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Subaru Crew - Meet The Members II

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  • rangerron7rangerron7 Posts: 317
    "You veel beleev in das SUV, Herr Juice!"

    Ha Ha!
  • jeijei Posts: 143
    means? A rally team?

    John
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    The Cayenne shows just how attractive the SUV market is to auto manufacturers. Even a sports car company like Porsche can't resist getting a piece of the action.

    Ken
  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    I posted something on a Mazda site about Subarus having won "industry awards," such as the CU "Best Buy" award for Forester. Someone has challenged me for a listing. The Subaru site has a partial listing, and I keep coming up with repetitive information about WRX. Can you direct me to anything that would be more comprehensive?
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    1988
    Justy - "MotorWeek" TV-Driver's Choice Award, "Best Bargain Car"
    Legacy - Federation International de l'Automobile World Land Speed Endurance Record

    1989
    Legacy sets two world and 13 international endurance and speed records

    1990
    Legacy - Home Mechanix "Easy Maintenance Car of the Year"

    1991
    Subaru SVX - Popular Science "Best of What's New"

    Subaru SVX - Automotive Industries "Car of the Year: Annual Engineering Award"

    1992
    Subaru SVX - Automobile Magazine "1992 All Stars"

    1995
    Outback - Popular Science Magazine "Best of What's New"

    1996
    Impreza - J. D. Powers & Associates "Best Compact Car"

    Outback - MotorWeek TV "Driver's Choice Award"

    1997
    Forester - Consumers Digest Magazine "Best Buy"

    Forester - AAA 1998 Top Car Awards Outback - Motorweek TV "Driver's Choice Award"

    1998
    Forester - New England Motor Press Assn. "Best in Class"

    Legacy - Kiplinger's Magazine "Best New Car"

    Forester - Consumers Digest "Best Buy"

    2000
    Legacy top performer in IIHS crash tests

    Outback takes First Place, Seat of the Pants Class, 2000 Alcan Rally

    Outback - Northwest Automotive Press Assn. "Best in Class"

    Forester - Consumers Digest "Best Buy" third consecutive year

    2001
    The 2002 Impreza WRX voted “Most Fun to Drive” by Auto Week Magazine.


    Sport Compact Car Magazine names the Impreza WRX one of the Eight Great Rides of 2001.

    Subaru of America, Inc. receives the “Consumers Voice Award” from Planetfeeback.com.

    -Dave
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    Dave,

    you know what's odd?

    in 2000 a Subaru Impreza 2.5RS WON the Alcon 5000 outright! Paul Eklund of www.getprimitive.com was one of the drivers.

    But since they beat the factory Outback H6 effort, of course the Outback gets the footnote in (subaru's own) history.

    -Colin
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Don't to forget this one too:


    On October 30, 1996, the Forester won the renowned Hulman Trophy* for setting a new world record with an average speed of 180.082 km/h in the 24-hour challenge at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.


    http://www.fhi.co.jp/subaru/bode27.htm

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,710
    Whether Porsche should be building an SUV, or not is not the point. The point is Porsche made a gutty call by deciding to do build an SUV, just as Chrysler did with the PT Cruiser, Prowler and Viper. Being "predictable" and "safe" is what Chevy does, not Subaru (or at least I hope not).

    As to whether the Porsche SUV will be a success; I wouldn't bet against it... Their product planners know what they're doing. And, judging by their teaser ads, I suspect it will be more than capable off-road. In fact, I'm sure Porsche will off-road race it, just to prove its capabilities.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Hmm, see 90% of the US off-roading isn't RACING, has nothing to do with racing, and racing one doesn't prove anything, at least for the US off-road market. Same reason that the Pajero (montero) wins Paris-Dakkar, they are made for those type of events where there are pseudo roads, here people do rock crawling and stuff like that. But we'll see when it comes out, I'm sure it will be a hit @ the Country Clubs and wedding banquets of the rich people.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,710
    Just looking over these new brochures I've noticed:

    • Outback H-6 has the same wood/leather steering wheel as ours, but with the MOMO logo in the center, like the WRX.

    • Outback H-6 has a thin chrome ring around the instruments. It looks real classy.

    • Outback H-6 has a different front bumper from ours.

    • Outback H-6 still has the old pop-out-of-the-dash cupholder.

    • Outback H-6 has blackwall tires. Why can't we get those here?

    • Outback H-6 has a self-leveling rear suspension.

    • Outback H-6 has 215/60x16 tires.

    • Outback H-6 has a full-size spare tire.

    • Legacy 2.5 GX has 205/50x16 tires (not 55 section).

