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Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • rob_mrob_m Somewhere North of BostonPosts: 795
    if we raise our children correctly, they will buy Subarus!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    in that most '06 Subies will be there. I doubt the Impreza will be there, as I believe that will be launched later in the summer. Plus, with the facelifted new Forester, tweaked Legacys/Outbacks and '06 Baja(?) being at NY, also introducing the facelifted Impreza would be a bad marketing move, in that one of those new vehicles will surely get the short end of all of the marketing "hoopla."

    Speaking of the Baja: I will be very curious to see if the '06 model model shows up—and if it shows up, what if any upgrades will it receive? If it shows up as the '05 model did, meaning no upgrades of any significance, to me that's a clear sign that this vehicle is headed for the graveyard. If, on the other hand, there are some mechanical and/or feature or content upgrades, to me that's a sign that the Baja has a future.

    My gut feeling is that Subaru, now that they've been down the (bumpy) path with the Baja, is trying to gauge how Baja owners like their vehicle. If after a few years of ownership, Baja owners would again consider a new, next-generation Baja, that could bode well for the future of this model line. If there is a small but loyal group of owners, that's something to build upon. Subaru should really ask these current Baja owners what they like and don't like about their vehicles, and go from there.

    Bob
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    Bob, I think it's a good strategy for Subaru to get feedback from current owners about the Baja. I think the Ridgeline is a good example of what Subaru should do if they plan to revive sales for the Baja. I'm not saying to potentially be a competitor of the Ridgeline but with market interest falling in these types of 'trucks', it is a good opportunity.

    I think Subaru should extend the Baja and raise it up some. Make it more utility and less 'car'. In all honesty, everyone knows it's just a chopped up Legacy wagon with some minor rear designs. People are not impressed. I know someone who was really interested in the Baja but then said, it's not big enough and looks like a open back wagon. - all true.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    and saw the Ridgeline. thought i was at a chevy dealer when i saw this smaller avalanche clone.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Swampy, your post was uncharacteristically long. ;)

    BTW, I drove a Ridgeline yesterday. You can see my report over in the TH test team thread if you're interested.

    And yes, you are correct, it does look much like a 7/8 scale Avalanche, only better. :)

    Bob
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    I doubt the Impreza will be there, as I believe that will be launched later in the summer.

    I don't think the Impreza will be there because they would debut it overseas before they would in N. America, IMO.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, let's get back on topic before Jon or Colin beat us with a stick!

    A future Baja? I dunno. I think I'd rather see two other vehicle types first - a large sedan and a minivan.

    Both have more potential. They could do a Big Baja but my guess is it would cost more than a Tribeca. A sedan and van could cost less.

    -juice
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Posts: 1,760
    sure wish that minivan was here now
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    can you post a link to your ridgeline review. True to form, Edmunds offers no easy way to navigate to the TH test team thread.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Same here swampy, especially if the price could come in lower than the Tribeca's.

    If you look, you can get a Sienna for less than a 5-seat 4-cylinder Highlander! Much better value IMO.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    I'll do it over in the Cafe.

    Bob
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    I always wondered why on earth did it have to have only 2 rear seatbelts? I was actually considering it until I noted it had only seated 4. Every other Subie comes equipped for 5. I know the pass-through has to be to blame, but surely they could have gotten around it. Did they squeeze down the rear seat width or something?
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    So do many dealers I think. Local guy says that when seven passenger plans were first revealed, many feel they were lead to believe it was going to be a minivan. According to him, many were also very disappointed when it wasn't. He echoed much of what's been said here. On the front lines they watch loyal customers go elsewhere when their vehicle needs drift towards a minivan.
    A thought to ponder is the fact that Subaru might not be here, and certainly wouldn't have the presence it does were it not for thousands of customers choosing NOT to buy an SUV. Instead they bought into the philosophy and marketing that a capable AWD wagon was the superior choice.

    Nicholas
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Baja has very little payload. 5 people and any cargo would overload it easily.

    -juice
  • jon_in_ctjon_in_ct Posts: 137
    From rsholland, "Subaru Crew - Future Models II" #16192, 5 Mar 2005 9:14 am
    NY should be interesting in that most '06 Subies will be there. I doubt the Impreza will be there, as I believe that will be launched later in the summer. Plus, with the facelifted new Forester, tweaked Legacys/Outbacks and '06 Baja(?) being at NY, also introducing the facelifted Impreza would be a bad marketing move, in that one of those new vehicles will surely get the short end of all of the marketing "hoopla."
    The NY Auto Show has been the venue for at least one Impreza World Premier (see the Wayback Machine). OK, maybe it was a "limited production" Impreza strictly for North America. But I see no reason why NY couldn't be the site for the World Premier of the 2006 Impreza 2.5 WRX.

    Given that FHI chose not to introduce anything new at either Chicago or Geneva, I think there's an excellent chance SOA'll storm into the Javits Center with all guns blazing, with a mass premier of their entire remaining North American 2006 lineup - Forester, Impreza, Legacy, Outback (and maybe Baja). If people thought the Tribeca's premier in Detroit was "well attended" by the press, imagine the commotion such an outlandish idea would cause at New York, given that most of the press who weren't at Detroit will also want to see the already-premiered Tribeca for themselves, anyway.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,595
    If people thought the Tribeca's premier in Detroit was "well attended" by the press, imagine the commotion such an outlandish idea would cause at New York, given that most of the press who weren't at Detroit will also want to see the already-premiered Tribeca for themselves, anyway.

    Bob - Detroit is THE auto show event in North America, perhaps the world. If the press wasn't in Detroit, I doubt they'd be in New York.

    But that doesn't mean that Subaru shouldn't use New York as a large opportunity for a new introduction. NY is still an important show.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    jon: link doesn't work for me?

    I agree that especially if the 2.5T engine in the WRX is unique to the USA, that NY would be the ideal place. Really the last big US show this year.

    Well, LA is moving up, to November, but it might be for sale by then.

    SEMA is also November, and that would be an interesting place to debut a new tunable engine. But they could do NY and then SEMA as well.

    Subaru scheduled a press release for NY, so they definitely have big news.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Bob - Detroit is THE auto show event in North America, perhaps the world. If the press wasn't in Detroit, I doubt they'd be in New York.

    I think you mean Jon. :)

    Actually Jon has a point. Maybe they will do a really big splash at NY. I hope so.

    As to Detroit, well SOA wanted 100% of the attention to be on the B9 Tribeca, so I can see their logic there.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I hope they show the new Forester, the new Impreza engine, several new 6 speed models, *and* announce Tribeca prices.

    -juice
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