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  • GuyPGuyP Posts: 50
    pete,

    i totally agree with the carlady. you should know what you want out of your next car and what you really need it to be.

    what ever you decide, a VW Golf will not be the car for everybody. in the U.S., i commonly hear people say that VWs are unreliable cars that break down and little things fall off or malfunction. and there has been a history of this in the recent past. but other car manufacturers have problems also. for example, older hondas have front and rear lights that take in water after a few years. soon enough, your light will start looking like a fish tank! my old toyota corolla had roof leakage problems off the bat, and now the center console instrumentation lighting doesn't turn on unless you slap the dashboard really hard. my friend owns an automatic honda accord (2 models previous the current one) whose engine occassionally shuts down on him as he drives on the road. sometimes the RPM would eradically soar and then drop down again without being provoked.

    what i am trying to say is that many car companies have problems that eventually get worked out. VW, i believe, has made a really strong comeback, not just in U.S. presence but more importantly in reliability, quality, value, and build integrity.
    the current A3 generation VWs are solid cars. the A4 VWs and Passat may be even better!

    i own a '97 Golf GTI and i have no complaints. i love my VW! my brother has a '98 Passat and it's everything we expect it to be. best wishes on finding your car. let me know how it goes.

    Guy
  • Does anyone know what the logic behind the distribution of GTIs is? Apparently dealers in Virginia and Texas are receiving them (based on posts to this conference), but one of the local dealers here in Southern California claims that they're not scheduled to get the new GTIs until mid-2000!

    Is this something to do with ports of entry, or your generic mis-informed dealer?

    Needless to say, I will be checking with the other VW dealers in the area...
  • pure911pure911 Posts: 40
    does anyone know if the new GTI VR6 will actually handle well? the Golf 3 chassis VR6 was blamed for not be a good handler...anyone have a clue how the new car is...
  • drewrdrewr Posts: 7
    I have driven a new GTI VR6. Significant improvements have been made in every area and -to myself at least - the price increase is justified.

    Structural rigidity is drastically increased, along with build quality (I have held off replacing my Corrado with a Mexican GTI - I'm glad I waited). Essentially, this car handles and accelerates just like an A-4 2.8 (no more nose dives,excessive body roll, and high level of interior road noise that plagued the Golf IIIs).

    While 22k seems steep, this car will deliver almost every thing that the upcoming Audi TT coupe will for 10 grand less. New luxury additions include walnut interior trim, an electronic climate control sytem, heated seats with lumbar support (which were dropped in '98 in the GTI).

    Volkswagen has definitely moved upscale - but this offering would not have survived if they hadn't. There is simply no market for low-end hatchbacks with high-end engines/equipment. Sales of less than 3,500 over the last three years bear that out.

    ps The GTI VR6 may never be available in California. Like the Toyota Supra, California's emissions requirements necessitate VW Ag developing a solution just for this vehicle (and it may not be worth it) Remember, unlike the Jetta, this is a vehicle produced within and targeted primarily to the European market. If you made business decisions for VW, would you spend tens of million of dollars to re-tool a line without being assured of recouping that investement?
  • re: #193

    VR6 not available in California? That would suck. The dealer I talked to didn't mention anything when I mentioned I wanted the VR6 GTI and not the GLS with the 4-banger (which just arrived at their lot). Of course this is the same dealer who said they weren't expecting GTIs of any sort in till mid-2000.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,096
    As for lights on Hondas, out of a 1990 CRX Si and a 1991 Civic Si, the CRX had a headlight with some condensation. About ten minutes and a can of compressed air took care of it. That car held a four drawer filing cabinet in the box with the hatch closed!

    I don't know what Clapp VW in Indiana has available, but they had an ad in the paper today for "$99 over invoice* (* Beetle and Passat not included)--in stock vehicles only." The ad showed a picture of the 1999 Jetta GLX--AFAIK there are not any GLX's yet except for the press fleet. Maybe they don't have any New Golfs/GTIs or New Jettas in stock?
  • I have been told that the GTI vr 6s will be available out here in California within a week.
    Are they sluggish when compared with the lighter 98 models, or merely better constructed
    with the new rigidity etc.I guess only a person who has driven both can remark on this.
  • holahola Posts: 9
    Well, a comparison test in Road and Track between the new GTi GLX (what a name full of letters!)
    and the new Civic Si, listed a 0-60 time of 6.8 seconds. This would definitely make it atleast as fast as the previous model.
  • yeah what's with the name...GLX????


