Swedes are!!!!! As I was a city dweller, I didn't have ramps when mine went out. Now THOSE were a PAIN!!!!! It's a good thing they made the headlights easy.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Fortunately, I don't use them that much. I actually use the rear fog much more than the fronts. I use it whenever there's heavy rain, which in Houston is quite frequent.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    Just got Goldie back from her 37.5k checkup and she's good to go for the next 7.5k.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    So...of course after exclaiming what a nightmare the foglamps are, one burned out. Had the ramps this time and it was much easier to replace.

    Also....
    replaced the hose that goes from the radiator overflow to the engine this weekend. I thought that the service department had sliced it as it is 75k miles old and they had recently done work on that side of the car.
    Turns out that the hose was actually fine. Volvo still has the 'screw clamps' that I used to have on my 73 TR6. Turns out that they had the clamp on an angle which was causing the leaking.
  • soledocsoledoc Member Posts: 52
    Hey guys...hope I'm still welcome on this board. I saw a saffron coupe today...and thought of you. I've had my S60 for 2 months now. I do like it, but certainly miss my C70 coupe. I'm not sorry I made the switch...but the S60 is no C70.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Hey Tommy....

    Think we got Soledoc right where we want him. He's sitting there right now in Indianapolis saying..."Gosh...If only I had those 17inchers on the C70 like I now do on my 2.5 60. Wonder if my wife would mind giving up the Saab for this car. I can still get my 70 back...I know I can!!"
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,240
    The Saffron coupe really caught my eye too when it came out in 98. It's really a shame it was a one year color, like my gold 99. Glad you're enjoying the S60, but remember you can still get a C70 in the topless version!!
  • soledocsoledoc Member Posts: 52
    Just for the record, my S60 is a T5..a bit faster than the 2.5T. Wife does like driving this one b/c it's a GT. She's actually giving up her SAAB for a Porsche Cayenne (YUK!) instead of the XC90
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    European Delivery Program
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