    • Legacy 2.5 GX has wheels that look like the ones found on our Outback Sport. They look great!

    • Forester has headlight washers.

    • Forester turbo has a blacked out mesh grille, and it looks great!

    • Forester (not turbo) has a dual-range 5-speed tranny (we already knew that).

    • Forester turbo has chrome rims around the instruments, like the H-6 Outback.

    • Forester has two fold-down, seat-mounted, front armrests.

    • Forester has self-leveling rear suspension.

    • Forester, Impreza (except WRX), and Legacy have hill-holder clutches.

    • WRX has 17" tires
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    locke2c Mar 4, 2002 4:27pm

    Marketing decision I bet. But what's so bad with "1st place goes to the RS and Outback takes second"?

    I thought the H6 debut in 2001?
    Oh wait, we get MY2001 in 2000...[brain fart] :D

    -Dave
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,735
    how do you guys manage to find the time to keep up this kind of dialog during the work day? I'm struggling to keep up!

    The arguments have been thought provoking and compelling. And just maybe I am softening my stand against the 'box' a bit, but not yet ready to give in. It is fundamentally a decent idea, but I cannot help but see the 'dark side' of potential abuse. One mile over the limit is breaking the law, and that could be the 'wiggle room' for your insurance company to invalidate your coverage.

    A couple of thoughts on some constitutional issues raised during the weekend. Forgive me if I don't have this exact, for it has been a long time since school. Where is a copy of that old parchment when you need it???

    Our forefathers were very insightful about the need for governmental expansion, and included something known as the 'elastic clause'. Championed by the Federalists, it allows the offices of government to expand to accommodate technological advances and other challenges. Without it, constitutional amendments would be needed to create departments like NTSB, NHTSC, EPA, DOT, etc. State constitutions have similar provisions. And hence, driving became a privilege granted by our government. Essentially an usurpation of power(?). After all, before 1905 (or so), you didn't need govt approval to pilot your horse & buggy, or that early motorized beast?

    But arguing the other side was Jefferson and the Republican-Democrats. In the name of non-intrusive govt, they inserted a clause saying (paraphrased) that any power not specifically granted to the govt remained the province of the populace. That provides the protection of day-to-day personal mobility. So while the govt regulates the equipment on your automobile and 'how' you drive, 'where' you go should remain personal and private. I would think then that using your car to track your whereabouts without a court order should be a protected right of privacy.

    But I am also willing to bet that I am a far better engineer than a constitutional lawyer!! Go ahead - throw some stones thru this argument... ;-)

    Steve
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    I don't think so, the gutty call is to avoid the "me too" mentality. Especially when VW is going to be selling a version of the same vehicle, the Tuareg. BMW and Mercedes already made sedans and station wagons, Mercedes has been making G-Wagens since 1924, along with trucks so it wasn't as large a stretch for them to make an SUV. Porsche has always been sports cars, same as Ferrari. I agree with paisan, this will not be an off road vehicle. The PT Cruiser, Viper, Prowler were concept car hits that filled new niches, or made bold statements about Chrysler styling and engineering. The Porsche SUV is an X5 copycat, and is at least 2 years too late to the market. I for one will not look at Porsche the same as I have done in the past, and I know plenty of others that feel the same.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    The 10th Amendment gave the power not granted to the federal Goverment to the State Governments, not the populace per se. That is why your State Govt. sets the rules by which you get the privelege to drive.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    If you go to Subaru.com, check out the Baja microsite. There is a game there called the Baja Quest with some pretty decent prizes. It's pretty self explanatory, but I wanted to make sure you all check it out. I'd love to see someone for the Edmunds crew win!

    Patti
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Ok this morning I was watching the news, and saw a commercial for a Hondah Civic with 4 kids in it. They are listening to the radio munching on food etc, when the 4th kid gets in he says "Where are we going?" The other 3 kids turn silent and look at him like he is nutz and the music stops. Then one of the other kids turns to the others and says "Where are we going?!? Duh!" and the camera pans back and they are just sitting in the parked car.

    I think Subaru needs to counter that with 4 kids getting into the WRX with Auto-x Helmets and asking "where are we going?" with an answer of "the track or racing school" or something along those lines!

    -mike
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    I can't figure out that commercial. It doesn't seem to make you want to check out how the car performs. I guess it's directed to folks who care about looks alone. Ahhhh - youth!

    Patti
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    for the test today (boy/girl) are you going to share with us or do we have to wait until the big day comes? If you tell us now, we can all "help" with your name choices! I'm sure you would welcome the assistance ;~}

    Patti
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Boy R!cers!