    why change GTI VR6??? It has the same charm as driving an M3 over a regular 3 series BMW. The enthusiast will notice the small touches that distinguish the high performance model from the normal car...
  • My '97 GTI lease is up next month, and I loved the car except for in the snow. After driving my new 300M with traction control, I realized how dicey the VW is. What VW do I need to buy in order to get traction control. I heard it only comes on VR6 GTIs. Local dealer will have a new one in about a month. How's that for timing? Does anyone out there have snow experience with a new VW with traction control?
  • lucien2lucien2 Posts: 2,984
    Passat or, I think, New Beetle. Definitely standard on Passat though. And then there is the possibility of a Passat AWD wagon....
  • holahola Posts: 9
    Yeah, I drove my VR6 in the snow this winter (I live in Northern Utah). I didn't have any problems with it! When I would give a little too much gas it wouldn't let me spin out. The overall system works superbly--though you can hear it kick in.
  • herndonherndon Posts: 1
    Just wanted to post my experience with a 95 GTI VR6 that I purchased new. I no longer own the car and will give my explaination why. Many of you have asked about the reliability of these vehicles. First of all, the door locks are poorly designed and WILL freeze during extreme cold weather here in the Northeast United States. I thought maybe it was just me, but both of my brother-in-laws own jetta's (95 & 96 models) that have experienced the same problem. Very annoying and inconvenient oversight on VW's part. I've owned many cars in my life and NEVER did the locks freeze on any of them...no matter how cold it got.

    Second of all, my particular car had alot of squeeks and rattles. It was assembled in Mexico and for VW's sake I hope the build quality of these vehicles will improve now that production has been moved back to Germany as one poster noted. These of course were minor annoyances compared to the kickers that eventually led to my getting rid of the car.

    The A/C died after only one summer's use. Because of the miles I drive and the timing of my purchase, I was about two years into the warranty period and about 60,000 miles. Because of the miles I was told by not only the dealer, but VW North America that there was nothing they could do for me. They wanted about $ 1,100.00 to "hopefully" fix the problem. At the same time the ABS light came on and would not go out. This "problem" was diagnosed as a bad instrument cluster and according to the dealer needed to be replaced. The cost for this repair...$ 1,500.00.
    So, here is a car about two years old with 60,000
    miles needing about $ 2,600.00 worth of repairs. I went ballistic and called VW North America to discuss any assistance that they might be able to offer. I was flatly told "Sorry, we can't help you". So I wrote a letter to the President of VW North America, describing the dissatisfaction I had with not only his product, but also his customer service division. I explained to him that this was the first VW I had owned and that it very well could be my last if this GTT VR6 was any indication of how reliable I could expect their products to be and if the way I was being treated by their customer service personnel was also "routine". He didn't even send a personnal reply. Just a "too bad but there's nothing we can do because you are out of warranty" form letter from one of his underlings. Even the dealer thought this was a bogus response from VW. He agreed with me that a maintained vehicle of my GTI's age, mileage or no mileage, should not have the types of problems mine was having. They were obviously factory defects that should have been rectified by
    VW.

    Since my poor experience with VW I have voiced my disappointment with others and have found that
    many people are very satisfied with their VW's.
    From my two brother-in-law's to the folks here at work. Maybe I just got a bad one, but I thought that VW would at least be a little more aggressive in resolving the issues I had with the car. At this point I would definately be gun shy about owning another VW - which is a shame, because If my GTI experience were a better one I'd have considered any one of the new golfs, jettas or passats...instead I went with a japanese product.


    Jim
  • pure911pure911 Posts: 40
    I am interested in the new 99 GTI VR6. I'm wondering, has anyone experienced buying one? has anyone been able to lower the price from its 22,000 MSRP. The dealer says there is low volume and the price cant be lowered much. Well the Invoice according th edmunds is around 19,500...I could live with 20,500.
  • pure911pure911 Posts: 40
    I am currently comparing this car to the Civic Si...I liked the Si but then I saw the GTI VR6, which was amazing. The interior looks and feels like an Audi...I couldn't test drive it though because the only one they had was in the dealer showroom...I would put an offer in for it, but it is that weird mustard yellow color...
  • notch64notch64 Posts: 2
    I am currently looking for a Golf GTI VR6. This is
    one hot car. In SoCal they are hard to find. In
    fact no dealer has one yet. The dealers here will
    only deal at the window price. Not sure why VW
    does not put the 1.8 Turbo into say a GTI GLS
    model. Think it would sell. Anyways I have left
    my name and number with numerous dealers here to
    call me when they smell a GTI VR6 come in.
  • ottooottoo Posts: 3
    I'm not sure why VW is running full page print ads and now TV ads on the New Golf--the damn car is impossible to find, at least in California. Every dealer wants sticker if they have one at all, I am waiting for someone to tell me they need $1000 over sticker! With all the bad press that VW received over price gouging with the new BEETLE, you'd think they would be a bit more sensitive to this issue. I do like the Golf and would like to get one, but I am getting a bad taste in my mouth.
  • gettoitgettoit Posts: 3
    Ottoo, Here in New York there seems to be a good supply of Golfs, except for the GTI VR6 -- but even those are available. Each of the three dealers I've visited in the past couple of weeks has had a few GL and GLS Golfs, and two of the three had both a 4-cyl and VR6 GTI.

