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VW Golf vs Honda Civic



  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Eeeek, don't let me ruin anything for you, Hfitz! I'll be out on my ear! :-)

    BNormann is right, one swallow does not a summer make. But then, he's always right! ;-)

    As for tips on bargaining with dealers, boullosa, why not try our Consumer Advice area for excellent information about how to deal with your dealer when you want a great deal! The time you take to read this material will be well worth it when you see the results in your pocket.

    Keep us posted!
  • HFitzHFitz Posts: 13
    I had offers of car at invoice plus destination on both Civic and Golf. Probably a good time to deal on a Golf 'cause of Beetle fever!
  • zfarmzfarm Posts: 5
    I've owned three Hondas, all excellent (150,000 plus miles with no problems)

    "Bad" Hondas? Sounds like GM (or VW) propaganda to me!!! Maybe that "person" that you "met" at the VW dealership was the owner's wife?!!

    Again: Hondas = excellence, VW's = Mexican-made "quality". If you want German quality, buy a BMW.
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Well, she looked a bit young to be anybody's wife. :-) Still, the car that is right for you is the one to buy! What's good for the gander isn't necessarily good for the goose!

  • infoinfo Posts: 5
    I would like to say hello to everybody out there and say what a useful resource you guys and gals are throwing my way. I too am looking at either the VW Golf vs the Honda Civic hatchback. Can anyone out there tell me what engines will be coming in on the new Golfs? Would it be worth the wait? Will the new Golfs be more expensive or the same? Which is the safer of the two cars( crash test;frontal and side)?

    I would like to hear some feedback from anyone out there that can guide me in the right direction.

    Thank you for your time.
  • DanaRDanaR Posts: 37
    I have the sales brochure for the 98 Golf IV (printed in Dutch) in front of me and here are the engines offered in Europe: 1.4 liters (75 hp), 1.6 liters (100 hp), 1.8 liter 5 valve (125 hp), 1.8 liter 5 valve turbo (150 hp), 2.3 liter V5 (150 hp), (and two diesel engines). My guess is that both 1.8's and the 2.3 V5 will be offered in the US. I would also expect the '99 Golfs to do well in crash tests, as safety is now a high priority to VW. The NB just scored the highest rating and I'd expect the Golf to follow suit. The brochure shows pictures on the safety of the car. I can't read Dutch but it sounds as if the safety is really touted.
    - Dana
  • bnormannbnormann Posts: 335
    I would expect VW to continue offering the 2.8 liter VR6 in the US. There are strange tax laws in Europe and the UK that are based on the size of the engine. Turbo, supercharged or not doesn't make a difference to the tax authorities.
    So, the rationale for the 2.3 liter VR5 doesn't hold true in the US. In fact, just the opposite is true here.

    Apparently, the VR5 is aimed at the touring crowd, with a little more refinement offered, compared to the turbo 4, which is aimed at the performance crowd.

    I can't imagine upper management agreeing to produce two engines with the same power for one platform. Seems like a lot of extra effort. Maybe there is not enough plant capacity to produce the 5-valve, 4cyl engines to meet ALL the demand (Golf, Jetta, Beetle, Passat, Audi A4, A3)

    Bruce. Roving host.
  • infoinfo Posts: 5
    Dana and Bruce I thank you for taking the time to get back to me so quickly. If either of you can advice me on whether too buy now or wait for the new one it would be appreciated( what would be the pros and cons and difference in price$$$)

    Thanks again
    R. Perez
  • bnormannbnormann Posts: 335
    R Perez,

    I will qualify my remarks by stating: I bought my beloved '91 Honda CRX in October 1991 after it was discontinued and I only paid $8300. It was the best deal I ever made on a car. Carlady and I bought a '96 Golf via Auto-By-Tel and it was PAINLESS, a wonderful experience.
    BUT... nothing beats the experience of walking out of a dealership and being able to truthfully say: "I WON!!!" Theres a lot of blood, sweat and tears involved, but I'm glad I did it once... BTW, it was only possible after reading and adhering to the great advice here on the Edmunds site.

