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Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,526
    Just my opinion, and I don't want to start an argument, but I think Chrysler ruined the Jeep in every form.

    The mid 70s were the coolest, IMO. I had 2 of them at one point. Great lines, mean looking grille, and the monster 360 engine with the biggest 2 barrell carbureteur I've ever seen. That was a beast of a vehicle. Take a look on Ebay and you can see some decent pics of a few.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    A lot of things got ruined in the 80s or at the end of the 80s. :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Jeep needs a hit. The Cherokee was ancient. The Grand Cherokee had some serious quality glitches that hurt dealer/customer relations, and sales are down.

    The Wrangler was the sole shining star, so the Liberty may be the one to save Jeep.

    I really don't see their lineup as overlapping with Subaru's. In fact, it would surprise me to see people cross shop a Liberty with a Forester, because they are so inherently different.

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Bob,

    That's hillarious. I guess you can say that the early Jeeps didn't know it's head from it's [non-permissible content removed]. ;-)

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    casual cross-shopping?

    I agree, they are two really different animals. Although Jeep marketers I'm sure will do their best to guide Forester shoppers into Jeep dealerships. They are, after all, going after the cute-ute market with this vehicle, as well as the off-roaders.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I noticed Fitz does not have any Limiteds in their on-line inventory. They are all Sports priced in the low $20s. That means many of them are going to be fairly stripped down.

    -juice
  • francophilefrancophile Posts: 667
    Might have boxy looks, paisan, but I don't think you'd like its interior dimensions. The front seats are tolerable but the back seat is awful. The seat cushion is about 3" off the floor and anyone over 4 feet tall ends up eating their kneecaps. No headroom either. Stick with your Trooper!

    Cheers,
    -wdb
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Not trading it in just yet. I'd only consider the older 2-door models because the back seat is almost useless except for kids.

    -mike
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    The 2-door model is what I had and for the exact reason Mike mentioned. In fact, I usually left the back seat down. I'll always have a fond spot for the Cherokee. Maybe I was lucky but mine treated me very well and was virtually trouble free.

    I saw my first Liberty (briefly) last weekend. I really liked the looks of it. All indications are that it's going to be a big seller for DC if they can avoid QC problems. I'll have to sneak out to Jeep dealership for a test drive sometime.

    -Frank P.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    on the new CRV is starting to arrive. The link from Honda is just a teaser. It does link up to some detail images of the headlights, taillights and rear door.

    Like SOJ, it's mostly in Japanese. Ken can you translate.

    The following is my post over at the CRV forum with the link:

    rsholland "Honda CR-V" Aug 1, 2001 8:54am

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I liked the Liberty. Best truck in the small SUV class, IMO, far better than the XTerra.

    I still prefer car-based ones like the Forester, though.

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Bob,

    Very little info on that site. Just some vague comments about new sharp styling, class-leading cargo space and something about a "G-Control" saftey device (stability control?).

    Looks like they're keeping the overall shape of the CR-V -- just a little less boxy.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    Yep, a real teaser. Just enough info to peak your interest, without really telling you anything.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They look fine on the new CR-V, but this trend is getting a bit much on some cars. The Celica may have started it, though I think the big Benz coupes had them first.

    Pretty soon, the headlights will be pulled back so far, and the taillights pulled so far forward, that the two will meet! :D

    -juice
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Posts: 640
    On the Yahoo Legacy B4 chat group (which I lurk in), the Australian folks are starting to see them trickle into Perth, etc. Does anyone know what the conversion rate for Australian to US dollars is? They are being quoted $55k Australian. I am starting a search right now. I realize that it may be comapring apples and oranges, but it would be a rough estimate. I'm still sticking to my original hunch that we are looking at 40k here in the states. Twin turbo, at least 250hp, there aren't any cars that can boast that kind of performance under 40k. But I'm still saving my money.

    Jim
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Posts: 640
    I may end up eating my words. I get a little UNDER 28k! I will buy two.

    Jim
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,526
    When we can't even get an H6 for under that, I think you can pretty much forget that $28K number.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, but the H6 hasn't sold as well as the WRX. Impreza sales are up 222% while Legacy sales are flat, despite the new engine.

    Before the WRX came out, price estimates were in the $25k to $28k range, so the low price was a pleasant surprise. Let's hope it'll be the same way with the B4 - $28k to $30k or so.

    It could be if it's not packaged with leather, climate control, CD changer (single CD is OK), etc. Give me the same equipment level offered in the WRX, just add a moonroof option, and my wife will be driving one.

    -juice
  • rochcomrochcom Posts: 247
    I haven't seen one, but it may just be a big seller even if Quality Control at D/C is awful. The Grand Cherokee was a top seller even when it had absolutely the worst frequency of repair record in Consumer Reports. And it sold to people who read such things.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, but eventually that caught up to them. Grand Cherokee sales are kind of flat, down even.

    -juice
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Almost all Full and mid size SUV sales are down Also the JGC is overdue for an update. When they get new product, sales should go up again. Toyota Rav4 sales have rebounded nicely with the redesign. It is very hard to sell old product at the end of it's cycle, most people hold off until the new product becomes available. Ford is running into this with the F150, present design is from 96 (sold as 97's), GM's 1500 are freshened designs.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Agreed. JGC has lost market share, though.

    Forester outsold the RAV4 last year, IIRC, maybe they did bounce back.

    There is much more competition now, even though there are far more buyers, too.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    quote:Yeah, but the H6 hasn't sold as well as the WRX. Impreza sales are up 222% while Legacy sales are flat, despite the new engine.

    Yeah, but in 1999 there were a bit under 11,000 total Impreza sales. Whoopdeedoo. It's not hard to sell 222% more when you're selling hardly any initially... now just think what would have been if they had brought the Impreza turbo over in 1993 instead of dinking with the SVX.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Dinking with the SVX???? The SVX is way better than the WRX is!

    I have to agree though 222% increase over nil is not a great big jump, not to mention that they have spent $M in advertising the WRX. I've never seen so many car commercials from a manufacturer before, certainly not from a non-major brand.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually, I don't think they would have had the same success that they are having today. Why? Mostly because AWD is trendy now, and it wasn't then.

    In a way, their timing worked out. They had turbos back then in the Legacy, and before that in the GLs, and that wasn't enough.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Jeff makes a good point about the Liberty's potential for big sales regardless of DC's QC. Ford's Escape is an excellent example of the herd mentality of buyers willing to plunk down good money for a product of questionable reliability.

    -Frank P.
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