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Subaru Crew - Future Models II



  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    I don't know if I'd like a turbo engine. I don't want to be forced to use premium gas. I'm not a car performance enthusist and don't want to have to do the extra maintenance for a turbo engine. I have a Toyota and cross-shopping the Forester.
    Ross, agree with you. Hope they also keep an eye on pricing as well.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Even if they offer a turbo, the 2.5l will still be the standard engine, I'm sure.

  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Kate: In general, yes. The paint jobs on the '00-01 Legacies I've seen is smoother and has less orange peel than that on Foresters and Imprezas, including the new WRXes. I don't know if they're more chip resistant.

    juice et al.: I picked up the latest copy of evo magazine a couple of weeks ago that stated that the '02 Forester S Turbos were getting bumped up to 175bhp. I'll have to scrounge that up when I get a chance for the details.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    At the car show, the Lancer, showed it will only be availble in FWD, even the OZ Ralley Edition, what's up with that? I thought the Lancers were AWD?

  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    No, only the EVO version which is rumored to be coming Stateside in a couple of years.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The plain Lancer is basically the same Mirage we've had here, with FWD.

    The OZ edition is pure aesthetics, no substance.

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Although I'd like to see the 2.0L turbo (or even better, a turbo 2.5L) in the next generation Forester, I think that Subaru will go with the H-6 instead. As Mike said, the larger displacement better fits the "SUV" image.

    I also agree with Kate that it's high time for some preliminary design sketches/photos/info to start appearing. If we don't see something soon, it will probably mean that the 2003 will be delayed beyond the expected 1st qtr introduction.

    -Frank P.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    do you think will be released first? The '03 Forester, or the STX pickup?

    My guess is that the Forester will come first. I think we will get it next March. I think the STX will be introduced at the Detroit Auto Show in January, and will hit the showrooms in the summer.

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    I think the STX will arrive first.

  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,264
    don't think it'll appear any time before Q3 in 2002...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My guess is Forester first. I basically agree with Bob's predicted time table.

    Remember, the Impreza platform is already ready, while the ST-X is awaiting a new engine.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    The new plant that will make the ST-X engines won't even be finished until 1st qtr '02. Wonder if that will have anything to do with it.
    I say late spring/early summer 02 for the Forester and late summer for the STX. Where do we place our bets? :)
  • armac13armac13 Posts: 1,129
    what is your reasoning behind your prediction?

  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,264
    a) no concepts, no sketches, no pix, not even a clue of how new 2003 Forester will look
    b) Patti just recently was collecting our wishlists for 2003 which seems too late for a vehicle scheduled to appear in Q1 of 2002.
    c) similarity with Loyale's replacement: although official statements had it that 1993 is the last year of Loyale's production, wagon 4WD version dragged into 1994, and only after that they started retooling for the Forester which appeared in 1997.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    SoA got smacked with the WRX launch. Their site was famous for being hacked by i Clubbers, and info leaked out all over the place. So now they are being more careful. Plus, the Forester sells well but doesn't get attention like a WRX does.

    Patti may not even know about the next Forester. The home market may be keeping what they know under wraps. She's doing her job (and well) in continously gathering feedback, plus that could affect some of the packaging of options.

    Finally, there has been a pattern of early intros, from the 2001 Forester (remember we thought it might be a 2000.5?) and the 2002 Impreza.

    That's my reasoning, FWIW. My guess is we'll see spy pix in the summer, taken in Japan.

  • FrankMcFrankMc Posts: 228
    vehicle introductions, they had examples of the AWD Aztec being introduced without AWD availability etc. I think Subaru had a pretty good launch of the WRX, they leaked enough details to keep interest up, but not too soon that the car was "old news" when it showed up. I think that they know what they are doing on this.

    Ford also got bashed on its Explorer launch (no V8's to start) and the highly touted Ford Thunderbird launch (that is delayed again... old news?)

  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,264
    I think spy pix of new WRX showed up waay before iclubbers invaded SoA site...
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    My guess is the Forester first too.

    The ST-X was supposed to get a supercharged EJ25, but Rimmer went out of business (I think). Although we've seen concept vehicles, SOA is facing a major contingency in a new product's development. If I were them, I'd get it right before bringing it to market. There's probably more risk to market share by botching the intro vs. delaying it some.

    On the other hand, the Forester is a proven seller. Despite the face lift, it's becoming a bit dated in light of the competition. Here, schedule is probably more crucial.

    In regards to the WRX, the i-clubbers did know well in advance what the new model looked like, but there was some question as if the US model was going to be the same -- that whole debated about the headlights being different. My point being there was some value into securing the New Impreza webpage. :)

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    Rick Rimmer had nothing to do with the STX's supercharged EJ25. It was a one-off piece done by a tuner based in the Detroit area, I can't recall their name. (It is probably in one of the original ST-X releases.)

    I've heard--no fact, just rumor--that the engine did not run well but obviously that would be resolved for a production car. GM has plenty of supercharging experience. ;)

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