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Subaru Crew - Future Models II



  • bblachabblacha Posts: 160
    Any objective statistics course will teach that representative sample "selection", not sample "size", affects reliability of surveys. CR lets its sample select itself - it's skewed even if they have a gazillion responses. (They have 675,000.)

    That said, I've yet to find a better reliability measure than CR.

    Juice - how did you get your hands on that data? Curious...

  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    juice how were you able to get the data? I was as a subscriber years ago and I asked for the data both by phone and in writing and was rejected. Were you able to get the current data or really old data?
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Someone should write CR and ask for more info on their Baja ratings (size of sample, examples of problems, etc.)

  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    Simple, screw CR ! They have been very geeky lately.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oh, in editorials here and there. They often put info in press releases that they don't include in their magazine. Not that I've seen a lot of it, just some here and there. You'll see mention of unpublished details in other newspapers and publications, too.

    It's been a while since I took Stat, did so twice, Undergrad and then Grad school.

    From what I can remember, I'd love to see them publish Confidence Intervals. Then they could rate a car with, say, 90 or 95% likelihood of having X number of problems in the time frame observed. That would be more scientific.

    But the public doesn't study statistics, so they have to dumb it down.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Let's just look at that 675,000 number for a second. Subaru has 1% market share so let's say roughly 6,750 of those are Subies, not a lot really.

    Now, how many of those are Bajas? Maybe 5% or so, sales weighted.

    Actually, no, sorry, that's 5% per year, but Baja has only been out for one model year. So you're talking about, what 20k Bajas out of maybe 2 million Subarus that would qualify as new enough for their ratings?

    Pulling some more guesstimates out of my, um, calculator, that's about 1%. 1% of 6750 is 68 vehicles.

    A tiny sample, we can all agree.

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    "Different engine, Beanboy. 2.0t vs 2.5t."

    True, but the 2.5T would have been used in the FXT, Baja Turbo and STi for a year.

  • pon1pon1 Posts: 196
    Seeing the Legacy GT and the OBi for the first time at our local show this afternoon.

    Anyone got any burning questions....other than price and availability?

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure they've published the ground clearance spec on the regular Legacy 2.5i and GT, see if they know those now.

    Maybe final curb weights? Those were still not determined.

  • emtemt Posts: 39
    Once I started buying cars listed on the CR recommended list, problems stopped. I have 1 sube and 2 toys. Zero problems, although my 93 sube is starting to leak oil..but hey, it has 100K on it, so I am not upset.
  • "True, but the 2.5T would have been used in the FXT, Baja Turbo and STi for a year.


    True, Ken, and I thought about that, but they do vary slightly across the different models, enough so that I would still like to see what happens for at least 6 months. I am tempted to buy the first one at my local dealer, but, of course, that's nuts.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The intercooler will be unique to the new models, this cross-flow design.

    The intake plenums also look unique. That plus the exhaust.

  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    2k Outback Limited. In the first 2 years it went back to the dealer for 13 problems and I believe 2 recalls. Thats not good. Then 2 years of no trouble and now its got 3 new problems (leaking headlight, visor fell off while driving, and leaky door seal again). Its also been recalled again for potential head gasket leak. I stil really like the car but I'm certainly glad I got the 7/100 warranty.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's pretty atypical.

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    I bought the first 1999 Impreza RS my dealer got... watched them roll it off the truck, test drove it (had already driven a '98), and stayed and haggled with the dealer until they Bowed Down and I left happy. :)

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Way to go. Did you already know that the 99 switched to Phase II?

  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    True, different iternations of the same motor. I'd really like to wait a couple of years, so issues like head gaskets can crop up--or not.

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    yep, I knew the SOHC engine was new & improved, the shift linkage was better... front end different.

    really I wanted more power. a lot more. but I liked the overall package enough to buy and had full intents on being one of the first to trade up to an Impreza turbo in a few years.

    ...and then the bugeye came along.

    no offense bugeyed owners!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    Over at nasioc, in the News & Rumors area, there's a thread listing all the new '05 colors.

  • eps105eps105 Posts: 216
    I was at the Philadelphia Flower Show yesterday, for which Subaru is a major sponsor. They had Subies on display smattered throughout the show floor. Two things caught my eye.

    First was that they had a new '05 LL Bean Outback on display. Doors unlocked and everything. Sweet car -- looks like a winner. I was happy to see steering wheel mounted audio controls. I was beginning to think Subaru was getting behind the times and left these out.

    But something else caused me to do a double-take -- they had an '04 Forester XT Prem on display, or at least I THOUGHT it was an '04!

    First some background: I have an '03 Forester XS Premium and my ONLY complaint with the whole gosh darn car is the quirky auto climate controls (and associated overzealous high fan speeds).

    So when I looked in this XT, I was pleased to see Subaru had COMPLETELY redesigned the climate controls, making the knobs deeper & easier to grip, and adding an AUTO mode on EACH knob in-line with the manual settings. That is, you can have the fan speed on Off, Auto, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 and the air output on AUTO, floor, mix, dash, dash + defog, or defog. (The separate defog button is gone.) And the knob now twists freely, rather than having to ratchet it one-twist-at-a-time when changing it manually.

    So today, when I was looking at pictures of '04 Foresters on-line, I noticed that the '04s have the SAME controls as the '03s. So I believe I witnessed an '05 Forester, or maybe an '04 1/2!!

    Does anybody else know anything about this? Did I miss something? Am I losing my mind?

    Now I'm kicking myself that I didn't look at it closer to see what other changes they made!! Ahh!

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