    :)

    -mike
  • storytellerstoryteller Posts: 476
    So now we're scripting Subaru advertisements here? There's one I want to see because it is based on a real life incident. Maybe they can do this one when Crocodile Dundee's contract runs out.

    The camera comes in on what is obviously a lawyer's office. The lawyer is in his chair, looking over the desk at a divorcing couple in the process of dividing the family goods. The male of the couple says, "I'd want you to have the oriental rug, sweetheart. It always meant so much to you." She sniffs with appreciation and tells him to be sure to take the LazyBoy, the TV and its remote.

    They go on tenderly splitting up their possessions until one of them mentions the Outback. "You'll get the Outback over my dead body," she says through gritted teeth. He challenges her, she retorts and as the camera pulls back the lawyer's office erupts in a screaming fight as both of them insist that all they want from the marriage is custody of the Outback.
  • lucien2lucien2 Posts: 2,984
    Ok 1st off its "gutsy" not "gutty." "Gutty" makes you all sound like fishmongers or something.

    2nd, I spent 2 and a half hours last night as part of an automobile focus group. I've spent my entire morning web allocation sifting through the posts all you jobless slackers cranked out yesterday (j/k :-)) ) so I don't have time to go into the details right now, but hear this and hear it well: the SUV is dead. Detroit will try and push the niche as hard as possible to squeeze as much profit out of it as possible, especially since GM has spent no money on cars now for a while; but everyone else is grabbing thier hats and heading for the door. I don't know which manufacturer this firm was working for, but the purpose of the group was to help plan a new model. The message they got was loud and clear from our group- crossover, baby. Afterward, the moderator (a career car-market researcher) told me, "SUVs are done."

    To that end, I think the Cayenne is more in the sportwagon vein than the truck vein.
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    subaru_team Mar 5, 2002 5:34am

    The ad reminded me of a story that goes something like, "a friend bought a new Norton bike with all the money he had. He pushed it back home, pushed it around the neighborhood,... did that till the next paycheck came around"

    So when the commercial when "Where are we going?!? Duh!" I went, hehehe they got no money for gas :D

    -Dave
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Lucien I hope you are right. Maybe they can go back to making SUVs for those of us who use em as they were originally meant to be used for! :) We need more SMVs not SUVs :)

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,710
    I have to believe their product planners know what they're doing. I suspect that the main reason for the Cayenne is not the "me too" thinking, but rather survival; or at least survival as determined/desired by Porsche bean counters. I'm sure Porsche has seen more than a fair share of their customers trade in their 911s and Boxsters for BMW X5s (and Land Rovers), and want to stop the customer drain.

    As to it's of road capability, my understanding is that it "will" have a low range, so that suggests more than meager off-road capability to me.

    Loosh, the people in the market study you attended will most likely never consider a Porsche (of any kind), so yes, for the "mainstream," crossovers appear to be the future. Porsche, like Land Rover, has never been a mainstream brand. There will always be a market for a true off-roader, small though it may be. Despite what everyone says here, I'm sure Porsche will sell every Cayenne they make.

    Bob
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    How about an ad for the WRX that starts out like the Honda Civic ad:
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    3 kids in a Civic, the fourth jumps in and asks "Where are we going?".

    "Anywhere! Lets go!" and the kids are ready to pull out of their parking spot when the driver looks into his side mirror and sees the distinctive WRX headlights coming down the road. With turbo at full boost, the WRX whizzes by! All four kids stare in silence at the tailights of the WRX with their mouths hanging open.

    "Where are we going? Duh!" The kids somberly go back to their hanging out in the Civic.

    Zoom up to the WRX. See four kids with huge grins on their faces inside.

    Pan out. Ending shot with the WRX going down twisites with the captions "The Beauty of AWD".
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    So, Patti, when do I start my job as Marcom director for SOA?

    Ken
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    << As to it's of road capability, my understanding is that it "will" have a low range, so that suggests more than meager off-road capability to me. >>

    Bob, take a look at the Imprezas in your UK brochure. Even the base Impreza wagons (1.6 & 2.0) have a lo-range. :-D

    -Dennis
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    Now I'm really baffled as to why they took that feature away from the North American market.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Do the vehicles with low range have AWD? I'm pretty sure that none of the Lo-range equipped subarus in the US had AWD, only 4wd. When not in 4wd (which could only be used in low traction) they were FWD. Just a thought.

    -mike
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Mike,

    I checked the SOJ website and the models with lo-range have the same AWD system as those without.

    Ken
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