    So, you choose: "latest and greatest, at a price" or "last year's news for bargain prices". OBTW, SAAB lovers are experiencing this exact quandry right now. You can get a very nice '98 SAAB 900 for $20k. It's a great deal, BUT you don't get all the 200-odd improvements in the 9-3.

    Bruce. your roving host.
  • ghoshghosh Posts: 17
    I just bought a Civic DX hatchback for my
    daily commute.I considered the Golf, but
    the Civic's higher safety rating convinced me.
    Why do Edmunds' editors say under cons for
    the Honda:
    "Boy this thing looks strange"
    Is that what everybody thinks?
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Well, I'd have to say I agree with that characterization. I looked at the Civic when I was in the market for a new car. The "strange look" of the car wasn't what put me off in the end but it did give me pause... But if it works for you, who cares what it looks like?

  • RojareynRojareyn Posts: 7

    Yes, I'm one of the masses that thinks the current-generation Civic's look "weird." It seems shaped awkwardly to my eyes and I can't say I like the new Civic dash. I'm currently puttering around in a '94 Hatchback on loan from my parents and I personally like the shape/styling of that car better than the current generation.

    I've also heard that a lot of consumers complained the 92 -> 95 generation Civic was too "sporty"

  • ghoshghosh Posts: 17
    I do care if others think the car is weird.
    That means my resale value is heading south...
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Don't worry ghosh, you just have to find *one* person who doesn't think it's weird. :-)

    Hmmm, if resale is that important to you, have you done any comparisons of resale value of the Golf v. Civic? I suppose it depends on how long you think you might own the car. You can check this link for Edmunds Used Price Guide for all makes and see how the two (and others) compare.

    Of course, you may want to take into consideration the ol' mutual funds disclaimer: past performance is no prediction of future profits! ;-)

  • ioilamioilam Posts: 1
    I'm selling my 86 Golf (120,000mi) and buying a 98 Civic DX. My wife has a 97 Civic LX sedan.

    The Civic has less torque than the VW (even my 12 year old one) so if you're looking for fun, you probably want the VW. So why do I choose to buy a Civic this time? Well, fun is not everything. A Golf may bring you 0.5 sec faster 0-60, but it will also slow you down for 3 hours, stuck in a repair shop while you have other more fun stuff to do.
  • devtabdevtab Posts: 1
    I purchased a Golf III 5 spd new in '94. I have absolutely loved the car. Haven't had a single problem with the car, currently have 57,000 miles on it. I'm looking forward to driving it until it is out of warranty. The 10 yr. 100,000 mile powertrain warranty is hard to beat. I did have a little hole that developed on the shifter boot which the dealer replaced with zero hassle. They take that 2 yr. 24,000 mile "everything" warranty seriously. My brother purchased a 94 Honda DX hatchback. He has been happy with the car and found it very reliable too, but he much prefers my Golf. He thinks it has a more "expensive feel" and is tons more fun to drive. I must say I agree. All the utility of a hatch and VW still managed to make 115hp fun!
  • OriSharirOriSharir Posts: 3
    My head is spinning! I thought I was truly decided on the Golf until I heard all the Civic owners' point of view. Now I'm more confused than ever.

    I'm still unsure about waiting for the '99 Golfs. When are they due out in the U.S. and are they worth the wait? My sad little 10 year old (1988) Ford Escort is deteriorating as I speak.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
  • stryjstryj Posts: 2
    I too was undecided about the Honda DX or the VW Golf. Biggest factor for me deciding to buy the Golf was after the test drive. I felt more in control with the Golf. The 10yr/100,000 warranty ain't bad either

    Have had the car three months and can't find anything I do not like!
  • JFrankJFrank Posts: 2
    What's the word on automatic transmission Golfs?

    I love the Golf, but don't want a stick (San Francisco hills)
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    I have a 1996 Golf with automatic transmission and it's been terrific! My only complaint at first was that the mileage was so bad -- worse than the 1987 Golf I traded in! They said that once the car was broken in (6,000 miles plus) it would be fine. I thought they were telling me that just to pacify me but sure enough, I get good mileage now.

    Most of my miles are city driving so I really appreciate not having to deal with the stick. I can't imagine driving in San Francisco without an automatic. Not for me! :-)

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