    So I've driven them all, and now have a deposit down on a black/black VR6. My experience, by the way, is that you can get a *little* off MSRP!
  • pure911pure911 Posts: 40
    which dealers in New York had the GTI VR6....
  • gettoitgettoit Posts: 3
    911, as of last weekend there was a silver VR6 at Donaldson's in Sayville -- the second one I've seen there, the other was sold a couple of weeks ago. They also had a Cosmic Green 4-cylinder.

    The other one I saw on Long Island has also been sold. Certainly these aren't spending much time on the lots; my point was that they are coming into the dealers so you should be able to find one. I guess, judging by the comments from other parts of the country, that we're lucky here!
  • rdeschenerdeschene Posts: 318
    ottoo. Fact of the matter is, VW as a corporation is well-served by having vehicles in high demand and their dealers able to charge full MSRP. What possible incentive would they have to REDUCE demand and profit?

    It's cold, it's purely economics, but that's life in a (almost) free-market economy. I'm not aware of anyone who was literally FORCED to pay a premium on the early Miata, or early Beetle or whatever...all of these buyers had the choice to just walk away.
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    I saw one in Washington, DC the other day. It looked way cool and you're right, pure911, that yellow/mustard is icky. :-)

    carlady/host
  • pure911pure911 Posts: 40
    gettoit,

    where is "Donaldson's in Sayville"? What area|town?
  • trantitranti Posts: 51
    My car is VW Golf 97. The problem is when I accelerate at speed 60 to 70 mph, I hear a soft noise voooooo... ,but when I de-accelerate, the noise is gone. At other speed, like 80 mph, I don't hear the noise.
    I took my car to the dealer 2 times. They changed vacuum hose and then differential oil. The problem is still there.
    Is any one with that problem? Please tell me or give me some advice. I will appreciate.
  • hkbryanhkbryan Posts: 2
    I have a 95 GTI that I'm THINKING of selling.
    It's in great shape (minus two 1" dia dents in passenger door and tiny tiny paint missing on the bumpers) and I'm hoping to get 10k-11k as a trade-in. It's got everything including leather seats and a six disc changer.

    I'm I fooling my self by thinking I can get this price?
    By the way, mileage is 46,300.

    Edmund's used car says 10,300(Trade-in), that's without the six disc changer and leather.

    Kelley's blue book says ~11,700 (wholesale).

    I'd like to get as much as I can.
  • gettoitgettoit Posts: 3
    Pure 911, Donaldson's is, surprisingly enough, in Sayville NY. That's Suffolk County, on the south shore of Long Island.
  • pure911pure911 Posts: 40
  • pnc1pnc1 Posts: 2
    I have just read past inputs and I have seen people tell of putting in orders for the GTI GLX. My local Southern California dealers and VW USA told me that I would be unable to place a special order. VW's are made in Germany and it would take at least six months before any arrive anyway. I was told to just search dealers for their stock. By the way, I'm looking for that icky Futura Yellow color.
  • pnc1 --

    Odd. The one VW dealer I talked to in Southern California said I should special order the GTI GLX if I wanted to see one any time soon. Perhaps all he wanted was my refundable deposit? I declined, since all I really want to do is test drive the vehicle.

    I haven't seen a GTI GLX on a VW lot yet.
  • pnc1pnc1 Posts: 2
    I got some more information regarding the "special order". A deposit must be left with the dealership and then you are "top of the list" to receive the closest thing to what you want that the dealer would normally get. Not very "special" at all. I found a dealership owner that is trying to work a deal to have what I want redirected his way. He said the reason all the east coast dealers are getting the cars is because they put in orders last year. all the west coast dealers (except him, of course) were shying away from the "strange colors" and made little or no orders. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress.
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